i thought i would finally get one for the winter as i have been caught out with a flat battery recently...due to mysterious fan running on

 

any chaps have these and can advise on BEST model to buy..

 

thanks

geof

This might help you on the more modern type of Jump Starter.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470075-pocket-sized-battery-jump-starter

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470075-pocket-sized-battery-jump-starter/page/2

 

 

Edited 21 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

15 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

This might help you on the more modern type of Jump Starter.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470075-pocket-sized-battery-jump-starter

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470075-pocket-sized-battery-jump-starter/page/2

 

 

 

many thanks

 

it is interesting one comment is why buy something too costly and never need it....and

how do you know it will start the car with the solution given is disconnect the battery and then start the car with the j/s

for me it would be for peace of mind but i WOULD like to have a dummy run

what do you think

 

cheers

geof

 Not sure about the best model, but I bought a Tacklife T6 from Amazon last year, in case of any battery problems. Never used it, but kept it topped up as per the instructions. When I tried to use it to run my tyre inflator, it gave up almost immediately. 

Tacklife weren’t interested, despite saying  they have a 24 month warranty. 
 

All of those small battery booster/jump starter  things you’ll see on amazon etc are just clones of one another, and the quality seems to vary a lot. 
 

I’ve been eyeing up one of the more decent looking NOCO ones instead, which whilst more expensive seem to be better quality. 

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by Gumby

6 different makes previously till I bought the best of the bunch the Noco gb70

Wouldn't it be a better idea to solve the mystery of the fan running on?

 

1 hour ago, Gumby said:

 Not sure about the best model, but I bought a Tacklife T6 from Amazon last year, in case of any battery problems. Never used it, but kept it topped up as per the instructions. When I tried to use it to run my tyre inflator, it gave up almost immediately. 

Tacklife weren’t interested, despite saying  they have a 24 month warranty. 
 

All of those small battery booster/jump starter  things you’ll see on amazon etc are just clones of one another, and the quality seems to vary a lot. 
 

I’ve been eyeing up one of the more decent looking NOCO ones instead, which whilst more expensive seem to be better quality. 

 

quite...i am going along to halfords to inspect them...there is one at 80 and one at 100...(less that all powerful 1p brain trigger)

taklife did come up on my browsing....glad you posted

cheers

geof

1 hour ago, dervdave said:

6 different makes previously till I bought the best of the bunch the Noco gb70

 

thanks more power to my £££ commitment...

my budget is 100 so ...do you reckon i would need the Gb70 my skoda is a 1.4 diesel and if i get fed up of the lack of power i would go up to a 2L diesel tops....

 

https://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/garage-equipment/battery-chargers-jump-starters/gb40-1000a-noco-jump-starter

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by mrcrow

It might well do but if your like me you`d always regret not buying the one ( why I bought 6 previous) that would cover all needs.

I paid £135 for my gb70 in an Amazon special

1 hour ago, Wino said:

Wouldn't it be a better idea to solve the mystery of the fan running on?

 

 

that is still in my head if i could find a local electrical/diagnostic garage

the closest skoda is 30 mi away and not on a bus run to get home as i would probably have to leave it

the diagnostics is around £90 plus vat and then parts and labour to fix

my fabia is at most worth £1800 and i wont be selling till circumstances force

so the jump starter for extreme cases when i couldnt detect any fan running on park up so allowing me to disconnect the battery...avoiding being made flat

what i need to get thoroughly checked on the next mot (april)...is to really see if this car does not have a DPF

the handbook says no but the skoda dealer said it did

the code on the engine spec sheet bottom left second box in is.....0GG....which is NO DPF

i keep getting the "oh its the regeneration cycle causing the fan to run"

what exactly is the fan's use for that???

 

thanks again Wino

cheers

geof

0GG means Euro 4 emissions standard rather than specifically meaning no DPF, but the two probably go hand in hand.  What is the engine code Geof?

Looking at parts catalogue, the only diesel 1.4 I can see that has a DPF in 2007/8/9 era mk2 Fabias is BMS code.

 

@mrcrow Does the car have air conditioning?

 

 

 

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by Wino

I'm 99% certain the only pre-facelift Fabia to have a DPF was the Greenline.

1 hour ago, Wino said:

0GG means Euro 4 emissions standard rather than specifically meaning no DPF, but the two probably go hand in hand.  What is the engine code Geof?

Looking at parts catalogue, the only diesel 1.4 I can see that has a DPF in 2007/8/9 era mk2 Fabias is BMS code.

 

@mrcrow Does the car have air conditioning?

yes it has air conditioning...its a level 3 model so it has that models type

here is what is on the sheet in the service book...

let me know if what you need is there....or is it somewhere on the car...i looked in the engine compartment...nothing

cheers

geof

 

 

1 hour ago, Wino said:

 

 

 

 

BNV is your engine code. No DPF fitted.

Just been told dinner's ready so I'll have to come back to this w.r.t fan action when not expected.

 

 

Just now, Wino said:

BNV is your engine code. No DPF fitted.

Just been told dinner's ready so I'll have to come back to this w.r.t fan action when not expected.

 

 

your a star!!

enjoy your dinner

cheers

geof

12 minutes ago, Wino said:

BNV is your engine code. No DPF fitted.

Just been told dinner's ready so I'll have to come back to this w.r.t fan action when not expected.

 

 

 

here is a bit of nonsense...

 

on a completely dry and sunny day after a long run and with some fast bits too...the engine was having fun as well

i parked on my driveway and as i was preparing to open the garage door..

no key in the ignition...garage key on my car key ring

the high speed fan burst into life for about 30 secs then went off

a couple of minutes later...it did it again...

i waited a bit and it didnt happen again....

i assume the radiator temperature was not too high....correct coolant level etc and the last few miles at low speeds

sorry to interrupt again

cheers

 

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by mrcrow

...Hi mr Crow, I was thinking about you and this issue recently as someone else had it and I wondered if you solved it. I think it starts after a hefty water bath, if you know what I mean. Its easy for me to say this but I think its best to bite the bullet, get the issue solved at either Skoda or a reputable VW repairer and take the worry out of driving/parking and finding a flat battery. Did you ever replace the actual battery? 

 

I would have a little word with a dealer, ask them if they could provide a loaner, whilst they do the work. Mention age, disability, etc as that may go a long way to getting them to let you have a car for a week or so. Suggest you might even consider a P/X next year. Give them what they want to hear! 😀  A year from now, the issue will be a distant memory, rather then a continual thing. 

 

Oh, and it'll save the extra cost of the jump-charger so thats a ton toward the peace of mind repair!

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by mrgf

4 hours ago, mrcrow said:

 

quite...i am going along to halfords to inspect them...there is one at 80 and one at 100...(less that all powerful 1p brain trigger)

taklife did come up on my browsing....glad you posted

cheers

geof

no problem!

Glad I found out it was useless before I really needed it. 


Tacklife were initially very interested in helping to resolve the issue (only ever charged to 4/5 bars and went flat within seconds).  “Just send us your amazon order number and a video of the issue”.
 

“Sorry, we can’t find that number, it looks like an Amazon number which is not our official store so we can’t help you”. 🙄
 

 

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by Gumby

27 minutes ago, mrgf said:

...Hi mr Crow, I was thinking about you and this issue recently as someone else had it and I wondered if you solved it. I think it starts after a hefty water bath, if you know what I mean. Its easy for me to say this but I think its best to bite the bullet, get the issue solved at either Skoda or a reputable VW repairer and take the worry out of driving/parking and finding a flat battery. Did you ever replace the actual battery? 

 

I would have a little word with a dealer, ask them if they could provide a loaner, whilst they do the work. Mention age, disability, etc as that may go a long way to getting them to let you have a car for a week or so. Suggest you might even consider a P/X next year. Give them what they want to hear! 😀  A year from now, the issue will be a distant memory, rather then a continual thing. 

 

Oh, and it'll save the extra cost of the jump-charger so thats a ton toward the peace of mind repair!

 

good call... and hello again

read my earlier post about the fan starting up on a dry and warm day after a run...twice

 

the first time the battery going flat happened just after i bought the car and i thought the old battery was needing a change after 9 years so i put in a larger model as advised by the battery people

that was may 2017....so its been 2 1/2 years and fires the engine first time...when fully charged..:D

but

i think i may have found a local specialist...so they say and will give them a visit...just round from me in a trading estate

 

but read that earlier post about the fan firing up in dry and warm conditions

speak soon

cheers

geof

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by mrcrow

8 minutes ago, Gumby said:

no problem!

Glad I found out it was useless before I really needed it. 


Tacklife were initially very interested in helping to resolve the issue (only ever charged to 4/5 bars and went flat within seconds).  “Just send us your amazon order number and a video of the issue”.
 

“Sorry, we can’t find that number, it looks like an Amazon number which is not our official store so we can’t help you”. 🙄
 

 

oh the run around!!

i dont use amazon now as it happens...they are a con-siderable risk for guarantees

how helpful

cheers

geof

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by mrcrow

So was the first battery gubbed, or do you have it still and does it hold a charge?

Often over the years i have just had a spare battery in the boot / back of van in a box with a rope to carry it, and jump leads.

(Old wooden box my dad had when i was a boy and he used for the caravan leisure battery.)

It starts cars, stays charged, can get charged occasionally. and saves me opening my bonnet and jumping others cars from mine.

 

 

Edited 23 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

16 hours ago, mrcrow said:

 

here is a bit of nonsense...

 

on a completely dry and sunny day after a long run and with some fast bits too...the engine was having fun as well

i parked on my driveway and as i was preparing to open the garage door..

no key in the ignition...garage key on my car key ring

the high speed fan burst into life for about 30 secs then went off

a couple of minutes later...it did it again...

i waited a bit and it didnt happen again....

i assume the radiator temperature was not too high....correct coolant level etc and the last few miles at low speeds

sorry to interrupt again

cheers

 

 

Are you 100% sure that the fan was running at high speed?

It's much more difficult for that to happen if the key isn't in the ignition because the coil of the 'high speed' relay that switches the permanent 12V supply to the fan is fed from an ignition 12V source. This means that with ignition off, no possible combination of high refrigerant pressure or high coolant temperature nor any wiring fault on those inputs should be able to trigger the relay.

 

Having dissected one of the fan control modules that I believe to be identical to yours, the internal circuitry is as sketched (badly) here. The lower relay is the one that does high speed fan action.  The upper one, with coil fed from a permanent 12V source, is much more easily imagined to be involved in unexpected fan action (but low speed), if for example the 'MOT1' or 'K1' wire had an intermittent short to chassis.

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

So was the first battery gubbed, or do you have it still and does it hold a charge?

Often over the years i have just had a spare battery in the boot / back of van in a box with a rope to carry it, and jump leads.

(Old wooden box my dad had when i was a boy and he used for the caravan leisure battery.)

It starts cars, stays charged, can get charged occasionally. and saves me opening my bonnet and jumping others cars from mine.

 

 

🙂

no but because it went flat due to then unknown fan issue....i put in a new and re-cycled the old one

it was the smaller of what can fit into the fabia battery holder so keeping it would have been wise considering what you told me...

actually after reading a bit more about jump starters i am not feeling so confident....silly me thought they would be charged via mains using an adaptor...

i am looking however stupidly at the idea you have....a non jump style starter and fit it into my boot..

or

get the fan issue resolved...which i now have had some more thoughts and suspect the radiator sensor is the culprit...either contacts..staying on..it must work some time if the radiator temp is a bit high...or getting dampness in due to misty weather?? guesswork...

another positive doing that is i can have the coolant completely renewed...i dont think its been done...along with brake fluid since new...dec 2008

appreciate the input friends...

cheers

geof

4 hours ago, Wino said:

 

Are you 100% sure that the fan was running at high speed?

It's much more difficult for that to happen if the key isn't in the ignition because the coil of the 'high speed' relay that switches the permanent 12V supply to the fan is fed from an ignition 12V source. This means that with ignition off, no possible combination of high refrigerant pressure or high coolant temperature nor any wiring fault on those inputs should be able to trigger the relay.

 

Having dissected one of the fan control modules that I believe to be identical to yours, the internal circuitry is as sketched (badly) here. The lower relay is the one that does high speed fan action.  The upper one, with coil fed from a permanent 12V source, is much more easily imagined to be involved in unexpected fan action (but low speed), if for example the 'MOT1' or 'K1' wire had an intermittent short to chassis.

 

 

 

 

cheers

unfortunately i didnt get that far at technical college just doing basic series and parallel circuit calcs etc

but

from what you said in the opening statement:-

 

"no possible combination of high refrigerant pressure or high coolant temperature nor any wiring fault on those inputs should be able to trigger the relay."

 

i can confirm the key was not in the ignition...i never leave it in as the garage and house keys are on the car key fob

could this mean or the low fan relay sticking??

 

 

this common occurrence which may be relevant is if the fan is running on and i lift the bonnet to look and then let it drop  with a bang....the fan stops!!...this has been for 3 or 4 times....but over 2 1/2 years....? perhaps this impact on is unsticking the low fan relay..if it is that

 

but usually then i disconnect the battery negative since i take it as a warning that the fan may start up again...when i am in bed and then a battery charge is needed.

 

grateful for your inputs...most welcome

cheers

geof

 

 

Edited 24 October, 20196 yr by mrcrow

I think more likely the low speed relay getting dodgy inputs via a wiring issue.

If the relay contacts were sticking it couldn't really explain that on/off/on/off event you described, I don't think. 

T'is  a strange one.