Hi all,

Am I right in thinking the newer 190ps 4x4’s come with a 7 speed DSG?

If so when did they change from the older 6 speed?

Also, is the 7 speed the same as what VW fitted in the bi-turbo 2.0TDi 4x4 Passat?

Presumably the 7 speed is more robust and therefore reliable?...

 

Many thanks folks.

 

Steve

Late 17 they changed from 6 to 7 on the 190tdi. Don't think it's more reliable same same as the six speed.

 

I drove a 7 speed loaner and didn't even notice any difference before looking and the MFD and seeing number 7 instead of 6

4 minutes ago, Baverhanne said:

Late 17 they changed from 6 to 7 on the 190tdi. Don't think it's more reliable same same as the six speed.

 

I drove a 7 speed loaner and didn't even notice any difference before looking and the MFD and seeing number 7 instead of 6

Thanks,

I remember reading somewhere that the 7 speed (if it’s the same as fitted to the bi-turbo VW) had a better design (dry?) clutch capable of withstanding higher tolerances....

 

Should be a wet clutch - maybe it's a more robust design?

No dry clutch DSG on these cars due to torque limitations. The DQ200 7-speed (dry) was officially able to handle just 250Nm so it could have not been fitted to any 2.0 TDI and above.

 

I believe the previous 6-speed was the DQ250 6-speed wet (380 Nm rated), and the new one should be the DQ381 7-speed wet (430 Nm rated), same as for the high power 2.0 TSI engine variants.

There should be a few more changes than just an extra gear (although imperceptible to the driver) due to the fact the DQ381 is based on the larger DQ500, the stronger DSG in the entire group (600 Nm rated). The DQ500 is actually the one found in the 2.0 Bi-TDI again due to it being the only one able to handle the 500Nm of that engine.

Hi,

MY 2017 were fitted with DSG-6. DSG-7 started to be fitted on MY 2018 for TDI 190.

The first VAG vehicle fitted with DSG-7 suffered from poor reputation to due a bad reliability. This came from a design change from DSG-6 on the electronic actuation system. There was an oil spec. change that ruined the sealing O-ring, which prevented the electronic compartement from getting wet from oil. Once VAG engineers made the design evolve (can't remember if it was an oil or an O-ring change... ), the reliability claims on DSG-7 decreased.

Fortunately, since Skoda models don't deserve the very first new equipments from the VAG group, they're quite preserved from "youth defects"... 

54 minutes ago, Bap33 said:

Hi,

MY 2017 were fitted with DSG-6. DSG-7 started to be fitted on MY 2018 for TDI 190.

The first VAG vehicle fitted with DSG-7 suffered from poor reputation to due a bad reliability. This came from a design change from DSG-6 on the electronic actuation system. There was an oil spec. change that ruined the sealing O-ring, which prevented the electronic compartement from getting wet from oil. Once VAG engineers made the design evolve (can't remember if it was an oil or an O-ring change... ), the reliability claims on DSG-7 decreased.

Fortunately, since Skoda models don't deserve the very first new equipments from the VAG group, they're quite preserved from "youth defects"... 

Do you have any links/references of the issues you describe to see which cars it affected and how?

As a note, the latest 7-speed wet DSG comes as DQ380 on FWD cars and as DQ381 on AWD cars. The DQ380 was first made in China for the local market and I think I've read there were some issues with that but they were resolved when it later became available (and manufactured) in Europe, first on the MK7.5 GTI. Haven't read about any issues about its AWD version, the DQ381 (that is the one that now comes on the 272 Superbs) but maybe I've missed something.

Edited 8 January, 20197 yr by newbie69

@newbie69 No, sorry, I don't have any link. This is something I've ready on a magazine or in a VAG forum several years ago. Thus, I don't think DQ380 might be affected. As far as I can remember, it mainly impacted VWs or Audis, very rarely Skodas.

Well, I have a DQ381 issue for you!  My wife's Ateca is currently having a new one fitted under warranty.  It started making a grating noise then a few miles later gave a red warning to stop immediately.  I don't have any details of the fault but I'm pleased to say the customer care has been good (recovery, hire car, communication from dealer).

44 minutes ago, D402 said:

Well, I have a DQ381 issue for you!  My wife's Ateca is currently having a new one fitted under warranty.  It started making a grating noise then a few miles later gave a red warning to stop immediately.  I don't have any details of the fault but I'm pleased to say the customer care has been good (recovery, hire car, communication from dealer).

Thanks for the info. The car is a 2.0 TDI I assume? Only asking because 1.4/1.5 TSI Atecas use the 6-speed DQ250 but you wouldn't have confused that I think.

So the complete gearbox had to be replaced you say? Not just the mechatronics unit? Something must have been really wrong... What model year is the car?

If you ever get the technical explanation from the dealer please do share, I'm intrigued to find out more about the case.

The Ateca is a 2017 2.0 TSi 190, it's done about 20k miles.  The dealers told us that they checked the mechatronic unit first but have had to replace the whole gearbox.  I'm keen to find out more too!

10 minutes ago, D402 said:

The Ateca is a 2017 2.0 TSi 190, it's done about 20k miles.  The dealers told us that they checked the mechatronic unit first but have had to replace the whole gearbox.  I'm keen to find out more too!

I see, and it's a 4 wheel drive right? (I don't even think the 2.0 TSI was offered in FWD on the Ateca?) 

First time I hear about a full DQ381 replacement but even if it's not common I'm intrigued to find out more. If you mind asking for more info when you get it back it would be great to share with us 

 

Yes, 4 wheel drive.  Latest is that they need both keys, I guess they have to reset the component protection for the new gearbox control unit.

We have our Ateca back with its new gearbox  The dealers couldn't give us any technical explanation other than an internal fault (there was no external sign of failure but it was extremely hot under the bonnet after the car had stopped) that had damaged both the mechanical and electronic sections.  VW instructed them to replace the whole gearbox.  Sounds like it could have been the oil seal issue mentioned above .

 

Everything works perfectly and the gearshifts seem smoother than before.  We are very happy with how this was handled, just hope it doesn't happen outside of warranty, gearbox alone would have cost ~£4k!

1 hour ago, D402 said:

We have our Ateca back with its new gearbox  The dealers couldn't give us any technical explanation other than an internal fault (there was no external sign of failure but it was extremely hot under the bonnet after the car had stopped) that had damaged both the mechanical and electronic sections.  VW instructed them to replace the whole gearbox.  Sounds like it could have been the oil seal issue mentioned above .

 

Everything works perfectly and the gearshifts seem smoother than before.  We are very happy with how this was handled, just hope it doesn't happen outside of warranty, gearbox alone would have cost ~£4k!

Ok maybe really a random issue then. Although without technical details we will never be sure if it was indeed a 4K job or it could have been repaired (with less) by a specialist. Main dealers are not usually bothering with such repairs, especially if VW/Skoda has given the green light for a new 'box.