Oh dear, please link me? Wonder what is the problem.

 

May be it's a case of "we'll have this in the future, please don't look at other brands". The typical game of "fast follower" game traditional car manufacturers do.

 

Ah okay. Without 5 seats, I can see why you compared it against Citygo.

Skoda seem to not be prepared to even make an effort to get on building a Small or medium EV and have a product many of their traditional customers might want.

A passenger EV that the Taxi / Private car drivers / customers could purchase instead of the Octavia used by many around the world should have been a priority. 

Skoda Enyaq's do not seem to be the vehicle getting bought for that purpose. 

 

Then small EV City car / delivery van was something that should have been another one they could have produced for hire companies, fleets etc.

 

 

 

REAL World questions.

Many questions.   WLTP just nonsense!

 

Did they from a fully charged battery zero the mileometer and go 109 miles, or not zero when full, maybe from collecting the car the 146 miles?

Because if they had the 54 & 58 % left that is not good for only 109 miles.

 

But then when nearly 1/2 way there there was 72% left.   

Is that half way on 109 miles so just over half way, say 60 miles using 38% of the battery.

 

200 mile range left.

That might mean 260 miles possible.

'But nearing end of journey just over 100 miles completed.'       Only 58% left though.

 

2 hours, 109 miles sounds about right.   But not doing 146 mile????

 

82 kWh total capacity battery,  77 kWh.     

X 3.3 miles per kWh.  Would be 254 miles. 

 

54 % of the battery left and only 109 miles done.

It would have made sense, split the load between the cars on the return journey and see how well they do and if actually identical efficiency.

 

77 kWh usable getting 4 miles a kWh before you have 308 miles range.

official range 345 miles. 

That would need to be getting 4.48 miles a kWh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 13/12/2023 at 07:06, Ootohere said:

REAL World questions.

Many questions.   WLTP just nonsense!

 

Did they from a fully charged battery zero the mileometer and go 109 miles, or not zero when full, maybe from collecting the car the 146 miles?

Because if they had the 54 & 58 % left that is not good for only 109 miles.

 

But then when nearly 1/2 way there there was 72% left.   

Is that half way on 109 miles so just over half way, say 60 miles using 38% of the battery.

 

200 mile range left.

That might mean 260 miles possible.

'But nearing end of journey just over 100 miles completed.'       Only 58% left though.

 

2 hours, 109 miles sounds about right.   But not doing 146 mile????

 

82 kWh total capacity battery,  77 kWh.     

X 3.3 miles per kWh.  Would be 254 miles. 

 

54 % of the battery left and only 109 miles done.

It would have made sense, split the load between the cars on the return journey and see how well they do and if actually identical efficiency.

 

77 kWh usable getting 4 miles a kWh before you have 308 miles range.

official range 345 miles. 

That would need to be getting 4.48 miles a kWh.

 

 

Just watched this old video.

They said it's a "Myth" that driving style can impact economy but then they fail to test driving style, as they've apparently been driving in convoy and presumably accelerating / braking together.

(I'm pretty sure that driving style would make a difference.)

Also, in the so-called "identical" cars, one has a rear wiper and the other doesn't - which is surely going to impact aerodynamics if you're heading up a motorway on a long journey.  And doesn't bode well that they failed to notice it.

(Also not sure you've ever been able to buy a Coupe Enyaq with a rear wiper in the UK? So maybe it was some sort of press car?)

So I don't think it's a very credible video - not a YouTube channel I'll be subscribing to...

It really needs to be a total idiot that would say that driving styles can not impact economy.

Then there are driving modes, and heater / ac uses, tyres pressures, but the main thing is if regen or coasting is used. 

 

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We will see if Skoda can turn out a very efficient BEV.  & how near to this it actually looks.

 

 

Edited 26 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

The alternative to an Enyaq and comes as electrified with a ICE. 

 

 

 

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A slightly smaller Enyaq. Make an Octavia replacement and sell millions of em!

An Estate & a Van / commercial version and really have a place in the BEV & Light Goods BEV market.

If only!

 

I think they have mixed up what the Epiq is going to be with this non-city small crossover.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

In the UK it is illegal to use a Hand Held phone while driving.

You also need to be in control of the vehicle.

 

So 'Mobile Phone App' and Parking a car while not in the car on a road or place open to the public.  Is that legal in the UK?

 

Cars insurance. 

Same thing, not in a vehicle, but moving it in or out of a parking space using a Mobile Phone. 

?

How does an Insurer look on that if the vehicle hits another, or a person or animal?

13 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

So 'Mobile Phone App' and Parking a car while not in the car on a road or place open to the public.  Is that legal in the UK?

Tesla smart summon in US allows the car to drive across the car park to the driver. In EU (including UK) it has been nerf'd to only a few meters away.

 

I think this is legal but useless until regulations allow it to do more.

Previously, legislation didn't allow access to these features in the UK, but now you can press a button on your app and your car will come out and meet you. As long as it's private land, of course.

 

It will take a change in legislation to allow it on the road.

 

 

The moment you activate the app you would be committing the offence? (on a public road)

 

 

On 19/09/2019 at 22:49, Ootohere said:

Unless they do 80 miles for a gallon of petrol they are a con.

If you can get 50 + miles without the engine running then maybe less so, but VW / Skoda gad them nearly ready to produce and Governments like in the UK can see they are a con and not green.

 

 

 

you mean they dont fit the UK Governments' agenda of pushing for Zero Emission Vehicles rather than the EU approach of pushing for an overall reduction in emissions ;o)

Personally if I had a PHEV (and this sort of thing may well be my next car in a few years) that could do 40-50 miles(and especially because I am privileged enough to have the ability to home charge) most of my motoring would be as "green" as a BEV but would still give me the ability to do longer journeys on demand and with no charger anxiety (and I personally would be happy with the same MPG on petrol as I get with my current 1.4TSI ACT , I'm not asking for 80mpg on petrol).

I'm sure the same holds true for most people. Stating its "not green" is blinkered thinking IMHO.

21 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

Previously, legislation didn't allow access to these features in the UK, but now you can press a button on your app and your car will come out and meet you. As long as it's private land, of course.

 

It will take a change in legislation to allow it on the road.

 

 

The moment you activate the app you would be committing the offence? (on a public road)

Lateral Thinking out loud:

Are EVs covered by the above in regards to the "motor" , handbrake element obviously is.?

Are there definitions in the Act of exactly what a "motor vehicle " is ?

Does an EV with the ignition on and not moving have its "motor" running (note the above doesn't state it's an offence to leave the ignition on) ? 

Note it  also states "which is not attended by a person licensed to drive it" rather than stating "which does not have a person licensed to drive it sat behind the steering wheel or other controls"

Actually that last thought makes 107 non applicable to the scenario of self driving forward.

If you are standing in front of the car and have control of it via an app or keyfob then by definition you are surely "attending it", aren't you? (which is possibly  why as @wyx087 states in the EU/UK the distance has been nerfed to a few meters, presumably to comply with things such as 107)

Edited 17 August, 20241 yr by Winston_Woof

The con of the BIK / tax breaks where the vehicles are just running liquid fuel was the not green. A pi$$ take on tax payers assisting the business users. Also the kidology of the range from. Electric or in hybrid mode and the efficiency.   As to blinkered. There are those that that can not see or chose to not see.   Times are changing. Time the government in the UK gets real on real world UK use of vehicles.   Get the TAX on energy used. What ever that is.  And tax vehicles by weight / size as many are never getting used much anyway so not using fuel. 

Edited 17 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Good point Winston.

 

Does remote aux heater escape this 107 reg?

If not, then why are EV's allowed to be remotely pre-conditioned?

 

I believe motor vehicle is classed as vehicle able to move on its own power, so EV's do qualify. E-scooter are considered motor vehicle, hence they are not legal to use.

3 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Good point Winston.

 

Does remote aux heater escape this 107 reg?

If not, then why are EV's allowed to be remotely pre-conditioned?

 

I believe motor vehicle is classed as vehicle able to move on its own power, so EV's do qualify. E-scooter are considered motor vehicle, hence they are not legal to use.

Probably because remote precondition only requires a heater/chiller to be turned on without enabling power to the motors????

Same goes for any aux heater in an ICE vehicle, I would imagine as long as the main engine doesn't need to be running then it's exempt

 

 

 

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ahhhh it could almost be considered "wooly" lol

 

The term 'motor vehicle' is defined in section 185(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and section 136(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as "a mechanically propelled vehicle, intended or adapted for use on roads".

 

Although this is the legal definition, ultimately it is a matter of fact and degree for a court to interpret as to whether or not a vehicle is a motor vehicle at the time of the incident.

 

The term "mechanically propelled vehicle" is not defined in the Road Traffic Acts. It is ultimately a matter of fact and degree for the court to decide. At its most basic level it is a vehicle which can be propelled by mechanical means. It can include both electrically and steam powered vehicles.

 

"Intended or adapted for use on roads" is also not defined by statute and again is ultimately a matter for the court to decide based on the evidence before it.

 

There has, however, been extensive case law on the subject and the main point that emerges is what is known as the reasonable man test as per the following cases:

 

Other vehicles which are not currently lawful for use on public roads unless registered and insured include self-balancing scooters (e.g. Segways), mini-Segways, Hoverboards, and single-wheel electric skateboards.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic-summary-offences#:~:text=The term 'motor vehicle' is,adapted for use on roads".

I am looking forward to hearing the experience of members and others once they have the New Skoda PHEV models with a 1.5TSI and bigger battery and faster charging. 

 

 

 

If only Skoda were as good as getting a new small petrol or EV produced as well as Spoof Video Producers were using AI. 

They seem to have missed Skoda are using letters not round badges on the front.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

****ification of the youtube has already began, there's so many AI generated rubbish these days.