Can anyone explain why my 2015 Octavia vRS TDi isn't euro 6 compatible when a similar aged (2014) Golf GTD is?  I've asked Skoda who say my car is a Euro 5+ but they can't seem to explain what the difference is...

 

 

Euro 1 to Euro 6 video guide – find out your vehicle's emissions standard

 

You'd have found cars around the time before that were already meeting euro 6, there was the time between it's initial launch (09/14) and it's full implementation (09/15) that engines used could be still euro 5.

 

VW and Audi cars would have had euro 6, but does appear the Skodas and SEAT's got the Euro 5 engines.

 

 

Skoda and seat always  the poor  relation of the vag group, Audi and vw come first , all to do with £££/ profit per car I guess.

Also with all this emissions stuff, why do some  euro 6 have adblue and some dont . Adblue reduces  the nox, so maybe they should  be classed as euro 7 and come with free road tax for life, along with half price fuel for as long as you own the car   😎

 

 

There is always 2 introduction dates

First one applies to new models 

Second one (12 months later) is latest existing models need to be changed by

Can be changed anytime before these deadlines

 

 

6 hours ago, 310golfr said:

Also with all this emissions stuff, why do some  euro 6 have adblue and some dont . Adblue reduces  the nox, so maybe they should  be classed as euro 7 and come with free road tax for life, along with half price fuel for as long as you own the car   😎

 

I think it's EV you are looking for  free road tax for life, 1/4 price per mile compared to 55mpg diesel.

7 hours ago, 310golfr said:

Skoda and seat always  the poor  relation of the vag group, Audi and vw come first , all to do with £££/ profit per car I guess.

Also with all this emissions stuff, why do some  euro 6 have adblue and some dont . Adblue reduces  the nox, so maybe they should  be classed as euro 7 and come with free road tax for life, along with half price fuel for as long as you own the car   😎

 

 

Would be ok if they even met euro 6 but they don’t, they are well over the limit set in 2014. And have had a huge allowance for the last year, over 3 times the 2014 limit!! From 1st September it drops to 2.1 times the limit and hence they are struggling dropping some versions. From 2021 it is 1.5 times the limit. 

 

Petrols generally don’t have a problem, it’s diesels. They should never have allowed them allowance.  Disgraceful.

 

 

I have an early 2015 Galaxy and it’s Euro 5. Never heard of 5+ which is irrelevant in any case.  Euro 6 became mandatory from September 2015, was meaningless as they all especially vag corrupted the system and sold diesels emitting many times the nox limit in the real world. Dome independent tests have seen 12x the euro 6 nox limit from diesels.  

 

 

12 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Would be ok if they even met euro 6 but they don’t, they are well over the limit set in 2014. And have had a huge allowance for the last year, over 3 times the 2014 limit!! From 1st September it drops to 2.1 times the limit and hence they are struggling dropping some versions. From 2021 it is 1.5 times the limit. 

 

Petrols generally don’t have a problem, it’s diesels. They should never have allowed them allowance.  Disgraceful.

 

 

isnt'nt  it co2 thats destroying the planet and petrol cars produce more co2 than diesel cars

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

I think it's EV you are looking for  free road tax for life, 1/4 price per mile compared to 55mpg diesel.

wont last forever though with electric cars, they'll get you some other way  😂😂

22 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Would be ok if they even met euro 6 but they don’t, they are well over the limit set in 2014. And have had a huge allowance for the last year, over 3 times the 2014 limit!! From 1st September it drops to 2.1 times the limit and hence they are struggling dropping some versions. From 2021 it is 1.5 times the limit. 

 

Petrols generally don’t have a problem, it’s diesels. They should never have allowed them allowance.  Disgraceful.

 

 

Instead of quoting the target figures and complaining about that, why not look at the actual emissions and see what cars actually produce?

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6733271/Are-diesel-cars-really-dirty-Tests-reveal-models-produce-zero-NOx-emissions.html

27 minutes ago, 310golfr said:

isnt'nt  it co2 thats destroying the planet and petrol cars produce more co2 than diesel cars

CO2 kills the planet, NOX kills you 😬😬

11 minutes ago, Rustynuts said:

Instead of quoting the target figures and complaining about that, why not look at the actual emissions and see what cars actually produce?

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6733271/Are-diesel-cars-really-dirty-Tests-reveal-models-produce-zero-NOx-emissions.html

 should send that above link to boris or jeremy, maybe they'll hold there hands up and admit we got it wrong  😀

i doubt it though, probably claim it wasnt them that voted for it   🤪

Just now, Kenai said:

CO2 kills the planet, NOX kills you 😬😬

read the above link

23 minutes ago, 310golfr said:

isnt'nt  it co2 thats destroying the planet and petrol cars produce more co2 than diesel cars

That is true. Hence people were pushed to buy diesel.

 

But since VW Dieselgate, people are now aware that diesels produce a lot more NOX, which are very harmful locally to anyone breathing in the air. Hence the ULEZ charges.

 

17 minutes ago, 310golfr said:

wont last forever though with electric cars, they'll get you some other way  😂😂

Hence buy EV now just like how people bought their cheap tax cars before 2017.   Road tax has never been applied retrospectively, so far. They'll get you another way but existing EV's should remain free with road tax.

 

I'm paying £30 road tax for my Skoda dirty diesel and £0 for my Leaf EV. 10p per mile in the diesel, 2.5p per mile in EV. £120 minor service for Skoda and £0 minor service for EV because there's no engine oil or filters, just rely on MOT for checks. Cheapest motoring ever.

10 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

That is true. Hence people were pushed to buy diesel.

 

But since VW Dieselgate, people are now aware that diesels produce a lot more NOX, which are very harmful locally to anyone breathing in the air. Hence the ULEZ charges.

 

Hence buy EV now just like how people bought their cheap tax cars before 2017.   Road tax has never been applied retrospectively, so far. They'll get you another way but existing EV's should remain free with road tax.

 

I'm paying £30 road tax for my Skoda dirty diesel and £0 for my Leaf EV. 10p per mile in the diesel, 2.5p per mile in EV. £120 minor service for Skoda and £0 minor service for EV because there's no engine oil or filters, just rely on MOT for checks. Cheapest motoring ever.

all batterys have a shelf life though and the batteries aint cheap

you need to factor in this cost, you could always sell it before it needs a new battery i suppose, but people will get wise to this and cars will be worth alot less

24 minutes ago, 310golfr said:

 should send that above link to boris or jeremy, maybe they'll hold there hands up and admit we got it wrong  😀

i doubt it though, probably claim it wasnt them that voted for it   🤪

read the above link

Interesting link yet 2 years ago they were reporting their tests showing nox at 10 to 15 times published figures, which does beg the question - have manufacturers really managed to go from zero to hero in a couple of years or has something changed with their testing methods? 

 

In 2017 they tested a Renault dci at over 700mg/km, now they're testing cars 2 years later at virtually zero? Something doesn't stack up. 

 

11 minutes ago, Kenai said:

Interesting link yet 2 years ago they were reporting their tests showing nox at 10 to 15 times published figures, which does beg the question - have manufacturers really managed to go from zero to hero in a couple of years or has something changed with their testing methods? 

 

In 2017 they tested a Renault dci at over 700mg/km, now they're testing cars 2 years later at virtually zero? Something doesn't stack up. 

 

the addition of adblue has a big effect on reducing nox , and not all diesel engines have almost zero nox

but it shows you what can be done and how unfairly diesels are being looked  apon.

 

50 minutes ago, 310golfr said:

all batterys have a shelf life though and the batteries aint cheap

you need to factor in this cost, you could always sell it before it needs a new battery i suppose, but people will get wise to this and cars will be worth alot less

Battery are said to last the lifetime of the car. EV battery are much better and will degrade much slower than laptop/smart phone batteries.

 

Most laptop/phone battery wouldn't last after 4 years. But my almost 5 years old EV has 87% of its original capacity, still drives just as well as when I bought it. I don't see any problem driving it into the ground, beyond 10 years.

 

If they don't last as promised, I agree, it would be like selling a diesel before DPF is filled up. Next owner's problem :p

3 hours ago, 310golfr said:

isnt'nt  it co2 thats destroying the planet and petrol cars produce more co2 than diesel cars

The difference is marginal on c02. Diesels have been producing a hell of a lot more than claimed. NOX is the people killer. 

2 hours ago, 310golfr said:

the addition of adblue has a big effect on reducing nox , and not all diesel engines have almost zero nox

but it shows you what can be done and how unfairly diesels are being looked  apon.

 

Not unfairly at all and still not as they are still much dirtier than they are supposed to be. Over a 3 times the limit allowance until September! Absolutely ridiculous. Don’t fool yourself that diesels are now clean . 

6 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

NOX is the people killer

So indirectly enhancing the lower CO2 'footprint' of diesels. Win win

6 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Not unfairly at all and still not as they are still much dirtier than they are supposed to be. Over a 3 times the limit allowance until September! Absolutely ridiculous. Don’t fool yourself that diesels are now clean . 

we are comparing the latest diesel v petrol, not old style diesels

do diesels prodfuce less co2 than oetrols  -  yes

do some diesels produce zero nox --  yes

based on the 2 questions above, are diesels being unfairly targeted - yes

4 hours ago, Kenai said:

CO2 kills the planet, NOX kills you 😬😬

 

In both scenarios we die. Mind you if cars produced no Co2 and no NOX we'll still die.

5 hours ago, Rustynuts said:

Instead of quoting the target figures and complaining about that, why not look at the actual emissions and see what cars actually produce?

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6733271/Are-diesel-cars-really-dirty-Tests-reveal-models-produce-zero-NOx-emissions.html

Lets wait and see the official wltp tests. Rag reports are irrelevant. Especially the models without ad blue, ie most! Same for c02. They have no choice but to comply.

6 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Lets wait and see the official wltp tests. Rag reports are irrelevant. Especially the models without ad blue, ie most! Same for c02. They have no choice but to comply.

 

In the interests of fairness, can you provide any evidence of massive over egging of the Euro 6 standards?

Just now, Rustynuts said:

 

In the interests of fairness, can you provide any evidence of massive over egging of the Euro 6 standards?

Don’t really understand the question

 

The euro 6 standards are as laid down. They were set in 2014. Only to find out years later they were being massively fiddled by most. NOX and C02 Hence why they all cried to the authorities that they couldn’t really get any where near them at the time and needed a couple of years at much higher levels to comply. Stupidly the eu allowed it. 

 

Very few diesel cars made before 2018 would meet euro 6 in its true sense tested properly. Various Independent wltp tests had most at 4-12 times higher than the limit. Less than a couple of years ago.