I'm considering a 1.5 golf or octavia, new or nearly new. Can anyone please advise whether the kangarooing issue has been resolved at low speeds? If not, does it apply to dsg, or manual, or both?

Resolved.

I have a 1.5 TSI Estate manual box which has displayed none of the problems referred to by some other owners .

No kangorooing at all just smooth power delivery at all speeds hot or cold .

MPG has varied ....47 lowest 65 highest.

Power more than adequate for my purposes .

Comfortable and quiet ,  relaxing to drive .

Have now covered nearly 3000 miles and ,apart from a couple of very minor transient electrical gremlins , no problems .

LED auto lights are excellent as is the rear camera .

Regards

 

 

I have a new 1.5 manual Octavia, it drives beautifully.

Just to add 12mth old & 18000 miles, NO issues & at this time of year the FULL winter pack really comes into its own ! The rear camera is proving to be anther worth while factory added extra !

There were always oners who had no problems. Do we definitively know that the issue has been resoved for those who did have problems? Are there any owners who have had their problems fixed y Skoda?

1 hour ago, harrylime said:

There were always oners who had no problems. Do we definitively know that the issue has been resoved for those who did have problems? Are there any owners who have had their problems fixed y Skoda?

 

Have you tried searching the forums? The Skoda / SEAT / VW forums are full of people saying they were happy with the fix that had been applied to their cars.

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Guest

Not all brand new MY2020 are issue free. Most must be obviously....

 

Those happy with updates.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/475159-24-eu-software-update

 

Then the likes of those not happy.

There are ones in various models from various build periods.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/475469-octavia-15-tsi--se-I-dsg-engine-vibration-through-steering-wheel-and-car-since-new-engine-software-update

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

7 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

Then the likes of those not happy.

There are ones in various models from various build periods.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/475469-octavia-15-tsi--se-I-dsg-engine-vibration-through-steering-wheel-and-car-since-new-engine-software-update

 

 

Just read that post. Neither of these two people were complaining about kangarooing before or after the update. That would suggest there were other issues going on with their cars.

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Guest

@Scot5

Your post said "Resolved".  On what basis do you say that? 

 Is it resolved for all those that had issues, or those that never had any?

 

 

Kangerooing is a term people started using and something VW Group denied was an issue, then they admitted a small problem with some vehicles.

Then they had a fix for 1.5 TSI Manuals, and another for those with DSG's with issues, that VW Group had never said had issues.

 

Then the 'Recall Actions' came up on the Alternator / lack of power.  

It is all just dragged out of VW Group, and seems to come under the term ' Kangerooing'.

That is and was 'Safety Critical'. as is the DSG's & 1.5TSI's that have had loss of Drive, another 'Software or engine management or emissions control fault. 

Not kangerooing, Dead Parroting.

 

Ask a Salesperson, some say they have never heard of issues, some say that there were ones and resolved, some will admit that there are still issues into MY20 vehicles.

http://garagewire.co.uk/news/vw-admits-problem-with-1-5-tsi-evo-cars-but-is-yet-to-resolve-juddering

 

 

Bob Flavin is no idiot, and was driving a Media / Press vehicle and was not imagining things.   Ask VW to put in writing, All issues are resolved.

*It does not affect 'all' 1.5TSI EVO / DSG's,  maybe all tuned that way. maybe that is the issue, and why there is not an update covers all available.*  Sh!te ones are the issue,  Drive a non sh!te one and no issue.

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Most people with dsg versions were happy with the car from new and most manual owners were definitely not.

Virtually all the original manual complainants in this forum seem very satisfied with the fix including the Karoq section.

So just as Scot5 said.

 

@Gerrycanmost as in the majority were happy and are still happy, and the manuals got the headlines, but that did not mean the DSG's were not having issues, and 1.5TSI's with a DSG are part of the Service Campaign because they had to be.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/461809-15-tsi-with-7-speed-dsg

 

What good is virtually all, if someone is buying a car and if a used one it might well be one that those that rejected theirs or got shot of because the software update did not 'resolve' their cars issue.

 

It is strange how those that have no issues and those can be thousands or hundreds of thousands are so blind to the risks when finally a manufacturer has admitted to some problems.

 

It is buyer beware, do your research and remember people will complain on forums, but then they are not all daft or liars.

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Root, there is no need for such a lengthy reply.

 

How can you possibly fix something that wasn't broken? Why would you even think I was referring to those who never had a problem to begin with?

 

  'Sorted' means they've fixed the problem, as indicated in the many replies on this, on SEAT and on VW forums. I suggest people perhaps read those forums.

 

Everyone knows exactly what kangarooing means. I wouldn't have thought anyone would think it meant vibrations thru the steering wheel which is the complaint's you've posted as folk who weren't satisified of the fix.

 

It's all very easy to understand.  The fix to the kangarooing problem works - that's all the OP was asking.

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Guest

We will have to disagree as i know they are not all fixed that have had updates.

 

I take it someone with one still not fixed will need to tell you that. 

 I have no idea how you know they are all fixed from reading posts on forums.

 

You had best go see some VW Techs that are honest and can tell you the full story.

 

 

@kifir might be able to say if all is well now with his Octavia 1.5TSI

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

18 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

We will have to disagree as i know they are not all fixed that have had updates.

 

I take it someone with one still not fixed will need to tell you that. 

 I have no idea how you know they are all fixed from reading posts on forums.

 

You had best go see some VW Techs that are honest and can tell you the full story.

 

 

@kifir might be able to say if all is well now with his Octavia 1.5TSI

 

 

I just said that it’s better now, but the heat has returned again and the car still drives like a piece of **** (sorry). 

I don’t know how things are with the new cars, but they just turned away from the old ones.

Such actions forever turned me away from VAG.  they know that the problem is not solved, but they do not care.
This means that tomorrow there will be a more dangerous and big problem with something, but they will not care.

 

Think it over.

@harrylime, I stand by my previous statement that most people who aired complaints through this forum are now saying the car is driving as it should have when it was first sold. 

There are individuals still with issues and they have my heartfelt sympathy.

 

You will just have to arrange test drives to see if your proposed purchases meet your satisfaction criteria.

Lot easier than trying to understand some of the rambling and unreadable posts that crop up in this forum.

I've contacted the local dealer (Marshall Northampton) who sold me my MY18 1.5 TSi twice now asking for the fix. First time they passed it on to the service department who would "get back to me" but haven't. Second time, they just ignored my request.

 

Mine has a minor kangarooing problem (especially as I often get caught in 30+ minute traffic with a relatively cold engine). I've not had a good overall first "Skoda Experience"

@BBDom

Considering with the DVSA it is a Safety Recall you should contact Skoda UK Customer Services. they need to have a word with MARSHALL NORTHAMPTON 

on what that actually means, and what Skoda / VW have told the DVSA about them doing Recall Actions.

On 15/12/2019 at 22:34, kifir said:

I just said that it’s better now, but the heat has returned again and the car still drives like a piece of **** (sorry). 

I don’t know how things are with the new cars, but they just turned away from the old ones.

Such actions forever turned me away from VAG.  they know that the problem is not solved, but they do not care.
This means that tomorrow there will be a more dangerous and big problem with something, but they will not care.

 

Think it over.

 

The question has to be have you put thought in to your comment?    If a company doesn't care then they don't sell cars. Skoda seem to be doing pretty well as far as I can see.

 

I don't know what you mean by 'the heat has returned again' and that it drives like a piece of....   I've just had a brief look at your history.

 

ROOT - you keep quoting people who obviously have problems with their cars which is far more complex than those who simply had that kangarooing issue. The OP asked has the kangarooing problem been fixed....   the answer is yes.  Having just read the issues kifir has, a simple kangaroo fix ain't going to resolve that lot.

 

kifir - What do you mean they turned away form old ones?  The company have worked on a fix which they are now applying to owners cars.  Are you implying all those owners who said a fix has been applied are liars?

 

Sorry but your response comes over as you having a chip on your shoulder for a reason you haven't explained. Your problem sounds to be with Skoda Finland importer, but your post iimplies everyone else suffers the same issue. In the UK we have laws that deal with your problem, if I were you that's the direction I'd have headed in.

 

What I always say to people like this is to simply sell their car and buy something else, but before they do, tell us what you intend to buy and someone on here will promptly direct you to a forum which says that car too drives like...   and that the company don't care about their owners. It's unfortunate / unlucky / unacceptable but every manufacturer has lemons.

Edited 17 December, 20196 yr by Guest

The problems are more complicated but got rolled into the dodgy engine management thing that people call kangerooing.

 

If the is no issue and all is well then that is great.  VW Group can put that in Press Statements.

 

The funny thing over the years is fan boys and girls that defend VW Group and then think differently if they get crap After Sales treatment.

Time will tell with you @Scot5.

 

Lets hope all goes good for you.

 

What about @BBDom  that will just be another one off case of poor Dealership staff no doubt.

The issues that get overblown on forums as usually gets said.  

Lots of these one offs though in various countries.

Edited 17 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

@Scot5

I didn’t call anyone a liar, except for the company VAG. 
 

Yes, the firmware fixed the problem for most, but there are people who did not help.  And I am among them. VAG knows this, and them doesn't care. Since I continue to listen to the tale that this is a characteristic.
 

For the same reason, I think MY18 cars are not included in the 24EU recall.  Because they knew that the firmware did not work for many.

 

It doesn’t matter - my story.  It doesn’t matter what happened already and what will happen in the future with me.
The important thing is that VAG knew about the problem for 2 years, knew that it was sometimes dangerous.  Continued to sell cars. VAG continued to tell people that this is normal and is a “characteristic." Since all these "fairy tales" that the dealer tells, they come directly from VAG. 
And I still continue to listen to these tales.

All this is just my subjective opinion! 

Mine isn't resolved. It had the software update which made it less bad but it certainly isn't fixed, not by a long way. If you are in heavy traffic you can pull away slowly by just letting out the clutch with no accelerator, that works, if you are on a steepish hill or can pull away quite quickly that works, it's every day pulling away that is the problem. It pulls away, then the power just disappears and it lurches. I spoke to SUK about it and they couldn't even narrow it down to a specific cars, some do it, some don't (I don't believe this, there has to be batches that have subtle differences in config or parts supplier, or variable quality on those parts). They did say that other owners who's cars had the fix also stated it didn't work.

 

It doesn't seem to be a particularly difficult thing to make a car that can pull away cleanly, but VW Group have done just that.

 

I've had 6 Skodas (2 Fabia vRS's, an Octavia 2 L&K, 2 X Octavia 3 Elegance and now an Octavia 3 SE Technology 1.5 TSi) and I don't rate the quality at all. The last 4 have been company cars which I got because they are so useful, practical, comfortable, flexible on options, cheap to lease and low on BIK. But, they have all been a PITA for quality. From the current Octavia Super-Kangaroo, to the previous one with a Panaromic sunroof that never worked properly (motor failed after 2 weeks, then constant seal issues, gave up on it after 6 dealer visits and never opened it again), and an early Octavia 3 which kept doing emergency stops on empty roads, and which was eventually returned to Skoda under my companies duty of care obligations after it did it with a client as a passenger on a totally empty road early one morning near Luton Airport (the dealers could never find a fault). I've had a Toyota for the last 12 years and it has had 2 faults the entire time and even now drives better than the 12 month old 1.5 TSi. If (Prius aside) Toyota were company car CO2 friendly and and something as useful as the Octavia I'd have had those instead.

 

The 1.5TSi, kangarooing aside, is a good engine, is company car tax friendly now that diesel is the devil, and can be economic if you take it easy, and it is so quiet after a decade of diesels. But the kangarooing, and VW Groups inability to properly fix affected cars is unforgivable and shows either incompetence or utter arrogance. Either way I won't be bothering with another VW Group car.

 

 

For most people the problem seems to be fixed, but my experience matched those of @kifir and @hotvrs.  After running with the fix on my MY18 1.5TSI Manual for about 6 weeks and 800 miles, I gave up.  I traded mine in for a MY19 2.0TSI.    A costly thing to do, but I haven't regretted it.

Edited 23 December, 20196 yr by GaryL

@GaryL

Congratulations!
How much did you lose when selling 1.5?

Edited 23 December, 20196 yr by kifir

@kifir 

It cost about GBP6,000 to change.  Of course, the 2.0 DSG is more expensive than the 1.5 Manual anyway.  It also has some rarity value in 2WD form having only been offered during MY19 afaik.  The new car is a year younger, both old and new had done under under 10,000 miles.