Valutation query

[Alex-W]

Fd2 civic type r.

[vRSAnt]

Appreciate the opinion mate. I know they are amazing choices but I'm not really keen on them, I'd more likely go Seat direction but not dead keen on that either

Hard man to please

If I was being entirely impractical I'd go for a VX220.....

[Alex-W]

Ergh too much money on an old vauxhall.

 

 

I really wanted an S2000, they have one of the best engines ever made... but had to change plans due to second child being due next month and that not being a practical choice.

They're just going up in value so I've probably missed my opportunity now ☹️

[vRSAnt]

Yes that would make sense, only issue is I already have a convertible sports car....
Can't get rid as it was gifted to me in family ( in a way dont want too either) and its kinda just too similar
Reckon they be good for appreciation long term tho

[Guest]

On 28/07/2019 at 11:47, teescom09 said:

I did a WBAC on a 18 plate RS Focus on autotrader currently, I always do that on used cars.  The trade offer was slightly higher than the retail asking price from the selling dealer!! Niw theres a car holding its value amazingly, only £3k trade less than new retail over a year ago. So much for this “you lose the vat immediately you drive out bull****” 

Truth hurts 🥵

 

So did you keep your 18 plate Focus or sell it?

[Guest]

On 28/07/2019 at 18:05, maffyou said:

Worth remembering that the value anywhere online gives you should be taken with a large pinch of salt, especially WBAC. Personal experience has shown me that they rarely get anywhere near the Internet price when you actually get the car to them, regardless of the condition of your car. I’ve always found Evans Halshaw to be a more reliable indication for a valuation. 

 

I've read this several times but nobody will follow it up with the reasoning. I personally do not like WBAC because my experience is they give the lowest price but to be fair, if you've described your car accurately then the price is guaranteed for 7 days. Wish folk would explain why they haven't received the stated price rather than simply making throwaway statements.  I don't know but my guess would be that the car folk offer to WBAC ( and others ) is not the car as described in the valuation.  

 

 

[maffyou]

1 hour ago, Scot5 said:

 

I've read this several times but nobody will follow it up with the reasoning. I personally do not like WBAC because my experience is they give the lowest price

I replied to your questions in this thread on loads of detail - took me ages to type it on my phone. 

 

1 hour ago, Scot5 said:

but to be fair, if you've described your car accurately then the price is guaranteed for 7 days. Wish folk would explain why they haven't received the stated price rather than simply making throwaway statements. 

That guarantee is worthless, though, because they can find any reason they like to drop the price. You can describe it as accurately as they like but they can look at the stone chip on your bonnet and knock loads off. As I already said in a previous post, they dropped £900 from our online quote price because of a less than 2cm scratch and a tiny ding (couple of mom in size) on a rear panel. That’s absurd for what was a 5 year old C1 on really low mileage and otherwise well cared for. 

 

1 hour ago, Scot5 said:

I don't know but my guess would be that the car folk offer to WBAC ( and others ) is not the car as described in the valuation.  

Also as said in a previous post, if that was the case then why would Evan’s Halshaw have given exactly the price they quoted (which was already higher than WBAC’s)?

[*JP*]

1 hour ago, Scot5 said:

 

I've read this several times but nobody will follow it up with the reasoning. I personally do not like WBAC because my experience is they give the lowest price but to be fair, if you've described your car accurately then the price is guaranteed for 7 days. Wish folk would explain why they haven't received the stated price rather than simply making throwaway statements.  I don't know but my guess would be that the car folk offer to WBAC ( and others ) is not the car as described in the valuation.  

 

 

I would say you are totally correct.If you read and accept their terms and conditions so if the price is downgraded it is for reasons of condition that you should expect.

In other words if your car is as good as it should be then you will get their pre quoted price.

But it's important to look at several of these sites,WBAC,Evans Halshaw and some smaller ones.

They will all use the CAP guide as their base but plus or minus depending on their individual current stock position and no doubt other individual factors.

If you have a modern "specialist" type car (sports/prestige) it's worth trying a site like Tootle where trade buyers put in bids over a week or so and the price will be better than the bulk trade buyers.

 

EDIT Never had experience of WBAC,they may be sharks, I've heard their appraisers get commission based on what they can knock off.

Personally I've sold 2 cars to Mike Brewer after an on line valuation and had no problems

 

Edited 1 August, 2019 by *JP*

[teescom09]

On 01/08/2019 at 15:22, Scot5 said:

 

So did you keep your 18 plate Focus or sell it?

Wasn’t my RS it is/was advertised in autotrader.  Was Toying with getting an RS after getting rid of VRS. 

[vRSAnt]

She being kept "bang tidy" by me these days if you excuse the Lemon-ism, with doing hardly any miles.
Going to be detailing over weekend and then no doubt will help with changing my mind over this silliness

Still have yet to really contemplate a valid alternative, exactly same boat as I was in when I decided on the car 4 years ago.......I suppose going more compact and focussed would be nice though.

Certainly not going to be messing with any jokers like WBAC thanks.

[Guest]

On 01/08/2019 at 17:01, maffyou said:

I replied to your questions in this thread on loads of detail - took me ages to type it on my phone. 

 

That guarantee is worthless, though, because they can find any reason they like to drop the price. You can describe it as accurately as they like but they can look at the stone chip on your bonnet and knock loads off. As I already said in a previous post, they dropped £900 from our online quote price because of a less than 2cm scratch and a tiny ding (couple of mom in size) on a rear panel. That’s absurd for what was a 5 year old C1 on really low mileage and otherwise well cared for. 

 

Also as said in a previous post, if that was the case then why would Evan’s Halshaw have given exactly the price they quoted (which was already higher than WBAC’s)?

 

Ridiculous answer if I may say so. Evans H and WBAC are two seperate companies.  The answer is actualy in your own reply but you fail to see it.  "They can look at a stone chip on your bonnet and knock loads off".  Same goes for the scratch and the ding. It doesn't matter if they knock £1,000,000 off the price because if you've described that stone chip in the description then the price they quote will reflect that damage.

 

Now if you're saying you didn't mention the stone chip, no matter how minor you think it is, WBAC obviously concentrate on that more than others and knock off a larger sum. But you are entirely wrong to say that WBAC somehow arbitrarily alter the price when you turn up. If the seller doesn't describe the car accurately then it's the fault of the seller, not WBAC.

Edited 2 August, 2019 by Guest

[Guest]

On 28/07/2019 at 11:47, teescom09 said:

I did a WBAC on a 18 plate RS Focus on autotrader currently, I always do that on used cars.  The trade offer was slightly higher than the retail asking price from the selling dealer!! Niw theres a car holding its value amazingly, only £3k trade less than new retail over a year ago. So much for this “you lose the vat immediately you drive out bull****” 

Truth hurts 🥵

 

Just look at Maffyou's  posts. If you haven't even seen the car let alone taken it to WBAC to sell then how can you have received a valuation with any accuracy?

 

"The trade offer was slightly higher than the retail asking price from the selling dealer!! "

 

Come on, let's start using common sense here.   If that were true then the dealer would make more money selling the car to WBAC than to you. Salesmen aren't stupid.

 

Is it possible to sell a used car for more than than the retail price? Of course it is...  but only when you can't actaully buy the car at the retail price , usually because there's none available. It's supply and demand.

 

[vRSAnt]

So there is now a 2014 car by dunc69 fairly like mine now selling, a really nice car slightly different spec but pretty similar other than colour preferences and his roof (whilst mine has Canton and the full leather, couldn't stand the fabric on the seats myself they dirty quickly).

Will be interesting to guage how well that sells as he's got it up for a tiny bit more than I'd want for mine, seems reasonable with the nice roof.
I would imagine he's going for the quicker sale now he has his car though too and it should be priced to sell, though in my case I'm not even sure I want or need to/

He went for the stinger 3.3 a bit rich for me that though, would be like 3x what this is worth doesn't justify the spend for me
but then I'm more motivated by putting the money aside for saving / mortgage than spending that kinda wonga on a car !!
Massive kudos for him seeing what he wanted and going for it though.

Personally I kinda wonder though If I'd be better with something like an older XKR which is more depreciation proofed, with one within my budget ? Or other options. Although the ownership of a car like that might prove equally expensive.

[vRSAnt]

On 28/07/2019 at 07:12, dunc69 said:

Go to Autotrader, click on ‘sell’, put in your reg and mileage and they will suggest a selling price.  Shouldn’t be too far off the value in my experience.  

 

Obviously, if in mint condition, you might get a little more.  

Thanks mate. I did this ( no need to go near WBAC so hopefully that thread discussion side can die a death now, and I have no need of such a quick sale service anyway).
It does recommend to put up for 10,461

Mr car is pretty mint, I do more cleaning of it then driving nowadays ! + with Black its almost an obsession but does look great when clean.
I would definitely aim for around that and the derisory quick seller routes are off the cars for me.

If I did sell but I'm in no rush, I will leave the focus on your car for now.

 

Similar to what yours is up for, but I'd say yours is a bit more unique with the lovely roof should have no issues with selling for a good price. GLWS on your car Dunc!

[dunc69]

22 minutes ago, vRSAnt said:

Thanks mate. I did this ( no need to go near WBAC so hopefully that thread discussion side can die a death now, and I have no need of such a quick sale service anyway).
It does recommend to put up for 10,461

Mr car is pretty mint, I do more cleaning of it then driving nowadays ! + with Black its almost an obsession but does look great when clean.
I would definitely aim for around that and the derisory quick seller routes are off the cars for me.

If I did sell but I'm in no rush, I will leave the focus on your car for now.

 

Similar to what yours is up for, but I'd say yours is a bit more unique with the lovely roof should have no issues with selling for a good price. GLWS on your car Dunc!

Cheers buddy!! Fingers crossed.  

[teescom09]

On 02/08/2019 at 22:27, Scot5 said:

 

Just look at Maffyou's  posts. If you haven't even seen the car let alone taken it to WBAC to sell then how can you have received a valuation with any accuracy?

 

"The trade offer was slightly higher than the retail asking price from the selling dealer!! "

 

Come on, let's start using common sense here.   If that were true then the dealer would make more money selling the car to WBAC than to you. Salesmen aren't stupid.

 

Is it possible to sell a used car for more than than the retail price? Of course it is...  but only when you can't actaully buy the car at the retail price , usually because there's none available. It's supply and demand.

 

What?

 

All WBAC valuation and all online valuations are done assuming the car is in good condition with no significant damage or faults. Only after your valuation when you attend do any faults get highlighted and deducted at a fixed cost per category EXACTLY the same as at the end of a lease that many on here e do.

 

The car was valued slightly higher by wbac than the dealers price. Fact truth boo hoo. 

 

If you think I’m a wrong you could have checked it yourself, takes 1 minute !!!! I always Wbac before buying to see how much it is really worth. Wbac pay you what they quoted if there are no categorised faults. End off no bull**** or made up shine on this crap  site.    

 

Edited 4 August, 2019 by teescom09

[dunc69]

2 hours ago, teescom09 said:

What?

 

All WBAC valuation and all online valuations are done assuming the car is in good condition with no significant damage or faults. Only after your valuation when you attend do any faults get highlighted and deducted at a fixed cost per category EXACTLY the same as at the end of a lease that many on here e do.

 

The car was valued slightly higher by wbac than the dealers price. Fact truth boo hoo. 

 

If you think I’m a wrong you could have checked it yourself, takes 1 minute !!!! I always Wbac before buying to see how much it is really worth. Wbac pay you what they quoted if there are no categorised faults. End off no bull**** or made up shine on this crap  site.    

 

Haha, @teescom09, do you work for WBAC? 🤣

[vRSAnt]

Might have fallen on some blocked ears so just to repeat:
"No need to go near WBAC so hopefully that thread discussion side can die a death now, and I have no need of such a quick sale service anyway"

Feel free to get your own sodding WBAC thread mind, its kinda getting beyond old now hearing only about WBAC, I had a decent quote recommended by Dunc from autotrader so rolling with that as a rough suggesion. Cheers

 

 

 

 

[vRSAnt]

Do you know how you set out to do something and end up doing something else ?
I spent most my time trying to detail the MG then trying to make less of a mess of the damage on the wifes car.....

I spent the sum amount of about half an hour cleaning the car and maybe another hour with claybar / polishing although it may have been a bit more
Not quite so good as in the pics need to polish out some small touched up paint chips on front edge of the bonnet etc.

Kind of satifiying but then the rain came down.....

Still wondering what I would get as good as this car or if I'm best to stick

[dunc69]

@vRSAnt buddy, stunning car!! 

 

If you love it, keep it! 

[vRSAnt]

Ah one of the considerations is colour. Black is love/hate and its becoming a bit of a chore

( but might go to getting a cover that can help protect your car cleanliness - and against random scratches - perhaps might help.
e.g. even unwanted or even our own domestically cats)

Love it when its been cleaned and polished, the rest of the time is meh
Whilst my Fabia can stand unwashed in yellow and you would never know it

[dunc69]

Yep, colour / cleanliness is definitely an issue.

 

My white one is the same as black. Gorgeous when clean, looks crap five minutes later (muddy Somerset roads). 

 

Mrs Dunc’s Tungsten Silver Golf and the Stinger in Ceramic just don’t seem to show the dirt - until the wheels get covered in brake dust!