DSG won't move until brake depressed

[Exyeti]

Hi, I have a 2014 Octavia 1.4tsi dsg 48000 miles. Has developed an intermittent fault when moving off for the first time. Once in drive and the handbrake released it fails to move when accelerator depressed. Flashes up a warning message to 'apply brake'. Once footbrake is applied car moves off as normal.

 

DSG had oil change and filter at 40k miles, no other faults until now.

 

Any ideas what this might be?

 

[gsf600y]

So after putting brake on to get it into gear, you have to press it a second time to get it to move?

 

And later whilst driving, if you were to pull over, into Park, handbrake on, it wouldn't happen a second time when pulling off?

[Exyeti]

Yes after pressing the brake to get it to start, its put in drive, handbrake is then released, when  foot taken off brake and accelerator depressed it then comes up with warning message to press brake again. Once brake is pressed  it moves.

 

It's an annoying intermittent issue. Have spoken with my mechanic who said it could be something to do with the brake light switch.

 

Also I've just noticed I should have posted this on the mk3 forum!

[Ootohere]

@Exyeti

Why did you have the oil changed at 40,000 miles considering there was and is no Service Schedule for oil changes in a DQ200 DSG as fitted to your car?

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Who did that oil change?

 

Better check if you car should have Service Campaign '34h5' carried out.

A software update done as a preventative measure on some DQ200's from 2013-2015. 

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

Nothing to do with the Australian recall, in Europe the Service Campaign started in 2017.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/473213-another-dsg-recall-today-sorry-if-already-posted

 

 

Edited 3 December, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Exyeti]

DSG oil was changed on advice of my independent VAG mechanic, have used him for years and trusted his advice. At the time I looked at all of the various threads on briskoda re the issue and concluded no harm in getting it changed. I always check under the car after a service as I'm paranoid re oil leaks (sandstone drive) and when I looked after he had done the job I could see the dsg sump plug had been removed and replaced.

 

I only realised there was a software recall on the DSG recently when looking for answers to my current fault, but thanks for the tip! If I hadn't looked at Briskoda I wouldn't have known. I contacted my local skoda dealer who advised I can get the update for free but they will charge me £99 to diagnose the current fault. It's booked in this week for the update but I'm minded not to get them to diagnose the fault until I've run the car for a while. It hasn't happened for a while.

 

I just hope almost 50k without the software update hasn't damaged the gearbox 

 

 

[Ootohere]

They have no need to charge any Diagnostic fee, they are checking the DSG on behalf of VW due to their Corporate Responsibility, 

and being paid to do that.

They are not spending twice the time, they are doing the checks and update only once, so trying to take money and VAT under false pretences.

 

 

The Service Campaign was started because of Failing Boxes, Cracked and leaking at the MCU.

 

Does your Local VAG Mechanic not have the Licensed Software to do DSG Diagnostics and Software Updates.

Have you not asked there about the issue you have had since they did the Oil Change?

Edited 3 December, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Exyeti]

I dont believe the issue In have now is linked to the oil change. It could be the brake light switch but It could also be the gear selector, I've read there are faults with those getting stuck in drive, but thats different to my symptoms. He isnt able to do software updates but does have diagnostic equipment. If skoda are duty bound to do the update free it makes sense to get them to do it. I also agree with you, if there's a chance this fault is linked to the known issue with this gearbox then they shouldn't charge for a diagnostic to rule it out. 

 

If they dont budge on charging the £99 I'll get my mechanic to take a look. 

[Tilt]

On 03/12/2019 at 07:31, Exyeti said:

booked in this week for the update but I'm minded not to get them to diagnose the fault until I've run the car for a while. It hasn't happened for a while.

 

If it hasn't happened for a while, I wouldn't worry too much (assuming it all works fine otherwise). Maybe just a glitch that has sorted itself / something sticking by the sounds of it.

[NikTheGeek]

On 04/12/2019 at 07:04, Exyeti said:

I dont believe the issue In have now is linked to the oil change. It could be the brake light switch but It could also be the gear selector, I've read there are faults with those getting stuck in drive, but thats different to my symptoms. He isnt able to do software updates but does have diagnostic equipment. If skoda are duty bound to do the update free it makes sense to get them to do it. I also agree with you, if there's a chance this fault is linked to the known issue with this gearbox then they shouldn't charge for a diagnostic to rule it out. 

 

If they dont budge on charging the £99 I'll get my mechanic to take a look. 

I'm just curious. Are you sure they did an oil change on a sealed for life dry clutch DQ200 gearbox that shouldn't be opened as the oil is under pressure? Unless it was the subject of a recall, changing the oil from synthetic to mineral, in which case it should have been free (and also proves that the oil can be changed). If it was changed, you need to know that synthetic wasn't used as it causes corrosion and future failure - hence the recalls and change to mineral oil..

[MoSalah]

I unfortunately have the same problem and im clueless how to fix it. Did you ever found the solution?

[daftbugga]

5 hours ago, MoSalah said:

I unfortunately have the same problem and im clueless how to fix it. Did you ever found the solution?

Exyeti , The Op last visited on 4 March 2020 so is unlikely to reply.

[MoSalah]

I noticed and i was hoping that he reply or maybe anyone else who came across this problem before 🙏

[Ootohere]

@MoSalah Welcome.

How many miles / km has your car done.

Is it a 1.4 TSI with a DQ200 7 speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG, & which country are you in?

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If a DQ200 DSG is there any record of the Service Campaign '34H5' having been carried out since 2017?

  A software update, preventative because of possible leaks from high pressure / temperatures.

 

Recalls in Australia, New Zealand and other world regions.  Service Campaign only in Europe / EU. 

Many never done. Not all 2013-2015 did need doing supposedly.

 

eg.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/512772-dsg7-recall-advice-accumulator-component

 

More than just a Software Update here. 

Back in 2012 the World Wide Recall excluded Europe / EU / UK and that was '34F7' Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral Oil, & a software update.

In New Zealand all vehicles with a DQ200 got new MCU,s fitted.

Eventually in 2014 in Europe a service campaign was started on cars / vans 2009-2012. 

 

Edited 19 April by Rooted

[MoSalah]

@Rooted i actually dont know if its a DQ200 or not. Its 2014 1.4 TSI DSG 7 speed.

the car located in Egypt and no there was no such service campaigns in Egypt.

in regards to high pressure / Temperature i dont think this is the case for my car as it usually happens when i resume driving after a complete stop for some time (>10 minutes) or sometimes it happens even in the mornings when i start the car and try to move. After moving from P to D and after releasing the brakes it keep asking for pressing the brake again. When i ignore and try to push the gas pedal, the RPM doesnt rise more than 2 until i follow the instruction to push the break and then its working flawlessly. 

[MoSalah]

It worth mentioning that the car currently on 70,000 mile and when I connected my OBD diagnostic tool (OBDelevn) it doesnt show any error related to the gearbox or sensors. Only 1 error related to gateway (U006500) and 1 dashboard ( U111000)

[Ootohere]

@MoSalah There was a Campaign or Recall, i know because a member from Egypt had that on a DQ200 DSG. 

Actually there were a couple of different software updates and the TPI numbers posted for Egypt, Israel, and UAE as far as i remember.

 

Is it Skoda / VW Egypt that says there was not a Service Campaign or Recall action?   

Best get that in writing from them. 

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Why not go see a Automatic Gearbox Specialist? 

 

@ApertureS  or @Crasher might see this and be able to advise on the codes / issue. 

 

 

Edited 19 April by Rooted

[MoSalah]

@Rooted thanks a lot for the detailed reply, skoda egypt informed me that there is no recall/ update for this car when i went to them after reading the replies on this post history. When i tried the gearbox specialists in an Egyptian form for technicians they suggested different approaches like:

 

1- mechatronics replacement.

2- gearbox oil change

3- stop sensor

4- hydraulic oil not full

5- mechatronic oil pressure leak

 

Since they didnt agree on one fix i though to ask here if the original poster had ever fixed the problem

 

[Ootohere]

If it is 4 or 5 which it can be that does not necessary mean no. 1 is required. There are repair / upgrade kits. 

(there are 2 Gearbox oils, in the box and in the MCU. The MCU leaks were the reason for the Recall Actions.)

 

Hold on and see if the Techs that know about this are able to post later. 

[MoSalah]

Just found this information on my obd diagnostic tool. Does this mean i need the software update?

[Gammyleg]

2 hours ago, MoSalah said:

 

Since they didnt agree on one fix i though to ask here if the original poster had ever fixed the problem

I had the same problem with mine, there should be a post on here somewhere. It would only happen when starting the car with the button ( not from a stop/start event ).

 

I kind of got used to this inconvenience but have just realised that since I had the mechatronic oil and transmission oil changed last December it has stopped happening. Worth trying before spending out on expensive diagnostics and best-guess replacements.

 

The Skoda advice that the DQ200 does not need oil changes is garbage. Get it done, when you see the colour of the old Mech oil you'll see why.

 

Edited 19 April by Gammyleg
Final sentence added

[MoSalah]

Most probably will do the software update + DSG repair kit and as a consequence the oil must be changed. I guess also i will change the oil to the miniral oil as suggested by VAG. Let us see what will happen. Will post here back the outcome 👍🏼

[Gammyleg]

2 hours ago, MoSalah said:

Most probably will do the software update + DSG repair kit and as a consequence the oil must be changed. I guess also i will change the oil to the miniral oil as suggested by VAG. Let us see what will happen. Will post here back the outcome 👍🏼

 

Your symptoms do not indicate a problem with the accumulator, which is what the basic repair kit comprises of, so an trans & mech oil change followed by the software update would be my first choice options

If the repair kit was needed you would likely have fault codes showing and warning messages/lights on the dash and a transmission that doesn't work at all.

 

The mineral mech oil required is power steering fluid and it should be bright green.

[MoSalah]

@Gammyleg thats is very helpfull. true i dont have any errors related to the gearbox. can you share the item number and capacity of the oil that i need to get? i tried to google but i want to make sure 100% that what i get is the coerrect one.

[Gammyleg]

For a standard drain & refill, my Superb DQ200 mechatronic takes exactly 1ltr of oil. If you were to fully dismantle the mechatronic unit this volume would increase by about 100ml as some of the oil remains in the galleries & accumulator. 

 

The oil reference is G055512A2. I think it is the same for all DSGs.

[Ootohere]

@MoSalah Your 2014 DSG did not come from the factory with the oil that those 2009-2012 that was the reason for the World Wide Recall.

 

Not the same oils as other DSG,s and the Wet Clutch ones have the same oil serving the MCU not like the DQ200 with 2 oils. 

Edited 19 April by Rooted