I am interested (very!) in getting a Furby vRS. However, I have one query over the spec that I can't find an answer to. The car comes with ABS (obvious), ASR (traction control) and MSR - what is this?

Also, the other TDi's come with EDL (an electronic diff lock). This seems like a great way of optimising traction. Is it fitted to the vRS? Is it available? Any help would be much appreciated.

Oh, and the most important question - which colour?

Oh, and the most important question - which colour?

You will need to post a poll to make any sense of the answers to this question! Oh, and if you really are not sure what colour to buy, then the logical choices for you are white or black. Since white is not an option for the VRS, it will have to be black. QED. :(

Yes the vRS does have EDL. altho ive never had it kick in on me.. I think the ASR on the vRS is better than the one on the boggo Fabia TDi anyway

no idea what MSR is.

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Yes the vRS does have EDL. altho ive never had it kick in on me.. I think the ASR on the vRS is better than the one on the boggo Fabia TDi anyway

no idea what MSR is.

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and welcome to Briskoda

That would explain why full throttle/2nd gear/wet roundabout results in huge grin & rapid progress down the road

Does the EDL still work when the ASR is turned off? I repeated the trick on the way back, but turned the ASR off, and was pleasantly surprised by the level of traction/lack of torque-steer.

Oh, and :cheers:

i *think* EDL does still work when ASR is off, but ive never really tested it. apparently it has a definate effect and can be heard by a mettalic buzz, like when the ABS is working. (which is essentially all it is)

ive never actually switched the ASR off yet, especially this time of year with greasy roads, its already stopped me from "falling off the road" a few times. and will no doubt reap dividends on tyre life

I think the ASR on the vRS is better than the one on the boggo Fabia TDi anyway

boggo? - I'll quote you on that when I give the ASR a test post Jabba. The only reason I reckon you might think it works less on the standard TDI is that there's not enough grunt to give the ASR something to think about. IMO at least (and I am very opinionated) The vRS clearly is bu99er quick and the ASR is given a lot more work to do, especially the way you vRS boys throw them around! :p

edited : I've lifted this quote off the web:

" The braking system includes anti lock braking, with, ASR and MSR electronic traction systems, which are designed to improve safety by transferring the driving force from the wheels to the road."

To me this seems to say MSR is some electronic traction control. Now I "thought" ASR worked by reducing power to slipping wheels, but this MSR seems to work by putting power to the wheel with the most grip. I'm :confused: to say the least.

boggo? - I'll quote you on that when I give the ASR a test post Jabba. The only reason I reckon you might think it works less on the standard TDI is that there's not enough grunt to give the ASR something to think about. IMO at least (and I am very opinionated) The vRS clearly is bu99er quick and the ASR is given a lot more work to do' date=' especially the way you vRS boys throw them around! :p

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What would be the point of buying them if were not gonna "throw them round"?

more to the point.. how will your marshal tyres cope with the extra torque... what speed rating are they?

" The braking system includes anti lock braking' date=' with, ASR and MSR electronic traction systems, which are designed to improve safety by transferring the driving force from the wheels to the road."

To me this seems to say MSR is some electronic traction control. Now I "thought" ASR worked by reducing power to slipping wheels, but this MSR seems to work by putting power to the wheel with the most grip. I'm :confused: to say the least.[/quote']

Think ive figured it out

ASR = is the electronic traction control... reduces engine output...

then

MSR = M = Mechanical... IE it will apply the brakes on the spinning wheel

EDL = electronic differential lock, pretty much the same as MSR but works for longer, MSR only brakes the wheel for a fraction of a second to slow it down, but EDL can apply and hold the brake to allow the diff to transfer all the drive to the other wheel. (Tavia4x4 gave a good example = one wheel on grass, other on tarmac, boot it, and the EDL should transfer the drive to the wheel on the tarmac)

True point that.

Marshalls.... hmmm. one worry is that the tyres will not be able to cope with the extra top end speed, but it's not like I'm going to be redlining it in 5th on a regular basis! I reckon I'll be totally fine to 130mph, as the same tyres were on the old ZX. I'm sure they'll be fine for general use, and cornering should be as is now. (i.e quite fun)

I said about "throwing the car" around in a sarcastic way following the treatment of my car in Wales.

Only MSR I know about is Mountain Safety Research who make camping stoves that burn most flammable liquids.

Traction control is getting a good work out at the moment as they are building road where I live so all the back lanes are caked in mud - great fun driving along them.

(Tavia4x4 gave a good example = one wheel on grass' date=' other on tarmac, boot it, and the EDL should transfer the drive to the wheel on the tarmac)

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Turn ASR off first though, don't know how it sounds with the Fabia but on the octavia it sound like someone hitting the driveshaft with a lumphammer!

EDL is relatively crude - "electronic differential lock" is in fact simply using ABS on one wheel to brake the one that is spinning, thus the differential itself (working like any differential) will equalise power to the other wheel.

I say crude - but it's hi-tech enough to be on the front axle of the Gallardo!!

Turn ASR off first though, don't know how it sounds with the Fabia but on the octavia it sound like someone hitting the driveshaft with a lumphammer!!

You sure thats not all that 4x4 trickery trying to escape the evil RSs?

and i darent ask how you know what a "lumphammer hitting driveshaft" sounds like

lol, nah, have to go into 2wd to even get the EDL to come into play.

interesting stuff. Must admit i wasn't a fan of traction control systems on normal road cars but after a "TEST" drive in a fabia vrs I was well impressed.

Can't wait till delivery.

So the EDL isn't a trick diff then? :( Don't really approve of cutting power/applying brakes (even if it does save on tyre wear) as it reduces the amount of power available. Much prefer a torque sensing diff (as in the Focus RS) to try and get as much power as possible on the road first. Oh, and the resulting torque-steer just adds to the fun of the car! It can be used to advantage - exiting roundabouts/tight turns, the torque-steer caused by a sensing diff actualy reduces understeer - upto the point that the loaded wheel looses grip, then the car will go straight on. All good fun, but not liked by the press, hence the popularity of ASR (oh, and its probably cheaper!)

A standard TDI is not quick enough to need ASR....... ******S Mine gets a good workout everytime it gets wet! Best way to slow down the boy racer learners is to turn it off and sit back and enjoy the fun! The wife even has ASR on her 1.4 auto. Ok Ive only used it on grass and snow so far......

Interesting the system is now working better since i fitted EBC greenstuff all round......

aha - The wet is a different matter... [memories of taking that 30mph bend at 65mph in a torrential downpour coming back from Wrexham!] - I slid right across to the outside lane, ASR kicking in and forcing me to do some serious skid control.... I loved every second of it. In the dry I normally cannot get it doing very much unless the road is gritty/muddy. Maybe it's the wider wheels find more grip? I dunno really.

If I boot my car hard off a roundabout(especially the BMW) I want the back end to slide- If I hoon my brakes on as hard as I can thats because I want them to lock up! ABS, ASR, EDL etc etc stupid gadgets that take the experience away from driving- I hate them all. Good for people who cant really drive I suppose, but do YOU really want the car to drive itself?

Black Magic all the way

Black Magic all the way

I shall be having a word with you about your suspension at Duxford mate. You could have the tools to talk me out of getting coilovers!

Bahh humbug.. its becoming more and more difficult to resist duxford.. even tho it would be 280 miles each way :(

What are the chances of the ASR system fitted to the vRS being exactly the same as that fitted to other Fabias

Basically its not there to enhance performance, its a safety feature. It works best in snowy or icey conditions where wheelspin is gradually reduced to help maintain traction.

If you're brutal with the power in the wet its useless! :drive1:

What are the chances of the ASR system fitted to the vRS being exactly the same as that fitted to other Fabias

Basically its not there to enhance performance' date=' its a safety feature. It works best in snowy or icey conditions where wheelspin is gradually reduced to help maintain traction.

If you're brutal with the power in the wet its useless! :drive1:[/quote']

I like the ASR.. especially when it comes on without giving it much welly.. reassures me ive made the right choice of car :vamperic: