We all know, apart from Skoda, that the 1.5. Petrol has a slight issue which needs addressing, however this aside, let’s get some feedback on the above

 

diesel or petrol,  did you switch due to diesel being public enemy no1 , did you regret, would you reconsider,  and thoughts on 2.0 petrol due in the coming weeks, would that make you swap?

 

also please include mpg 

 

thanks all

Petrol vs diesel should ideally be decided by how much and what kind of driving you do.

Diesel will be banned on roads. It is only a matter of time. As for mpg, why bother when diesel price is much higher than petrol?

All my previous cars were Diesel but due to the recent events I decided to give petrol a go.

 

Current average MPG around 39 / 40

 

Short journeys hit around 32mpg.

 

Long journeys around 42 mpg

 

Only once did I get 50 Mpg on a long motorway trip which was mainly 50mph due average speed cameras on the M1.

 

I have yet to do the math to see if I would have been better off with diesel but one day when I have some time I will sit down to see what if any difference it would have made.

 

My last Octi easily got 60 mpg, but that was a green line version with stripped down weight and streamlining.

2 hours ago, langers2k said:

Petrol vs diesel should ideally be decided by how much and what kind of driving you do.

 

+1

 

This IMO is the single most important thing to consider.

 

1 hour ago, RicardoM said:

Diesel will be banned on roads. It is only a matter of time. As for mpg, why bother when diesel price is much higher than petrol?

 

Not in most of our lifetimes it won’t... unless you really believe there will be no diesel powered trucks in the road by then?

 

Back to the OP’s question:

For us the Yeti’s replacement was quite simple... the new Nissan Leaf, it does a bare minimum of 100 miles (and up to 160 miles during the summer) for the cost of a gallon of unleaded, this is  during the winter driven not economically at all and with the heater, heated seats and heated steering wheel on. The cost of the Leaf was also around the same for a similarly specced Yeti / karoq.

 

Charge the car at night on a cheap rate* then the ‘MPG’ of a Leaf can be doubled.

 

* I realise not everyone can charge at home, we are in the process of switching to ‘Octopus GO’ which is a 5p / kWh electricity rate between 0030 - 0430 and 15.45p / kWh after then (we also have battery storage that will charge at the same time and will supply nearly all the power we require) 

@RicardoM   Are you in the UK, or come to the UK much?

 

 Diesel Passengers cars might well be banned on some roads and in some areas eventually in the UK, and older ones now, some light commercials as well, 

but Diesel Engine HGV's are not getting banned anytime soon in the UK and neither are Diesel Passenger cars.

 

In the UK the diesel price has been about 11 pence a litre more expensive than 95 unleaded.  so maybe 50 pence an imperial gallon more expensive.

Really the difference between Ooo & Ahhh.  Or a ba's hair if you do enough miles.

4 hours ago, Focusy said:

We all know, apart from Skoda, that the 1.5. Petrol has a slight issue which needs addressing, however this aside, let’s get some feedback on the above

 

diesel or petrol,  did you switch due to diesel being public enemy no1 , did you regret, would you reconsider,  and thoughts on 2.0 petrol due in the coming weeks, would that make you swap?

 

also please include mpg 

 

thanks all

What's the issue with the petrol engine?

4 hours ago, RicardoM said:

Diesel will be banned on roads. It is only a matter of time. As for mpg, why bother when diesel price is much higher than petrol?

 

No it wont - at least, Euro 6 onwards will be motoring away.   The CO2 problem is making its way up the bogeyman charts again and its not going to disappear. The price difference is a UK consideration but it works exactly the opposite in may other countries. In Ireland, diesel is 10p less per litre than petrol. 

1 hour ago, Nicky_P said:

What's the issue with the petrol engine?

 

Get stuck into this thread ............ all 47 (at present) pages of it 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, StEdmund said:

 

Get stuck into this thread ............ all 47 (at present) pages of it 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the pointer, the wifes car is Dsg so all good here.

@Nicky_P  All good because hers is all good, not so for those with 1.5 DSG's that have bad ones with issues, cutting out and where they have been told Skoda are aware.

Must be in the 1.5 TSI DSG threads as well as some posts in the 1.5TSI Manual thread.

Edited 26 January, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Ok will keep an eye on it but 8k in all good so far.

Famous last words.......

8 hours ago, Focusy said:

Diesel or petrol,  did you switch due to diesel being public enemy no1 , did you regret, would you reconsider,  and thoughts on 2.0 petrol due in the coming weeks, would that make you swap?

 

Is this thread simply for debate, or are you looking to make an engine choice?

 

Annual mileage?

 

- anything north of 15,000 miles per year might see a better chance for savings running a diesel (initial purchase price, cost of diesel fuel).

 

Journey type?

 

- repeated short journey's without a regular longer run might see DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) issues.

 

Towing, off-roading, remote roads with steep inclines?

 

- the diesels tend to offer higher levels of torque which can make life easier.

 

Engine noise?

 

- our 1.4 150PS TSI is near-silent. Compared to our previous 2.0 TDI 150PS which whilst not noisy was almost always audible compared to the petrol.

 

 

2 years ago petrol and diesel were similar prices

diesel is now 11-15p per litre more (varies around country)

 

Once low sulphur marine fuel is required in 2020, analysts suggest price differential will be 25p due to the new ship fuel taking some diesel refining capacity.

 

So saving about 10% on petrol price, probably going to about 15-17% next year

But diesel gives about 20% better real world consumption 

Net saving 3-10% in fuel

 

Depending on which version of Karoq the diesel costs £1700-2300 extra to buy

 

Overall (and assuming diesel differential becomes about 20-25p need to do about 130,000 - 160,000 miles to recover the extra purchase price.   However if diesel price premium grows to fully offset the extra miles per gallon, will never recover any of the extra purchase price.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

- repeated short journey's without a regular longer run might see DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) issues.

 

Nobody knows what the GPF is going to like regarding reliability or issues though as it’s too soon to see any potential problems.

The GPF is said to be a lot simpler in its operation compared to a DPF.

 

Petrol engines also get a lot hotter a lot quicker which is one of the main reasons diesels struggle with their DPF's.

40 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

 

Is this thread simply for debate, or are you looking to make an engine choice?

 

Annual mileage?

 

- anything north of 15,000 miles per year might see a better chance for savings running a diesel (initial purchase price, cost of diesel fuel).

 

Journey type?

 

- repeated short journey's without a regular longer run might see DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) issues.

 

Towing, off-roading, remote roads with steep inclines?

 

- the diesels tend to offer higher levels of torque which can make life easier.

 

Engine noise?

 

- our 1.4 150PS TSI is near-silent. Compared to our previous 2.0 TDI 150PS which whilst not noisy was almost always audible compared to the petrol.

 

 

Yes looking at purchase currently the wife had a 1.5 dci Renault and does 10000 a year town to town driving absolutely no issues with def,  average 61 mpg. Fill up once a month. Concern is if we enter into a new vehicle and keep it for a long duration,  what the long terms result on diesel.  Also her car has no adblue and people say on short journey it uses more adblue than long runs, so with the growing cost in diesel is she better with petrol  hence my original question to gauge people’s thoughts.

 

 

 

Edited 26 January, 20197 yr by Focusy

With an annual mileage of 10,000 per year, fuel economy and the difference in purchase price between petrol and diesel shouldn't overly influence your buying decision.

 

10,000 miles @ 40 mpg (petrol) @ 544.6 pence/gallon = £1,361

10,000 miles @ 60 mpg (diesel) = @ 585.5 pence/gallon = £975

 

A difference of £386.

 

Comparing the 1.5 TSI 150PS ACT to the 2.0 TDI 150PS SCR @ £23,290 and £24,950 (Recommended OTR), there is a difference of £1,660.

 

It would take 4.3 years of fuel savings from the diesel to recoup the higher purchase price versus the petrol equivalent.

 

Not enough for fuel economy to rank higher than driving dynamics, reliability, performance preferences etc.

 

As you look to keep your cars for a while, depreciation / future residuals shouldn't matter too much either.

 

 

 

Edited 26 January, 20197 yr by silver1011

After one year with a manual 1.5Tsi SEL Karoq (nickname SKIPPY) we cover 1,000 miles per month at brim to brim average of exactly 46mpg giving just over 500 miles per tank with unleaded currently around £1.15 per litre. Both our commutes are 52 miles per day but wife does more A roads and country lanes compared to my mainly motorway stuff. This replaced a Rapid 1.2Tsi so she enjoys the extra 44bhp and that car averaged about the same mpg over 28,000 miles.

28 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

With an annual mileage of 10,000 per year, fuel economy and the difference in purchase price between petrol and diesel shouldn't overly influence your buying decision.

 

10,000 miles @ 40 mpg (petrol) @ 544.6 pence/gallon = £1,361

10,000 miles @ 60 mpg (diesel) = @ 585.5 pence/gallon = £975

 

A difference of £386.

 

Comparing the 1.5 TSI 150PS ACT to the 2.0 TDI 150PS SCR @ £23,290 and £24,950 (Recommended OTR), there is a difference of £1,660.

 

It would take 4.3 years of fuel savings from the diesel to recoup the higher purchase price versus the petrol equivalent.

 

Not enough for fuel economy to rank higher than driving dynamics, reliability, performance preferences etc.

 

As you look to keep your cars for a while, depreciation / future residuals shouldn't matter too much either.

 

 

 

Here a curve ball, what about the 2.0 tfsi petrol

You do not get a 'F' unless you pay more and get a AUDI.   

& then they sell you a DSG but call it a s-stronic as though anyone gives a 'f' or a 's'!

The extra 40 PS (150 vs. 190) might cost you 5mpg?

 

Assuming a £995 premium for the 2.0 TSI vs. the 2.0 TDI (I've used the Kodiaq as an example to check the engine price differences, as this model is the only Skoda SUV with both a 2.0 TDI and 2.0 TSI. I've had to use an old pricing brochure as the new 2.0 TSI isn't yet showing in the brochure, presumably as it's only just passed WLTP). 

 

I reckon the 4.3 years in the earlier example drops to 3.5 years if you decided on the 2.0 TSI in a Karoq. 

 

 

So it would still take more than 3 years of fuel savings from the diesel to offset it's higher purchase price

So would you go  1.5 or 2.0. Outside of th juddering issue or diesel

 

 

Edited 26 January, 20197 yr by Focusy

I have the best of both world's, the 1.5's predecessor, the 1.4.

 

I deliberately ordered my Kodiaq just before the 1.4 went out of production, knowing most of the engines issues were sorted.

 

Unfortunately with a new engine, the first owners are Skoda's guinea pigs.

 

If it had to be a Karoq, and knowing what we know about the 1.5's issues I'd go for the 2.0 and hope Skoda did a better job with the software development.

 

Edited 1 February, 20197 yr by silver1011