4 hours ago, JackySi said:

I don't exactly understand what Mr @Flatjack is referring to, but Superb is smaller generally because of the the space dedicated for the Engine (no v6, v8 offers) and the way car interior space is designed. But the difference between Superb and A6 for example is 7 cm.. So all these comparisons are bit, funny... 
 

 

Internal space is what I meant, and particularly the comfort driving and for passengers.

 

Nobody can ever claim to be uncomfortable in the Superb but the A4 is very tight for driver and rear passengers in comparison.

 

The A6 feels and drives as a much larger car but doesn't offer any benefits overs the Superb internally, rear passenger space is less.

 

The V90 is smaller too in the rear, the Superb has the bigger boot - I think the Octavia estate does too. The V90 is longer than both.

 

So as comparisons go my point was around what could ever beat the Superb as an all round spacious and value package?

 

As long as Skoda don't get carried away with pricing then the Superb will continue to be the "thinking persons" choice.

 

 

5 hours ago, JackySi said:

I don't exactly understand what Mr @Flatjack is referring to, but Superb is smaller generally because of the the space dedicated for the Engine (no v6, v8 offers) and the way car interior space is designed. But the difference between Superb and A6 for example is 7 cm.. So all these comparisons are bit, funny... 

Lengths for mentioned cars:

- BMW 5 touring 4,936–4,943 mm  (probably depending on Engine size or Touring/Normal)
- Audi A6 (2019+) 4,939 mm
- Volvo V90 2018+ 4,939 mm (funny, exactly as A6 :O)
- Mercedes Benz E-class 2018+ 4,923 mm

- Audi A6 (2012+) 4,916 mm

- Škoda Superb MK3 4,861 mm

- Volvo V60 2019+ 4,761 mm
- Audi A4 2018+ 4,726 mm 

 7cm! I can't believe that some consider this such a massive difference especially when the Superb is such a larger car anyway. As for load capacity who ever fills their car to the limit?  I avoided the estate because the only additional capacity it gives risks items touching the rear screen, I've never missed the extra 15% ? capacity. Despite carrying huge loads I've never filled up to the headlining. so who cares if the Volvo can carry slightly less volume when it is such a superior car?

1 hour ago, byteme said:

 7cm! I can't believe that some consider this such a massive difference especially when the Superb is such a larger car anyway. As for load capacity who ever fills their car to the limit?  I avoided the estate because the only additional capacity it gives risks items touching the rear screen, I've never missed the extra 15% ? capacity. Despite carrying huge loads I've never filled up to the headlining. so who cares if the Volvo can carry slightly less volume when it is such a superior car?

 

Superior? 

 

What makes a Volvo V90 (or a V60) superior to a Skoda Superb do you think?

 

I have driven both and the DSG box and the 190 TDI is superior to both the T3 and T4 on the Volvo.

 

The Infotainment on the Skoda wins.

 

The leather in the Skoda wins.

 

The running costs and servicing costs for Skoda wins.

 

Struggling to see why anyone feels Volvo are superior, is it really worth £8-9k extra RRP?

Edited 30 June, 20196 yr by Flatjack

Where are the plug in hybrid options ?

1 minute ago, RickTT said:

Where are the plug in hybrid options ?

 

On sale in 2020.

6 minutes ago, Flatjack said:

 

Superior? 

 

What makes a Volvo V90 (or a V60) superior to a Skoda Superb do you think?

 

I have driven both and the DSG box and the 190 TDI is superior to both the T3 and T4 on the Volvo.

 

The Infotainment on the Skoda wins.

 

The leather in the Skoda wins.

 

The running costs and servicing costs for Skoda wins.

 

Struggling to see why anyone feels Volvo are superior, is it really worth £8-9k extra RRP?

Whenever I travel in a Volvo I feel safer. The car feel planted on the road and it's clear one reason for this is its higher weight Apart from my old S60 my daughter used we also have a new V40 and even though its considerably smaller its of comparable weight to the Superb and you feel that on the road. Despite being an older car the V40 scores far better than the Superb as does the V90.

 

The low weight may assist the Superb in terms of  fuel consumption ands acceleration but I've never has a car so affected by side winds and aquaplaning.

 

The infotainment in the Skoda is not that good and the DAB is terrible. Yes the Skoda can sound better but it's a work car and the opportunities to use that are limited. I'm a huge hi-fi fan and collect some of the best vintage car hi-fi with the best of that being in my fun cars. I also have a serious system at home and a very capable one in my shed/workshop. The difference between the Skoda and Volvo for what I use the car for is not great and not a deciding factor.

 

The half leather in the Skoda wasnt avaiable due to a "conflict" that prevented the beige the dealers insisted was available not being so. Even Skoda UK took a week to make their minds up that while the no cost option was there for beige leather should be there Skoda were only supplying black. Instead I went for Alcantara and it's great even the heavy wear edges that can turn black (my job) clean up and look like new. There's no way I would have a Superb in leather by equally I never felt the Volvo seats were as comfortable finised with hide. They feel harder with less ability to conform. I don't like some of the finishes Volvo use and especially their use of varying textures of leather some of which makes it look like it's come from an elephant. Cars also sound better with fabric interiors and have superior acoustics if hi-fi is your thing. I wouldn't have leather in either.

 

I'm not much concerned about running costs because the lease company picks up those but despite the reduced service intervals my Superb has been into the garage more than any other I've had and my colleagues who selected the same car report the same with most of us suffering clutch and timing belt issues as well as corrosion on rear discs.

 

I love auto gearboxes and all of my toys have them but the DSG never seems to be in the right gear and while my experience is generally limited to courtesy cars and work related activities testing vehicles I'm pretty sure any fuzzy logic would have learned my driving style but never did. I would love to like the DSG but just don't. I recall on earlier superb IIIs the DGS would hang on to gears and induce exhaust resonance. That's irrelevant because I don't have that option on my company car.

 

The 190 TDI is OK but not probably not needed with 2WD but as a no cost option with zero tax implications I'd probably go for it even though any supposed benefit would rarely get used. I like having a clean licence.

 

As for your last point, the Volvo is just better. Less rattles, less body resonances, quieter, but most importantly quality remains long after the price is forgotten. There was no question my old S60 wasn't going to be bought as were several cars before it. I doubt my Superb will be purchased when the lease ends unless it is really cheap which of course it wont be because it's next life will be as a taxi. Is it worth the extra? That depends on how long you keep it and how much you appreciate small details. There are some great deals on Volvo car schemes and ex demos that offer great value.

 

I like my Superb but realise it's cheaper for a reason.

15 minutes ago, byteme said:

I like my Superb but realise it's cheaper for a reason.

 

Thank you, there is some great reasoning there and really appreciate the time taken.

 

For me the Superb, as my first brand new car for ten years, has surpassed all expectations and in mid-level spec with full leather and 18" wheels provided great VFM. Its quick enough for me, handles sufficiently well and is very comfortable.

 

Is also a perfect size and makes cars like the A4 seem too small in comparison.

 

I have looked very closely at Volvo's and in fact I very nearly purchased a V90 on Friday (ex-demo) but have decided to hold off and see what Skoda will offer this week.

 

If we were comparing the Superb with the Volvo offerings at the same price then I guess the Volvo would win out but for sheet value for money the Superb can't be beaten.

 

If I were going for the V60 it would be the R-Design spec and that would cost £37k RRP.

 

 

Edited 30 June, 20196 yr by Flatjack

1 hour ago, byteme said:

Whenever I travel in a Volvo I feel safer. The car feel planted on the road and it's clear one reason for this is its higher weight Apart from my old S60 my daughter used we also have a new V40 and even though its considerably smaller its of comparable weight to the Superb and you feel that on the road. Despite being an older car the V40 scores far better than the Superb as does the V90.

 

The low weight may assist the Superb in terms of  fuel consumption ands acceleration but I've never has a car so affected by side winds and aquaplaning.

 

The infotainment in the Skoda is not that good and the DAB is terrible. Yes the Skoda can sound better but it's a work car and the opportunities to use that are limited. I'm a huge hi-fi fan and collect some of the best vintage car hi-fi with the best of that being in my fun cars. I also have a serious system at home and a very capable one in my shed/workshop. The difference between the Skoda and Volvo for what I use the car for is not great and not a deciding factor.

 

The half leather in the Skoda wasnt avaiable due to a "conflict" that prevented the beige the dealers insisted was available not being so. Even Skoda UK took a week to make their minds up that while the no cost option was there for beige leather should be there Skoda were only supplying black. Instead I went for Alcantara and it's great even the heavy wear edges that can turn black (my job) clean up and look like new. There's no way I would have a Superb in leather by equally I never felt the Volvo seats were as comfortable finised with hide. They feel harder with less ability to conform. I don't like some of the finishes Volvo use and especially their use of varying textures of leather some of which makes it look like it's come from an elephant. Cars also sound better with fabric interiors and have superior acoustics if hi-fi is your thing. I wouldn't have leather in either.

 

I'm not much concerned about running costs because the lease company picks up those but despite the reduced service intervals my Superb has been into the garage more than any other I've had and my colleagues who selected the same car report the same with most of us suffering clutch and timing belt issues as well as corrosion on rear discs.

 

I love auto gearboxes and all of my toys have them but the DSG never seems to be in the right gear and while my experience is generally limited to courtesy cars and work related activities testing vehicles I'm pretty sure any fuzzy logic would have learned my driving style but never did. I would love to like the DSG but just don't. I recall on earlier superb IIIs the DGS would hang on to gears and induce exhaust resonance. That's irrelevant because I don't have that option on my company car.

 

The 190 TDI is OK but not probably not needed with 2WD but as a no cost option with zero tax implications I'd probably go for it even though any supposed benefit would rarely get used. I like having a clean licence.

 

As for your last point, the Volvo is just better. Less rattles, less body resonances, quieter, but most importantly quality remains long after the price is forgotten. There was no question my old S60 wasn't going to be bought as were several cars before it. I doubt my Superb will be purchased when the lease ends unless it is really cheap which of course it wont be because it's next life will be as a taxi. Is it worth the extra? That depends on how long you keep it and how much you appreciate small details. There are some great deals on Volvo car schemes and ex demos that offer great value.

 

I like my Superb but realise it's cheaper for a reason.

Sorry I'm for Volvos, but your reasons are really horrible lol... The gearbox from Volvo is actually not in pair with DSG from Skoda (VW really...)... Volvo has its own "dual clutch" transmission which is actually not as good as VW's... The reliability/shift speed is defo in favor of Superb/any VW here... My experience is that Volvo's auto's are really slow and sluggish. Specially at maneuvering... Karoq drove much better with DSG then a V90 I had for few days...

 

DAB on my superb works just fine, what r u talking about? I'm audiophile and I can't say Skoda's sound system is better than Volvo's, but price wise Skoda's upgrade to Canton (which is really decent with additional sub (I fitted one)) is far better than Volvos... Volvo's first option is Harman Kardon for price of 1.058€... In my opinion and ears it is NOT better than Canton in Skoda. Maybe the same, if not worse...

Leather issue sounds really just an stupid dealer stuff, nothing to do with Skoda it self... Alcantara u could get anytime in Slovenia... Though, for an audiophile, half leather is same as leather, alcantara will defo not have any influence on dampening sound weaves (half is still leather also...)... To be honest, sound wise, I sincerely heavily doubt textile or leather have any influence on sound quality or any other sound weaves dampening/rejecting or how its called... 

 

Volvo's engines are generally more noisier than Skoda's... Tho Volvo I think should/has more sound deadening as standard, so its in pair in final car. But engine it self is quieter. 

I can't say about rattles, I did have some... Body resonances, not sure what r u referring to there, but for price difference, these are a must something is better... V90 is rank of Audi A6.. Superb is NOT. Sorry but it's time you put your legs on real floor, Volvo V90 is  the most premium car of standalone company called Volvo (ford bough them but they don't share much technology) which is supposed to be the safest car on the world with high class build quality. Škoda Superb is best premium car from brand Škoda which is really old, but known for reliability and not premium quality. Last and not least Škoda will probably run for more mileage than Volvo as its delivered from VW group which is currently no.1 car manufacturer. 

Sorry I just can't agree in most cases.... 190 TDI is amazing for highway, quiet, top speed 242km/h (for roads where you can) and consumption is pretty decent, 6L / 100km... 

We have one Octavia at home, 90.000km 6 years old, there are rattles, I can't deny that, but Engine, Suspension, Electronics all work the same as first day. Perfect... Rattles can be solved and even the highest quality brands have them. 
In the end, price difference, should defo address rattles!!! If I buy a car for 62.000€, I expect ZERO rattles... Funny though, in my country Skoda gets 6 year warranty, Volvo just 2... Same for Audi, Mercedes, BMW, etc... only VW has 4 years, KIA 7 and Skoda 6...

20 minutes ago, Flatjack said:

 

Thank you, there is some great reasoning there and really appreciate the time taken.

 

For me the Superb, as my first brand new car for ten years, has surpassed all expectations and in mid-level spec with full leather and 18" wheels provided great VFM. Its quick enough for me, handles sufficiently well and is very comfortable.

 

Is also a perfect size and makes cars like the A4 seem too small in comparison.

 

I have looked very closely at Volvo's and in fact I very nearly purchased a V90 on Friday (ex-demo) but have decided to hold off and see what Skoda will offer this week.

 

If we were comparing the Superb with the Volvo offerings at the same price then I guess the Volvo would win out but for sheet value for money the Superb can't be beaten.

 

If I were going for the V60 it would be the R-Design spec and that would cost £37k RRP.

 

 

I held out to the last minute before I opted for the Superb. From 393 vehicle choices and several shortlist three were left. The Passat, the Superb and The then new A4. The A4 was the most expensive and most basic and to be honest Audi drivers are usually ****s and every other driver on the road knows that. A nice looking car but inside it had the biggest centre console I'd ever seen taking up so much space. I liked some of the design features of the Passat but the Superb just offered more including dip/main HID adapative headlamps which to me in winter after a hard days work are worth so much. . My first Insignia had these and they were were pretty good but the halogen lamps on my next one were just dire and I have cars from the 70s that have better headlights using round 5 3/4" units. HID  and LED lamp unit failures are incredibly expensive to repair so you have to have an extended warranty once the manufacturer's expires but that applies generally.

 

I ruled out another Volvo mainly because absolutely no changes had been made to the car since I took on the S60 three years before and it was too small to load anything into. The old V60 was better but incredibly ugly. I like my Superb as does everyone who has ever ridden in it from six years up but hate some of the higher frequency body resonances that cut though loud audio. Different tyres have helped but it is always there. It's similar to the noise in an aircraft and I deal with that using Bose noise cancelling head phones but these aren't of much use in a car. If you test drive one you'll hear it. My dealer did and replaced all manner of parts before deciding it was standard.

 

Price for price the Superb cannot be beaten and a new SE L Executive comes out at the same price as mine was three years ago. The Volvo as you point out is now a very expensive car and unless they release "Business Edition" cars as they did previously there is zero chance I will be buying one because I'm not prepared to pay high company car tax on a vehicle I put so few private miles on. I like my toys and drive them at every opportunity and my Superb private mileage costs around £3/mile given that I'm paying around £100/month in tax.

 

Volvo seem to market cars with massively high P11D values that put off company car drivers but then offer incredible deals to PCP and PCH buyers. Our V40 R Design costs less than the Fiat 500 and Mito before it and is a "proper" car.

 

You mention 18" wheels. While they look nice UK roads are crap and one of my hopes was that I could have the free downgrade to 17". Unfortunately that wasn't an option on my trim level. I would have been even happier with 16s like my Business Edition  S60 had.

 

39 minutes ago, JackySi said:

Sorry I'm for Volvos, but your reasons are really horrible lol... The gearbox from Volvo is actually not in pair with DSG from Skoda (VW really...)... Volvo has its own "dual clutch" transmission which is actually not as good as VW's... The reliability/shift speed is defo in favor of Superb/any VW here... My experience is that Volvo's auto's are really slow and sluggish. Specially at maneuvering... Karoq drove much better with DSG then a V90 I had for few days...

 

DAB on my superb works just fine, what r u talking about? I'm audiophile and I can't say Skoda's sound system is better than Volvo's, but price wise Skoda's upgrade to Canton (which is really decent with additional sub (I fitted one)) is far better than Volvos... Volvo's first option is Harman Kardon for price of 1.058€... In my opinion and ears it is NOT better than Canton in Skoda. Maybe the same, if not worse...

Leather issue sounds really just an stupid dealer stuff, nothing to do with Skoda it self... Alcantara u could get anytime in Slovenia... Though, for an audiophile, half leather is same as leather, alcantara will defo not have any influence on dampening sound weaves (half is still leather also...)... To be honest, sound wise, I sincerely heavily doubt textile or leather have any influence on sound quality or any other sound weaves dampening/rejecting or how its called... 

 

Volvo's engines are generally more noisier than Skoda's... Tho Volvo I think should/has more sound deadening as standard, so its in pair in final car. But engine it self is quieter. 

I can't say about rattles, I did have some... Body resonances, not sure what r u referring to there, but for price difference, these are a must something is better... V90 is rank of Audi A6.. Superb is NOT. Sorry but it's time you put your legs on real floor, Volvo V90 is  the most premium car of standalone company called Volvo (ford bough them but they don't share much technology) which is supposed to be the safest car on the world with high class build quality. Škoda Superb is best premium car from brand Škoda which is really old, but known for reliability and not premium quality. Last and not least Škoda will probably run for more mileage than Volvo as its delivered from VW group which is currently no.1 car manufacturer. 

Sorry I just can't agree in most cases.... 190 TDI is amazing for highway, quiet, top speed 242km/h (for roads where you can) and consumption is pretty decent, 6L / 100km... 

We have one Octavia at home, 90.000km 6 years old, there are rattles, I can't deny that, but Engine, Suspension, Electronics all work the same as first day. Perfect... Rattles can be solved and even the highest quality brands have them. 
In the end, price difference, should defo address rattles!!! If I buy a car for 62.000€, I expect ZERO rattles... Funny though, in my country Skoda gets 6 year warranty, Volvo just 2... Same for Audi, Mercedes, BMW, etc... only VW has 4 years, KIA 7 and Skoda 6...

Read what I said about DSG.

DSG transmissions have lots of issues at higher mileages.

DAB works fine if you stay in areas with strong signal. I can predicts where my Skoda and all loan vehicles will cut out where I never had issues with my other cars past or present.

I've heard both upgrades and neither are worth the money.

Leather issue was a factory conflict, their term for who on earth knows. Brochure said it was available. Dealer said it was available. Configurator rejected beige leather every time. Dealers still insisted it was available but my company car order rejected it every time. I eventually contacted Skoda UK and a week later they told me the beige leather option was not available at the time. No problem Alcantara is better.

Half leather is leather seat facings and PVC side and back, with Alcantara the half leather becomes a 30mm strip at the edge of the seats.

Leather reflects sound wheras cloth and Alcantara absorb it. The most expensive Rolls-Royce cars that were always chauffeur driven always came with the rear trimmed in woolcloth.

Who cares about what you hear when inside and how that's achieved. PSA use a one time fit acoustic foam screen that from memory costs £150 each time an injector is disturbed. Volvo diesel engines used to be very noisy though bit not for some years.

I don't understand you next paragraph but the UK police have used Volvos and used them hard with little problem even for hard tasked cars.

242kmh in a Superb? FFS, you'd have to be mad to try that other than a one off. As for fuel consumption 6L/100kmh is terrible. I get 5.13 - 4 depending on use and sometimes as little as 3.8 set on cruise control at national speed limits.

Manufacturer warranties are dependent upon market, protectionist policies and local business. Logically in your VW an Audi should give the same.

 

Edited 1 July, 20196 yr by byteme
changed cm to mm re: trim

48 minutes ago, byteme said:

Read what I said about DSG.

DSG transmissions have lots of issues at higher mileages.

DAB works fine if you stay in areas with strong signal. I can predicts where my Skoda and all loan vehicles will cut out where I never had issues with my other cars past or present.

I've heard both upgrades and neither are worth the money.

Leather issue was a factory conflict, their term for who on earth knows. Brochure said it was available. Dealer said it was available. Configurator rejected beige leather every time. Dealers still insisted it was available but my company car order rejected it every time. I eventually contacted Skoda UK and a week later they told me the beige leather option was not available at the time. No problem Alcantara is better.

Half leather is leather seat facings and PVC side and back, with Alcantara the half leather becomes a 30mm strip at the edge of the seats.

Leather reflects sound wheras cloth and Alcantara absorb it. The most expensive Rolls-Royce cars that were always chauffeur driven always came with the rear trimmed in woolcloth.

Who cares about what you hear when inside and how that's achieved. PSA use a one time fit acoustic foam screen that from memory costs £150 each time an injector is disturbed. Volvo diesel engines used to be very noisy though bit not for some years.

I don't understand you next paragraph but the UK police have used Volvos and used them hard with little problem even for hard tasked cars.

242kmh in a Superb? FFS, you'd have to be mad to try that other than a one off. As for fuel consumption 6L/100kmh is terrible. I get 5.13 - 4 depending on use and sometimes as little as 3.8 set on cruise control at national speed limits.

Manufacturer warranties are dependent upon market, protectionist policies and local business. Logically in your VW an Audi should give the same.

 

I hear absolute opposite about the DSG... I have quite few friends with DSG transmissions running 300k+ without ANY issues... From Audi, VW to two friends with old Octavias...
450€ for Canton upgrade??? Are you serious that's not worth an upgrade? what the hell do you get for that price? I paid 220€ for MONO car amplifier.... where are 12 speakers??? DAB idk, I don't use much as anything else but high quality MP3/Flac just sounds **** to me in any sound system/car... I did opt for it and paid it, but sadly I don't like it. However when testing it it has same reception as FM... My home speaker system cost was 15.000€ for speakers alone... Though, these do sound much better than Canton and even Bower & Wilkins in Volvo... Easy to say that's uncomparable. 

 

Alcantara is just an cover... Bellow its "textile" which is just partial as half of seat is leather anyway??? Which is what my point was. Actually I care very much about what you hear inside, and if you're an audiophile you should too? Each noise from outside the car will influence sound quality in the car... I spent over 500€ on noise insulation in my Superb (work was all done by my self) and the difference is day and night. And for the reason of Noise Insulation ALONE i'm never getting an car without really good sound deadening. If Lexus would have avants I'd get Lexus for sure... Superbs are also used hard for police, here in Slovenia 80% police cars are Skoda... They only use Renault Traffic for the "careta" idk how its called in English. Normal police cars are Octavias only... Even highway patrol has a lot of Skoda's. 

6L (15.000km average) for 235/45R18 tyres 99% highways 140-150km/h is low consumption for 190hp/140kw engine sorry.... Hmm what??? 242km/h isn't a lot for Superb? DCC on Normal its stable as rock... Even 280hp version goes stable as rock on Audobahn without any issues over 250km/h... You're talking about Superb like its an toy car...

I had really heavy car crash with Octavia in 2012 and I survived without any damage 120km/h head on collision. Other car was very badly messed up and people got hurt no one will ever tell me Škoda is not a safe car...... Not to mention I had most of car taken apart for noise insulation and I found build quality really good. Yeah truly some plastics create noise, but that's just design issue because I sincerely doubt engineers put much thought on that... But every piece of car interior feels good when you touch it... Even the sides for bottles... In fact I found new A6 interior quality some how same/worse than Superbs. Was not impressed AT all... Informatenment system is defo better (faster) and perhaps steering wheel and few other parts, but dash it self is crappy plastic that if you knock on sounds like the Škoda City crap... The doors are horrible... And I found many other things crap about it. 

13 hours ago, JackySi said:

I hear absolute opposite about the DSG... I have quite few friends with DSG transmissions running 300k+ without ANY issues... From Audi, VW to two friends with old Octavias...
450€ for Canton upgrade??? Are you serious that's not worth an upgrade? what the hell do you get for that price? I paid 220€ for MONO car amplifier.... where are 12 speakers??? DAB idk, I don't use much as anything else but high quality MP3/Flac just sounds **** to me in any sound system/car... I did opt for it and paid it, but sadly I don't like it. However when testing it it has same reception as FM... My home speaker system cost was 15.000€ for speakers alone... Though, these do sound much better than Canton and even Bower & Wilkins in Volvo... Easy to say that's uncomparable. 

 

Alcantara is just an cover... Bellow its "textile" which is just partial as half of seat is leather anyway??? Which is what my point was. Actually I care very much about what you hear inside, and if you're an audiophile you should too? Each noise from outside the car will influence sound quality in the car... I spent over 500€ on noise insulation in my Superb (work was all done by my self) and the difference is day and night. And for the reason of Noise Insulation ALONE i'm never getting an car without really good sound deadening. If Lexus would have avants I'd get Lexus for sure... Superbs are also used hard for police, here in Slovenia 80% police cars are Skoda... They only use Renault Traffic for the "careta" idk how its called in English. Normal police cars are Octavias only... Even highway patrol has a lot of Skoda's. 

6L (15.000km average) for 235/45R18 tyres 99% highways 140-150km/h is low consumption for 190hp/140kw engine sorry.... Hmm what??? 242km/h isn't a lot for Superb? DCC on Normal its stable as rock... Even 280hp version goes stable as rock on Audobahn without any issues over 250km/h... You're talking about Superb like its an toy car...

I had really heavy car crash with Octavia in 2012 and I survived without any damage 120km/h head on collision. Other car was very badly messed up and people got hurt no one will ever tell me Škoda is not a safe car...... Not to mention I had most of car taken apart for noise insulation and I found build quality really good. Yeah truly some plastics create noise, but that's just design issue because I sincerely doubt engineers put much thought on that... But every piece of car interior feels good when you touch it... Even the sides for bottles... In fact I found new A6 interior quality some how same/worse than Superbs. Was not impressed AT all... Informatenment system is defo better (faster) and perhaps steering wheel and few other parts, but dash it self is crappy plastic that if you knock on sounds like the Škoda City crap... The doors are horrible... And I found many other things crap about it. 

 

13 hours ago, JackySi said:

I hear absolute opposite about the DSG... I have quite few friends with DSG transmissions running 300k+ without ANY issues... From Audi, VW to two friends with old Octavias...
450€ for Canton upgrade??? Are you serious that's not worth an upgrade? what the hell do you get for that price? I paid 220€ for MONO car amplifier.... where are 12 speakers??? DAB idk, I don't use much as anything else but high quality MP3/Flac just sounds **** to me in any sound system/car... I did opt for it and paid it, but sadly I don't like it. However when testing it it has same reception as FM... My home speaker system cost was 15.000€ for speakers alone... Though, these do sound much better than Canton and even Bower & Wilkins in Volvo... Easy to say that's uncomparable. 

 

Alcantara is just an cover... Bellow its "textile" which is just partial as half of seat is leather anyway??? Which is what my point was. Actually I care very much about what you hear inside, and if you're an audiophile you should too? Each noise from outside the car will influence sound quality in the car... I spent over 500€ on noise insulation in my Superb (work was all done by my self) and the difference is day and night. And for the reason of Noise Insulation ALONE i'm never getting an car without really good sound deadening. If Lexus would have avants I'd get Lexus for sure... Superbs are also used hard for police, here in Slovenia 80% police cars are Skoda... They only use Renault Traffic for the "careta" idk how its called in English. Normal police cars are Octavias only... Even highway patrol has a lot of Skoda's. 

6L (15.000km average) for 235/45R18 tyres 99% highways 140-150km/h is low consumption for 190hp/140kw engine sorry.... Hmm what??? 242km/h isn't a lot for Superb? DCC on Normal its stable as rock... Even 280hp version goes stable as rock on Audobahn without any issues over 250km/h... You're talking about Superb like its an toy car...

I had really heavy car crash with Octavia in 2012 and I survived without any damage 120km/h head on collision. Other car was very badly messed up and people got hurt no one will ever tell me Škoda is not a safe car...... Not to mention I had most of car taken apart for noise insulation and I found build quality really good. Yeah truly some plastics create noise, but that's just design issue because I sincerely doubt engineers put much thought on that... But every piece of car interior feels good when you touch it... Even the sides for bottles... In fact I found new A6 interior quality some how same/worse than Superbs. Was not impressed AT all... Informatenment system is defo better (faster) and perhaps steering wheel and few other parts, but dash it self is crappy plastic that if you knock on sounds like the Škoda City crap... The doors are horrible... And I found many other things crap about it. 

You say "Alcantara is just an cover... Bellow its "textile" which is just partial as half of seat is leather anyway??? Which is what my point was. I don't know what your point was. Superb leather seats are half leather with only the front facings being hide, the sides and back are all PVC. With Alcantara the leather is just a thin strip at the juntion of both. If you don't recognise how reducing sound reflective surfaces with sound absorbent ones in a car is beneficial you're not an audiophile. If you'd spent 15000 Euro on speakers you'd know that the cheap Canton upgrade will not have bought much.

 

That really heavy car crash you speak of should have been a lesson to you. A Superb is not stable and never intended to operate close to it's maximum speed.  In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver.

50 minutes ago, byteme said:

  In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver.

 

Just out of interest do you own a Skoda ? Imo you don't seem to be making a very good impression of yourself considering you are new to the forum ….

I've toyed with swapping my L&K for a V90 as I am on my 2nd Superb and maybe fancied a change 

 

If one can afford a V90 in their 🦄 specification then go ahead a buy it , it's a great car and one would have a pleasure owning it 

 

And 

 

If one can afford a Superb in their 🦄 specification then go ahead and buy it , it's a great car and one would have pleasure owning it (as I have twice)

 

Basically yes, they are in different classes and are priced accordingly

 

Each has their plus points and their negative points but I've yet to met an owner of either model that thoroughly and absolutely hated their car in isolation both are spot on but no car is perfect

 

 

Edited 1 July, 20196 yr by Zenbasses

17 minutes ago, Zenbasses said:

 

 

Each has their plus points and their negative points but I've yet to met an owner of either model that thoroughly and absolutely hated their car in isolation both are spot on but no car is perfect

 

 

 

Unlike Superb drivers who are all perfect 😁

35 minutes ago, Nick_H said:

 

Just out of interest do you own a Skoda ? Imo you don't seem to be making a very good impression of yourself considering you are new to the forum ….

What makes you think I'm new and WTF cares what you think? If you're so interested in me and what I drive just read back. Your response to a statement I made "   In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver." It is not inaccurate to say that. At no time did Skoda ever plan for the Superb to be driven at that speed as it lack the aerodynamics and brakes required and if you disagree with that then you're just ignorant of how quickly and easily things go wrong at speed just as the OP was.

On 30/06/2019 at 12:14, Tom34 said:

Considering waiting for the new Octavia to see how much it will differ from the Superb in spec and price. Slightly less boot space but if it's thousands difference in price then might be worth it. 

 

Scrap that found a 16 plate Superb 280 yesterday that ticked all the boxes for me. Pick up tomorrow, can't wait. 

36 minutes ago, byteme said:

What makes you think I'm new and WTF cares what you think? If you're so interested in me and what I drive just read back. Your response to a statement I made "   In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver." It is not inaccurate to say that. At no time did Skoda ever plan for the Superb to be driven at that speed as it lack the aerodynamics and brakes required and if you disagree with that then you're just ignorant of how quickly and easily things go wrong at speed just as the OP was.

 

Nice one ….

50 minutes ago, byteme said:

What makes you think I'm new and WTF cares what you think? If you're so interested in me and what I drive just read back. Your response to a statement I made "   In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver." It is not inaccurate to say that. At no time did Skoda ever plan for the Superb to be driven at that speed as it lack the aerodynamics and brakes required and if you disagree with that then you're just ignorant of how quickly and easily things go wrong at speed just as the OP was.

Don't think any road car was planned to do 250kph on a regular basis.. Volvo has even stated their cars will be limited to 180kph (not sure if its on cars rolling out of the factory today or in the future)

Edited 1 July, 20196 yr by pjkw

46 minutes ago, byteme said:

What makes you think I'm new and WTF cares what you think? If you're so interested in me and what I drive just read back. Your response to a statement I made "   In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver." It is not inaccurate to say that. At no time did Skoda ever plan for the Superb to be driven at that speed as it lack the aerodynamics and brakes required and if you disagree with that then you're just ignorant of how quickly and easily things go wrong at speed just as the OP was.

 

You are vrs-thingyface with his 1 billion HP Octavia. I claim my five pounds 

 

You're not wrong about speed though. Only the other day I almost crashed at 50mph. I even had to put down my bag of chips and take my feet off the passenger seat to grab the steering wheel.

Don't feed the troll...

53 minutes ago, byteme said:

What makes you think I'm new and WTF cares what you think? If you're so interested in me and what I drive just read back. Your response to a statement I made "   In relative terms the Superb is a toy car and if you think driving one at over 250kph is safe you're a toy driver." It is not inaccurate to say that. At no time did Skoda ever plan for the Superb to be driven at that speed as it lack the aerodynamics and brakes required and if you disagree with that then you're just ignorant of how quickly and easily things go wrong at speed just as the OP was.

As you already know, Briskoda doesn't operate in the same way as such as Facebook; so everybody cares about what everyone else thinks - especially Moderators.

 

Kindly be a little bit more careful with your choice of words and all parties will be happy.

18 minutes ago, BriskodaJeff said:

Don't feed the troll...

Spoilsport 🤐

This thread has made reference to the Skoda not being in the same 'class' in terms of Audi and Volvo.

 

Is anyone able to quantify these statements?

 

Are we talking fit and finish or mechanicals?

 

e.g. is the A4 Avant still a stronger overall package?

 

 

Edited 1 July, 20196 yr by Flatjack

3 hours ago, john999boy said:

As you already know, Briskoda doesn't operate in the same way as such as Facebook; so everybody cares about what everyone else thinks - especially Moderators.

 

Kindly be a little bit more careful with your choice of words and all parties will be happy.

I don't give a **** and if someone makes a stupid comment I'll respond accordingly. Now ban me, again.