https://electrek.co/2020/11/25/vw-id4-electric-suv-official-epa-range-250-miles/

The important Real World Figure that needs showing is the max or min you might get with 100kg sat in every seat with a belt and 4 or 5 23kg cases in the boot / frunk.

Then give the figures with just a 100kg driver and a flask and munchies.

 

 

Real world range varies for everyone, mainly due to driving style. A standardised range test like this allows consumers to compare apples to apples with regards to potential range. 

 

I believe in future focus will be on miles per kilowatt hour, as electricity prices rise at rapid chargers. I still pay attention to cost per mile.

 

I think VW are being conservative with WLTP / EPA range claims to avoid more bad press after dieselgate. It seems the ID.3 owners are getting similar results to claimed range.

It seems that those drivers alone in the car are getting figures similar to official ones.

It is more interesting or important to those that will have their family and pets in animals or bikes on a rack to hear what those doing the same get.

 

I am paying nothing at Rapid Chargers much as many others are not paying in Scotland, but slowly that is changing with some council areas.

Edited 25 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

I always take WLTP rating to be absolute maximum, EPA to be higher typical, 80% of EPA to be typical minimum. 

 

I recall the Chevy Bolt dash display shows the normal range guess-o-meter with a min and max figure. I haven't seen any other cars do that. But I prefer Tesla's typical range readout, calculating based on last few miles of driving makes no sense. 

I am getting a ID.3 for a long weekends try once the tier lock down and travelling is lifted, mid December hopefully.

 

Bloody cold this morning, the local rapid charger 1 mile away not starting same as yesterday.

I am losing a lot of charge from topped to 98% then driving 8 miles and topping up again. (just checking things)

This morning that was showing as down to 80% when back onto the charger from yesterday.

 

I am only checking just now so i know how much charging i will need to be doing and battery heating and car heating plugged in at home or at a public charger before longer trips at below 0*oc temp nights or days.

 

Starting from frozen glass this morning deicing by just starting my e-Corsa took a couple of minutes, but i found out that there was no heated mirrors or they are not working and that is pretty crap.

 

Vauxhall Connect is really crap as drops out of some functions even though Bluetooth connected or plugged in.

Different total miles showing in different sections like 'Miles to Servicing' & Car Info of miles covered, and sometimes while charging the car needs to be switched off to register and still will not register a charge going on.

 

EDIT, 

DOH, sorry again, missed that this was the ID.4 thread.   

No idea when i will get a we shot of one of them.   I hope they have decent 'All Season Tyres' as an OEM fit.

Edited 26 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Volkswagen ID 4 1st Max 2021 review (autocar.co.uk)

 

Looks like Autocar may have broken an embargo, I'm getting 'page not found'.....

New review by Autoguful

 

 

Edited 11 December, 20205 yr by Luckypants

 

Big question for me, which will be out first - ID.4 or Enyaq?

I think the other big question is will they get the software working properly before the Ioniq 5 launches early in 21.  Given how good the efficiency of the current Hyundai and Kia EV's are, plus the strong warranties they give, I think VW will have some stiff SUV competition even before the Tesla Y is available from Germany.   Rumours are that the Ioniq 5 will be launched this financial year. 

@widdershins

Will Skoda have the Software working correctly for every function before the Enyaq gets delivered to customers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

10 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@widdershins

Will Skoda have the Software working correctly for every function before the Enyaq gets delivered to customers?

Probably not - the ID.3s currently being delivered are having huge software updates (over 8 hours) with an even bigger software update already scheduled for February.

 

VAG are definitely using customers (not only ID.3 but also Golf 8 and Octavia IV) as alpha/beta software testers

On 15/12/2020 at 15:59, PetrolDave said:

VAG are definitely using customers  

 

FTFY  

Of the ID4, Enyaq, and the Ioniq 5, I'm a bit undecided.  I prefer the interior and exterior styling of the Enyaq over the ID4, and don't really like the grille on the Ioniq 5 that much.  However the battery, power systems, & drivetrain may sway me towards the Ioniq 5.  especially as I can't see the grille from inside.  Rumours are surfacing of 58 & 73Kw batteries with WLTP of 280/342 miles.  The current Kona has a real world average of 245mls for a WLTP of 301mls for reference, so I'd expect the 58KW battery to give around 240 real miles and the 73KW one to perhaps hit 300 miles.. 

 

Most significantly though, a charging time (I'm assuming for the smaller battery) of 20-80% in just 15 mins.  Providing of course that you can access a suitable charger.  Which is the big catch at present for long trips, but hopefully as take-up increases more new chargers will open up on major routes, with higher charge speeds.  That removes one of the bigger annoyances of a long journey in an EV.  The lengthy delays whilst it recharges en route.  If it can be topped up in the time it takes you to go to the loo that'd be brilliant!

1 minute ago, widdershins said:

If it can be topped up in the time it takes you to go to the loo that'd be brilliant!

When you can achieve that and rely on there being a charger available when & where you need it EVs will become a viable alternative instead of being only of minority interest.

Aye, there's the rub.  Just looked again on zap map at the chargers available on the A74/M6 which are 150Kw or higher.  One in Gretna @350Kw, an almost useless one in Preston East  @150Kw (seems to be no actual way of getting to it from North or South M6 exits without an epic detour through Preston itself ???), one in Blackburn @350Kw (involves a fair detour off Mway adding extra time), and the next working one is in Stratford-on-Avon @150Kw - but there's only one plug there so if it's broken when you get there you've got problems if you've just barely made it the 240 miles from Gretna in Scotland!  A long slow charge at a nearby  50Kw charger awaits.

 

The improvements just since I bought my Yeti in '18 have been huge, and I don't regret not choosing an EV at that time.  I'm pretty confident that the improvements in the next 2-3 years in both cars and public chargers will make buying an EV the standard choice by 2025.  With lots more cars charging at over 100Kw, competition will force motorway service stations to upgrade old 50Kw chargers in the next year or two.

The current problem with EV charging is that the good fast chargers are not on existing trunk road service stations.

 

Ecotricity Electric Highway was funded by Nissan-Renault back in 2014-ish time, it sports slow 50kW chargers for Chademo (leaf) and type 2 (Zoe). Later CCS was added to support other cars but it's known to be buggy. Ecotricity seems to have some sort of exclusivity agreement. So we don't see any other more reliable providers at these critical locations.

I believe Ecotricity have exclusive deals with Welcome Break, Roadchef and others on the motorway network.  Not sure when they were signed, or how long they are for, but I would expect they are up for renewal in the next few years given how long they have already been active.  That's not to say the operators would change, but it may bring equipment upgrades.

One can only hope.....

 

I believe Welcome Break boss drives a Tesla and have not renewed their exclusivity contract with Ecotricity. Hence Tesla chargers at their services. But I've read Moto have renewed the exclusivity contract some time ago.

 

Luckily petrol stations at major trunk road services seems to be installing their chargers (BP bought Chargemaster, Shell working with New Motion, etc) But I personally won't feel safe using petrol station chargers and walk my toddler across the petrol station forecourt to get to service station for food. The chargers should be where the cars park.

I think the reason there were Tesla chargers was that it was an attempt by Tesla to get chargers in Welcome breaks, that ended up in a legal bun fight with Ecotricity suing Tesla, and tesla countersuing.  AIUI it ended up with Tesla having to pay Ecotricity many $$$'s, which suggest that whatever contract Ecotricity had was pretty watertight.  Whether that contract has now ended or I couldn't say for certain, but since the guy behind Ecotricity has got enough pennies to pay for lawyers good enough to take down Tesla in a court battle, I'll bet Welcome Break won't be able to end the contract a minute early.

 

Here's the story I was thinking of. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/06/tesla-loses-latest-battle-with-ecotricity

 

He's quite the VW fan old Bob. ID.4 looks good though, but still no definite date for orders / delivery that I've found. Anyone got any new information?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-id-4-sale-uk-£37800