Hi, I have had my Superb Sportline for just over a month now and loving it. 

 

I have a question that I’m sure someone on here will know. When get in the car and drive the display for the gear shows as D1 (or whatever gear am in). The display on the Columbus shows the last selected drive mode, eg sport. If press driving mode button and select sport the display then changes to S1. 

 

Is this normal and correct?

Edited 7 December, 20187 yr by steverob55

Yes.

 

Can also switch between normal and sport by rocking the shifter rearwards when in "D", rocking again will go back to normal.  

 

Selecting individual mode, rather than comfort/sport/normal/eco and then setting drive to eco will leave it in that mode even after restarts, selected not stop start mode.

In the Individual mode, the following menu items can be set.

• DCC: - Set the shock characteristics

• Steering: - Set the power steering characteristics

• Drive: - set the drive characteristics

• ACC: - Set the vehicle acceleration when adaptive cruise control is activated

• Dynamic cornering light: - Set the characteristics of the Xenon headlights

• Air conditioning: - Set the Climatronic characteristics

• Reset mode - Setting for all menu items in the Individual mode to Normal

  ■ Cancel - Keep the current settings
  ■ Reset - cancels all menu items in the Normal mode

Sport gearing can again be selected by rocking back and normal gearing by rocking left.  If you have paddles these will override into drive mode.  

Drive profile is about throttle, suspension, steering, and other things but not gearbox.

D or S, are exclusively about the gearbox mode (how long to hold each gear and how quick to shift).

The two are independent. You can choose to be in the Sport drive profile with the  gearbox in D or you can be in the Comfort drive profile with the gearbox in S mode.

Just one thing to notice:

Changing the gearbox mode does not affect any other settings (ie. does not change the selected drive profile).
Changing the drive profile to Sport though WILL automatically change your gearbox to S mode too. It's supposing that if you drive in Sport you also want to use gearbox in S mode  you can undo this and go back to D by rocking the shifter rearwards while staying in Sport drive profile.

So, both scenarios are normal, Sport profile + S 'box mode or Sport profile + D 'box mode, you can choose freely. It's just this silly "initiative" of the car changing your 'box mode to S every time you choose Sport drive profile that's confusing people in every single VAG forum (when it's their first car with those options).

Edited 8 December, 20187 yr by newbie69

Not all confusing:

 

By selecting the driving mode, the driving behaviour can be adapted to the de- sired mode of operation. the following modes Eco. Comfort. normal. Sports and individualare available.

The mode Comfort is only available on vehicles with adaptive chassis control (DCC).

Mode Sports

This mode is suitable for a sporty driving.
Selecting this mode primarily affects the function of the following systems.

DCC
The DCC adjusts the chassis for the sporty driving style.

Steering
The power steering is reduced slightly, i.e., the driver needs to exert more force for steering .

Drive
The vehicle acceleration is more dynamic than in Normal mode.

Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
The acceleration is quicker than in Normal mode with distance control

Xenon headlight
The headlamps adapt to the driving style more dynamically than in mode Normal.

ProActive passenger protection
The first level of protection is deactivated.

 

But why would you select SPORT mode and then deselect the drive by using the gear stick? If you do not want sport tailor Ind Mode to suit, that's why I highlighted the options for that mode.

6 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Drive profile is about throttle, suspension, steering, and other things but not gearbox.

D or S, are exclusively about the gearbox mode (how long to hold each gear and how quick to shift).

The two are independent. You can choose to be in the Sport drive profile with the  gearbox in D or you can be in the Comfort drive profile with the gearbox in S mode.

Just one thing to notice:

Changing the gearbox mode does not affect any other settings (ie. does not change the selected drive profile).
Changing the drive profile to Sport though WILL automatically change your gearbox to S mode too. It's supposing that if you drive in Sport you also want to use gearbox in S mode  you can undo this and go back to D by rocking the shifter rearwards while staying in Sport drive profile.

So, both scenarios are normal, Sport profile + S 'box mode or Sport profile + D 'box mode, you can choose freely. It's just this silly "initiative" of the car changing your 'box mode to S every time you choose Sport drive profile that's confusing people in every single VAG forum (when it's their first car with those options).

Thank you for the reply. I guess the thing that confuses me though is why if I select Eco driving mode the maxi dot display will show E1 (or whatever gear am in). This made me think they were linked. 

Just to be clear my car has the 7-sp DSG without DCC. 

@steverob55 I'm not sure what engine you have in your sportline. I have the 272 TSI 7 speed dsg. If my drive mode select is in eco, the box will coast when I lift off e.g. whilst doing 60 on the dual carriageway. Does yours? 

 

I tried eco mode once. I leave it in D most of the time and S if I'm feeling naughty 

17 minutes ago, boydeee said:

@steverob55 I'm not sure what engine you have in your sportline. I have the 272 TSI 7 speed dsg. If my drive mode select is in eco, the box will coast when I lift off e.g. whilst doing 60 on the dual carriageway. Does yours? 

 

I tried eco mode once. I leave it in D most of the time and S if I'm feeling naughty 

150 TDi in mine. 

 

If select eco drive mode, yeah it coasts. 

3 hours ago, steverob55 said:

Thank you for the reply. I guess the thing that confuses me though is why if I select Eco driving mode the maxi dot display will show E1 (or whatever gear am in). This made me think they were linked. 

 

You have a point here. The Eco gearbox mode is a special case. You can see that it's not selectable via the shifter's position like the other two 'box modes (you can see D and S in the base of the shifter but not Eco) and is not an option that can choose independently of the drive profile like the other two. In fact it's only possible to be in Eco 'box mode when you have selected Eco as your drive profile, so yes, in this case drive profile and 'box mode are linked.

Furthermore, on my current car of similar features (not a  Superb though) even if I go in the Individual profile and set drive to Eco, the 'box will not coast, only the rest of the settings will be affected (boost limited to 0.6 bar or so). So the only way to be in proper ECO 'box mode is via the drive profile. As opposed to D or S that you can select with any drive profile.

Edited 8 December, 20187 yr by newbie69

22 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Furthermore, on my current car of similar features (not a  Superb though) even if I go in the Individual profile and set drive to Eco, the 'box will not coast, only the rest of the settings will be affected (boost limited to 0.6 bar or so). So the only way to be in proper ECO 'box mode is via the drive profile. As opposed to D or S that you can select with any drive profile.

 

Certainly not the case with my car and as your current car is not a superb do you think you might be misinforming the OP?

 

The selectable modes are; Eco. Comfort. Normal. Sports and Individual.

 

In individual  you can adjust the "Drive" characteristics to mix and match as you wish, including ECO.  

 

Other MODE's drive characteristics selection can be overridden by using the gear selector to give you either D or S

 

I leave it in Ind and use Eco as the preferred drive characteristics, (with costing) and if and when required select other drive characteristics such as longer gear holding for overtaking by using either the shift stick, into Sport, or the paddles for D gearing.

@steverob55 If you are in Eco mode then the default is Eco drive characteristics. Hence E1,E2, etc unless you are coasting, when it will change to E and your tacho will drop towards an idle setting.  And as i said in the first reply you can override the drive characteristics associated with any mode to Sport or D.

 

But hey just go and play and work out what's best for you

 

Edited 9 December, 20187 yr by Bud

2 hours ago, Bud said:

 

Certainly not the case with my car and as your current car is not a superb do you think you might be misinforming the OP?

 

The selectable modes are; Eco. Comfort. Normal. Sports and Individual.

 

In individual  you can adjust the "Drive" characteristics to mix and match as you wish, including ECO.  

 

Other MODE's drive characteristics selection can be overridden by using the gear selector to give you either D or S

 

I leave it in Ind and use Eco as the preferred drive characteristics, (with costing) and if and when required select other drive characteristics such as longer gear holding for overtaking by using either the shift stick, into Sport, or the paddles for D gearing.

If coasting is available on the Superb in Individual mode via Eco drive selection that's a change for the better. That is why I specifically stated that I hadn't confirmed this feature on a Superb (it happens on other VAG cars of MY17+ like Leon, Golf etc.) Wasn't intending to mis-inform anyone, quite the contrary I was asking for confirmation (or not), not sure why you read it as such... 

Re the last point, you are saying that when in Individual profile with Eco drive selected you have access to E, D and S?  That something new too. In my experience (not on the Superb) when having the Drive to ECO, flicking the shift switches between E and S only, (so in a sense D is replaced by E when in ECO profile or in Ind. profile with ECO drive). 

Seems I'll need to play with all the options from the beginning when I receive my Sportline and not rely on how I know they work on the GTI...

Not sure how some of you can drive with eco profile. On my 272 7 gear even on D the rpms are so ridiculously low it’s unbearable and strain to engine. 40 mph on 5th or 6th gear - disaster  

 

on the other hand sport mode is too agressive for daily driving so still catching myself using paddles often when on D. 

11 minutes ago, JamesEnfield said:

Not sure how some of you can drive with eco profile. On my 272 7 gear even on D the rpms are so ridiculously low it’s unbearable and strain to engine. 40 mph on 5th or 6th gear - disaster  

 

on the other hand sport mode is too agressive for daily driving so still catching myself using paddles often when on D. 

 

On my current car with the 6-speed DSG I use ECO only when I have a boring trip following traffic and want to focus solely on economy. If I want to up the pace and overtake without staying in 7th/6th gear as you describe, I simply flick the left paddle 3 times...

That been said, I drive 95% of the time in Manual, and find S mode ('box) to be useless for how I want to drive.

Eco is handy for the trundle into work during rush hour.  For the few occasions where a bit of a gap opens up in the traffic, i get up to speed, get off the pedal and the car coasts to the next stop.

17 hours ago, newbie69 said:

 

On my current car with the 6-speed DSG I use ECO only when I have a boring trip following traffic and want to focus solely on economy. If I want to up the pace and overtake without staying in 7th/6th gear as you describe, I simply flick the left paddle 3 times...

That been said, I drive 95% of the time in Manual, and find S mode ('box) to be useless for how I want to drive.

 

I still feel your comparison with your current car, not a Škoda, and operating a Škoda is not reasonable.

 

Leaving in Eco and flicking the DSG selector gets you straight into sport drive and accelerates rapidly.  Why use 3 movements?   Moreover dropping 3 gears would seem excessive if you have a driving plan and are using effective observation.  On the other hand maybe places in Sweden are like a stock car racing track 

 

If you drive a DSG but always/often override it with manual selection then why buy the DSG in the first place? 

24 minutes ago, Bud said:

 

I still feel your comparison with your current car, not a Škoda, and operating a Škoda is not reasonable.

 

Leaving in Eco and flicking the DSG selector gets you straight into sport drive and accelerates rapidly.  Why use 3 movements?   Moreover dropping 3 gears would seem excessive if you have a driving plan and are using effective observation.  On the other hand maybe places in Sweden are like a stock car racing track 

 

If you drive a DSG but always/often override it with manual selection then why buy the DSG in the first place? 

 

Lol, this is getting funny... Why would you feel it is unreasonable?  It's the same unit with the same behaviour when changing from ECO to Sport or temporary manual via the paddles as is the discussed case here.

As for why using 3 flicks of a paddle, several reasons:

a) Gear-changes of even numbers mean a gear of the currently engaged shaft (clutch pack) is requested, under certain occasions this results in slower response as the same shaft has to dis-engage and re-engage the new gear. Asking for just 1 or 3 gears lower instead employs the second (currently not engaged) shaft and this happens quicker. DSG mechanics that are the same across cars of all 4 brands, not Skoda- , let alone Superb-exclusive... I have driven various DSGs on road, city, highway and track extensively and have come across most of their peculiarities so that I instinctively drive around them nowadays.

b) Dropping 3 gears while sitting at 6th and 1800rpm is not excessive at all. You are barely going to get over 3500rpm, an rpm range I'd rather be when I want to accelerate briskly with an engine that starts to make good power above 4k. Have you ever seen a dyno graph of these engines? It would provide a good picture of the power delivery and how to optimally use the engine in some cases minimizing stress.

As for why going for DSG: It's simply a superior transmission for my requirements and offers the flexibility I need from it. Also, I am not the only driver of the car and extra requirements need to be taken into account. The beauty of any DSG transmission is that it can offer a care-free drive if you want to (or if someone else wants to) and also provide you with the full control of how to use the engine's torque ideally for each driving scenario (something only a human driver can do yet) as you would do in a manual, something that other traditional Automatics can't offer. There's more too: You get to keep both hands on the wheel at all times (even if for the most cases you don't need to), you don't manually operate a clutch, the shifts are instantaneous and, the dynamic balance is just not affected during gear-changes in spirited driving (cornering, braking etc). None of that depends on if you're driving it in manual mode. * by the way it's driving, not overriding anything *.

Last thing: "Driving plan... Effective observation... Sweden a stock car racing track"  ???  Pointless, personal assumptions really, please try to refrain from them and focus on the technical points made if that's possible. Otherwise I would not be interested in such a discussion.

Differences of opinion and driving styles, seems the OP may have got what he needed and I'll leave it there.

Hi guys, 

 

I read the first post here and thought it sounded like my question but then thread seems to be more about the pro's and con's of driving modes. My question aligns with the first post (I think). From a clean start, the driving mode on columbus setup shows that last mode selected, in my case ECO. The dash shows D1, the light on the mode select button is orange, implying something other than normal is selected. What I'd like to happen is the car start up in the mode is was left in, such that you can leave the car in a certain drive mode and it stays there through ignition on>off>on but it looks to me like the car always starts in "Normal" remembers the last drive mode on the columbus and button but mode doesn't change until you reselect something using either columbus or button?

 

Is this behaviour wrong/a bug? It seems to me it is and there is nothing consistent about it? Its certainly a PITA having to manually select the mode I want every time I start up?

 

1 hour ago, neilsupermac said:

it stays there through ignition on>off>on but it looks to me like the car always starts in "Normal" remembers the last drive mode

MY16 does remember last mode, all newer don't 

Just now, MartiniB said:

MY16 does remember last mode, all newer don't 

That has got to be a software bug? Can't see why it makes sense for it work that way, especially as the mode button will illuminate yellow on start if you previously selected an alternative mode, yet stay white if the last mode was "Normal"...

 

2 hours ago, neilsupermac said:

Hi guys, 

 

I read the first post here and thought it sounded like my question but then thread seems to be more about the pro's and con's of driving modes. My question aligns with the first post (I think). From a clean start, the driving mode on columbus setup shows that last mode selected, in my case ECO. The dash shows D1, the light on the mode select button is orange, implying something other than normal is selected. What I'd like to happen is the car start up in the mode is was left in, such that you can leave the car in a certain drive mode and it stays there through ignition on>off>on but it looks to me like the car always starts in "Normal" remembers the last drive mode on the columbus and button but mode doesn't change until you reselect something using either columbus or button?

 

Is this behaviour wrong/a bug? It seems to me it is and there is nothing consistent about it? Its certainly a PITA having to manually select the mode I want every time I start up?

 

That is exactly the question I was asking. It does seem counter-intuitive that it works this way...

16 minutes ago, neilsupermac said:

That has got to be a software bug?

Škoda has never had any bugs, just few useful phenomenons

https://www.drive2.com/l/488404990277189880/

6 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

Škoda has never had any bugs, just few useful phenomenons

https://www.drive2.com/l/488404990277189880/

Seriously, aren't you tired of this yet?  Browsing threads waiting for someone to ask a question or express his worry on something and use it as an excuse to start this childish negativity/irony all over?

Look we get it, you put a funny logo and added a link of why you hate Skoda (half of those "reasons" are jokes anyway, you just wrote everything you could think of in there) but how does this link you posted about the start-stop symbol hiding the selected gear in some cars made 3 years ago help the OP in what he's after? 

Oh I see, you'll help him realize how bad a car he bought and join you in your crusade against Skoda, despite he is not interested in any of that probably... Good for you the mods are quite relaxed with off-topic here. Elsewhere you'd have been kicked out after the first warning already.

2 hours ago, neilsupermac said:

Hi guys, 

 

I read the first post here and thought it sounded like my question but then thread seems to be more about the pro's and con's of driving modes. My question aligns with the first post (I think). From a clean start, the driving mode on columbus setup shows that last mode selected, in my case ECO. The dash shows D1, the light on the mode select button is orange, implying something other than normal is selected. What I'd like to happen is the car start up in the mode is was left in, such that you can leave the car in a certain drive mode and it stays there through ignition on>off>on but it looks to me like the car always starts in "Normal" remembers the last drive mode on the columbus and button but mode doesn't change until you reselect something using either columbus or button?

 

Is this behaviour wrong/a bug? It seems to me it is and there is nothing consistent about it? Its certainly a PITA having to manually select the mode I want every time I start up?

 

From what you describe, after the restart the selected mode as a whole (suspension, throttle, lights, A/C etc.) is still the last one you selected (ECO), but the gearbox defaults back to D, instead of E, is that right?

If that is so, can you try pulling the stick once to go to sport (talking about 'box only, drive mode remains ECO unless you manually select something else) and immediately once more to go back? Does it go to D or E in that case? 

14 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

Oh I see, you'll help him realize how bad a car he bought and join you in your crusade against Skoda, despite he is not interested in any of that probably... Good for you the mods are quite relaxed with off-topic here. Elsewhere you'd have been kicked out after the first warning already.

 

I've got two Skodas...frankly I think they are both brilliant....I doubt there many cars out there that are perfect...its a relatively small problem...