Thinking about it..... it is perfectly logical that the list price should be that applicable at the time the car is ordered. Manufacturers often make quite extensive changes to car specification and list price, so it would be difficult to assign an accurate, unambiguous list price to a vehicle built to an earlier spec but trying to translate its 'list price' relevant to a newer spec and list price. So, yes, I think I believe my dealer - and it's up to them to fill in the form anyway......

I do not disagree with you - about logical - but the law is the day before registration.

 

I was the same as you - checked and ordered up to the 40K limit.... to avoid paying  the £1700 extra tax over 5 years... but?  I am stuck with it.

 

I too would have added a few other smaller options out of choice - which were worth the £400 - but not the £2100 cost it would have been with the tax... and also with the delivery time so long could have had the 190 engine - initially refrained as one was 12 weeks the other 25 weeks... ended up at 20 weeks for the 150 TDi

 

Oh well..... no point crying over spilled milk..

 

 

I hope for your sake they show the value less than the £40K.. but the issue the forms are filled in by a clerk - who is legally responsible for the paperwork... 

 

 

One of the cars on our shortlist was the Audi Q3. Recently Audi rationalised the options/pricing structure so that the 'base' model is more expensive but includes several previously-optional items, so if we'd just ordered the old-spec base model, comfortably < £40K, we'd be entitled to object if the list price reflects a car with a considerably higher spec. Indeed, manufacturers sometimes remove a complete spec level, issue a different spec with altered equipment, and with order-to-delivery times getting on for 6 months, there would be no corresponding current list price for an 'old-spec' vehicle.

 

But, yes, I've had an exchange of e-mails and phone calls (which I have confirmed in the e-mails) with my dealer, with the assurance that our Kodiaq list price will indeed be < £40K. If it isn't, there will be some 'interesting' negotiations/discussions.

 

Incidentally, another car on our shortlist was the Volvo XC40. The salesperson was well aware of the £40K limit, and sat me down and explained at length which factory-fit options could be dealer-fitted at no, or minimal, additional cost (eg swivel towbar, smartphone integration, spare wheel). Dealer-fit 'post-sale' options are evidently not included in the VED-applicable list price. It's a frankly ludicrous situation, because at the point of sale I still drive away in the same car, same price, but with a different list price.

3 hours ago, SinglePointSafety said:

But, yes, I've had an exchange of e-mails and phone calls (which I have confirmed in the e-mails) with my dealer, with the assurance that our Kodiaq list price will indeed be < £40K. If it isn't, there will be some 'interesting' negotiations/discussions.

 

Store those emails somewhere safe. Make Sure they're water tight too. Do they explicitly say you won't have to pay the higher tax amount?

 

I'd go as far as asking them to put in writing that they'll pay the difference if it is found they were wrong.

3 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Store those emails somewhere safe. Make Sure they're water tight too. Do they explicitly say you won't have to pay the higher tax amount?

 

I'd go as far as asking them to put in writing that they'll pay the difference if it is found they were wrong.

Yes to the first, which I would hope renders the second unnecessary....

Oh dear, when I wrote:

On 21/12/2019 at 14:18, SinglePointSafety said:

The issue of VED-applicable 'list price' seems to be confusing. My research, including looking at the official gov.uk info, indicates that it's essentially the P11D value, since this excludes the items listed by SimonAudi. This was confirmed by my dealer, so all is (was) well. But....

 

The interesting (to me at least) issue is a change of list price between order and registration. The official gov.uk definition clearly implies it's the vehicle list price at the time of registration. Ulp! This certainly applies in my case - car ordered In October before the 1st November changes (ie price increases) and thus at registration date the VED-applicable list price would increase to > £40K, even though the actual price I will pay is price-protected ie at the pre-Nov value.

 

So I contacted my dealer who reassured me that, don't worry, the 'list price' supplied to HMRC/DVLA is that applicable at order time. Slight implication that this information comes from the dealer (who fills in the appropriate forms) and isn't subject to further checking, especially in our under-resourced public services. Next March/April I guess I will find out the reality - and will be a bit upset if I'm now lumped with all that extra VED: I took an enormous amount of care to specify the options and keep just below the magic £40K

Gosh, wasn't I naive! I believed what a car salesperson told me - at my age....But following the advice (thanks silver1011 and others) I have the emails which tell me that my car VED list price was below the £40K threshold, despite the list price increases.

Except it now isn't . I've just had the Confirmation of Registration Details (CRD) and this confirmed my worst fears - that VAG have dutifully supplied the VED-applicable list price and of course it's the current list price (no big surprise) and thus >£40K. All that extra VED to pay.

To be fair, contacted dealer, sales lady admits it was her fault (can't dispute the emails). Short version of long story: threatened to walk away, discount is 're-adjusted' and some 'dealer accessories' (like the protection pack) are now FoC, so overall more than compensates for the extra VED I'll pay in years 2-5.

 

But here is the warning. If you spec your car and it's close to the £40K threshold, and there is a long lead time, there is a good probability of a list price increase (even if the price you pay is price-protected) and it might well be enough to propel you over the £40K threshold. So after the order is placed, keep monitoring the list price and if necessary adjust the spec if it's not too late.

Legally they have to use the list price at the point of Registration - not the order price.

 

I got stung the same way..  the clerk - is breaking the law if she uses the old price...

 

 

7 minutes ago, SimonAudi said:

Legally they have to use the list price at the point of Registration - not the order price.

 

I got stung the same way..  the clerk - is breaking the law if she uses the old price...

 

 

Made sure when I bought a 9 month old Superb when it was registered new in March 2019 that the OTR price was only £39,100 thus avoiding paying £455 per year for VED (pay just £145 instead).