I've had a search but I can't really come up with a right answer.

 

Over the last few days I've been monitoring the Engine Oil level on my 245.  When cold, stood overnight on a level Drive the oil level is about 2/3rds on the dip stick, from the bottom mark to the top mark.

After a run, engine up to temperature the oil is slap bang on the top mark.  Is this the correct oil level and am I dipping the oil correctly.  In 8 months of ownership ( bought new )  I have never topped the oil up and the oil light has never come on but I do carry a litre in the boot and the correct spec 508.00, 0w-20w Castrol 

 

 

Thanks 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 November, 20196 yr by Auric Goldfinger

You're supposed to measure when up to temperature but left for 'a few minutes' (to quote the user manual) for the oil to return to the sump, then dip it. 

 

Mine doesn't use oil either. 

All oil in the sump cold and settled should be higher than 'check @ operating temperature after a few minutes parked on the flat'.

 

The hot oil will have drained, but not all of it, there should be some around the journals in the head etc etc.

 

It is @ Normal Operating Temperature, 

& not warm, not sitting ticking over for 5 minutes as is common at Main Dealer servicing or any servicing. 

*I wish i had a litre of oil for everytime i have heard 'It makes no difference, this is how we always do it', 

then the oil level is actually too low when checked correctly.*

 

You do want to know the Oil Level before starting a car and heading off though.  Pity VW have the 'Hot check',  other than with 1.2 44kw engines from a decade or more back.

 

There is a thread, even 2 maybe with the experiments, cold oil, oil heated, the expension and all that scientific stuff.

Long story short, VW Group dipsticks and system designed by dipsticks and owners manuals just rubbish really, 

and lost in translation, warm, hot, operating temperature, normal operating temperature.

 

Use you very very best clean cloth.   

Remember, call that dealer, wait for them laughing.

 

 

Edited 5 November, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

2 hours ago, Auric Goldfinger said:

I've had a search but I can't really come up with a right answer.

 

Over the last few days I've been monitoring the Engine Oil level on my 245.  When cold, stood overnight on a level Drive the oil level is about 2/3rds on the dip stick, from the bottom mark to the top mark.

After a run, engine up to temperature the oil is slap bang on the top mark.  Is this the correct oil level and am I dipping the oil correctly.  In 8 months of ownership ( bought new )  I have never topped the oil up and the oil light has never come on but I do carry a litre in the boot and the correct spec 508.00, 0w-20w Castrol 

 

 

Thanks 

 

 

 

 

Everything is as it should be.

As with everything on the internet, who knows for sure!

 

Despite the advice in the manual I measure my oil level when the engine is cold and top it up to the max line.

 

After changing the oil (DIY service), the warm engine oil is drained and the engine well on its way to cooling off. When refilling, as above, I fill it to the max, start the engine to allow the oil filter housing to fill, take it for a quick steady drive around the block, a few minutes. Back at home and after leaving the car for half an hour or so I dip it again and top up back to the max line.

 

Either way, rightly or wrongly, I always dip the oil when I'm confident almost all of the oil has made its way back into the sump.

 

8 years and 160,000 miles later, no issues.

53 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

As with everything on the internet, who knows for sure!

 

Despite the advice in the manual I measure my oil level when the engine is cold and top it up to the max line.

 

After changing the oil (DIY service), the warm engine oil is drained and the engine well on its way to cooling off. When refilling, as above, I fill it to the max, start the engine to allow the oil filter housing to fill, take it for a quick steady drive around the block, a few minutes. Back at home and after leaving the car for half an hour or so I dip it again and top up back to the max line.

 

Either way, rightly or wrongly, I always dip the oil when I'm confident almost all of the oil has made its way back into the sump.

 

8 years and 160,000 miles later, no issues.

Same here always check my cars oil level when the engine is cold and after nearly 37 years driving have never had a car with an engine oil related issue so if it works then why copy someone else. Now after more than 9,200 miles since my last oil change in January the oil still looks like new and it would be a waste of money changing it now given my gentle commute sitting at 2,000rpm in 6th gear for 70% of my commute. Sure people who drive in large cities are making their car's engine oil work much harder than my car. I have had the same commute for 28 years also so can compare every car I have owned on the same route/roads.

Me too. Engine oil  fully drained down and as near as possible to ambient temperature with the car on the level, gives consistent readings.

Whether that's right or wrong I do it .

50 years of driving.

 

I can't really see how temperature is going to make a difference.  

What will make a difference is whether you still have oil that's not settled back down.

 

What I can't understand from the OP is there's somehow less oil after it's had longer to drain...  That just doesn't compute in my head.  The longer you leave it, the more will return to the sump, until it's almost all there.

 

Oddly, I filled with 5.7L, as stated it's the capacity at the weekend, backed it off the ramps, left it 10 mins or so and checked again in the flat. 

It was dead centre on the markings on the dipstick. I assumed it would take it to max.

I know after 10 mins it may not all be in the sump (and I drain it for longer), but I can't see it being a significant amount, whereas in guessing that's maybe 250ml off max.  

My only thought I'd that due to the position of the filter I suspect it's possible for about that amount to sit in that chamber as air as can't get in and it'll very slowly drain.  When I took the top of and allowed air in I could hear a fair bit then dropping out the sump.

 

I'll check mine on the flat at a few hours and see if it's higher.  If not it'll get some more!

9 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

I can't really see how temperature is going to make a difference.  

What will make a difference is whether you still have oil that's not settled back down.

 

What I can't understand from the OP is there's somehow less oil after it's had longer to drain...  That just doesn't compute in my head.  The longer you leave it, the more will return to the sump, until it's almost all there.

 

Oddly, I filled with 5.7L, as stated it's the capacity at the weekend, backed it off the ramps, left it 10 mins or so and checked again in the flat. 

It was dead centre on the markings on the dipstick. I assumed it would take it to max.

I know after 10 mins it may not all be in the sump (and I drain it for longer), but I can't see it being a significant amount, whereas in guessing that's maybe 250ml off max.  

My only thought I'd that due to the position of the filter I suspect it's possible for about that amount to sit in that chamber as air as can't get in and it'll very slowly drain.  When I took the top of and allowed air in I could hear a fair bit then dropping out the sump.

 

I'll check mine on the flat at a few hours and see if it's higher.  If not it'll get some more!

Saw on official list published on here recently from Skoda that they state 5.9litres to fill so that may explain the low mark on the dipstick.

The good news whether you check it hot or cold is that the TSI doesn’t use oil like the TFSI engines. I have stopped looking after my 220 and current 245 don’t seem to use it. 

Just recently there was a post with a link from a Owners Manual and it was diiferent from the ones over the years and clearly Area A as shown in the past was the flat area above the cross hatch.

 

This has been something that has confused many over the past engine generations.

Basicall the dipsticks are not the easiest to read.  Plenty manufacturers have clearer ones.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Saw on official list published on here recently from Skoda that they state 5.9litres to fill so that may explain the low mark on the dipstick.

Oh, ok.

 

I searched and found everything saying 5.7.

8 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

Oh, ok.

 

I searched and found everything saying 5.7.

Here you go.