Hello

I need your advice. My Kodiaq is coming up for three years old and I am wanting to change. I have the 190SEL 4x4 seven seats with tow bar. I have looked extensively at Kodiaqs but which one?

I like:

190 engine, good mixture of economy and pace.

Good at towing (except the very small 80Kg nose weight) I got a dedicated towing harness.

The DSG box

Heated seats

Sat Nav

 

Thinking I want:

Heated screen

Sun roof

I like comfort and the gadgets (however I realise that some you will never use (hence my original question-which model and extras)

Do not want a model over 40K-do not want to pay more tax.

Adaptive chassis?

Comfort seats?

White (I have this now) and like it.

 

During my trawl I noticed a lot of demo models without the chrome Skoda letter across the boot, an older model? I prefer to buy a demo model with approx. 6K miles. I also looked on sites advertising the Terracco, however noticed the negative comments on build quality and harsher ride. Cheaper price though. Another key point, when is the best time to buy bearing in mind that Kodiaq will be getting less extras in newer builds. 

Your thoughts will be very welcome and potentially save me a lot of time.

Thanks

Your £40,000 tax limit rules out the SportLine, Scout, L&K and vRS after factoring in your essential extras.

 

190PS TDI, DSG, panoramic sunroof and heated windscreen are all cost options across the remaining specs, SE, SE L and Edition.

 

The 190PS diesel engine is not available on the SE.

 

This leaves the SE L and Edition to choose from.

 

How you choose between the two depends on which of the standard extras are attractive to you or not.

 

Essentially the Edition gets full leather with fully electric adjustment plus lane assist and blind spot detect for the extra £2,000 over the SE L.

 

Given how many more SE L's you see out there my guess would be that unless you're desperate for the leather interior you are best going for the same you have now, but with the added extras!

Thanks, I am not bothered about the leather. I like the alcantara. Looks like a patient wait for the extras I want (I would also prefer the Audi style dashboard and rear view camera/front parking sensors).

You will get the 150 TDI L&K under the 40K - if you ignore the delivery costs and OTR - look at BIK value - which is what counts for the tax.

 

You may also want to consider a pre reg VRS - with more powerfull engine - but you will pay tax - just put £1000 out of the savings away to cover the extra annual tax..

 

 

Edited 15 December, 20196 yr by SimonAudi

Thanks.

Would I notice the difference between 150 and 190 in performance? 

4 hours ago, Izzybear said:

Thanks.

Would I notice the difference between 150 and 190 in performance? 

Around town probably not but when you’ve got the back seats in use and/or stuff in the boot then it makes a pretty noticeable difference. 

9 hours ago, Izzybear said:

Thanks.

Would I notice the difference between 150 and 190 in performance? 

Does it make a difference?  Yes.

 

Is the difference important?  Only you can decide.

 

i have a 1.4 Tsi (same outputs as the newer 1.5) and find it absolutely fine when, several times each year, I head to the airport with five adults and eight large bags full of camping gear.  

 

See if you can get a decent test drive.

Thanks

When I get some free time from work I will go to the fairly local dealers and do as you suggest.

If you're fussy on spec, as I am, then you may struggle to find an ex-demo that suits.

 

I like my 190 SEL so much that I ordered a new factory build exactly 6 months ahead of PCH expiry.

 

I loaded it up with things I didn't have first time round, like digital dash and  suspension, while sticking with all my "essentials", like hot screen, paddles (inc. hot wheel), spare wheel, tailgate and a few minor items. No sun roof or leather stuff for me

 

Kept it under £40K and will be happy with a simple change of colour on top.

 

ps - after enjoying a spirited solo drive last night, I know I'd miss the 190 horses.

What sort of mpg are you getting with the 190tdi? Is fuel economy crucial for you? You might want to consider the 190 tsi as an alternative, it's a good ways cheaper than the 190tdi on list price (around about 1k less). 

Also I think the nose weight is up to 100 kgs across the kodiaq range now. 

Edited 18 December, 20196 yr by Gmac983

9 hours ago, Gmac983 said:

What sort of mpg are you getting with the 190tdi? Is fuel economy crucial for you? You might want to consider the 190 tsi as an alternative, it's a good ways cheaper than the 190tdi on list price (around about 1k less). 

Also I think the nose weight is up to 100 kgs across the kodiaq range now. 

I got anywhere from 35-37mpg with 70% town driving.

My genuine MPG over 27,000 miles is 38.7 measured brim to brim.

 

Ignoring whatever the dash says.

 

Do your own sums for comparing petrol vs. diesel over your choice of annual miles.

 

Then factor in the "driving style" of diesel grunt vs. petrol hush.

 

ps - as a complete aside - today I got to drive an X5 3.0L 6 cylinder diesel for a short time.  What a lovely quiet motor. And what a lot of Grunt! Unfortunately not in my present price bracket. And only 5 seats, no KESSY, no hot screen, no kick tail gate, no hot wheel no CD. £60K car , but being very heavily discounted at present.

6 minutes ago, BoxerBoy said:

ps - as a complete aside - today I got to drive an X5 3.0L 6 cylinder diesel for a short time.  What a lovely quiet motor. And what a lot of Grunt! Unfortunately not in my present price bracket. And only 5 seats, no KESSY, no hot screen, no kick tail gate, no hot wheel no CD. £60K car , but being very heavily discounted at present.

As much as I like the RS' 4cyl twin turbo, newer V6/I6 diesels are just so much more refined. Might have to replace the RS with a Q7 in 4 years time.

Over the 4 months I've had mine (2.0tsi 190 kodiaq) I've typically been getting 33 or 34 mpg over a tankful (calculated) most of my journeys are fairly short and on rural roads, almost no city driving and very little motorway/dual carriageway. Best tankful was 39mpg on holiday, worst was 29mpg last week (lots of short journeys in frosty weather). So roughly speaking then the 190 tsi is about 5mpg worse of than the 190 tdi but 1k cheaper to buy overall. So very much a case of doing your sums and making your choice or plain and simple buy the one you like best  

Edited 19 December, 20196 yr by Gmac983

I think I get mid to upper 30mpg on mine, with mainly fast A roads. I do like the grunt of the 190 diesel and it tows the van superbly. Does anybody tow a van with the petrol version?

9 minutes ago, Izzybear said:

I think I get mid to upper 30mpg on mine, with mainly fast A roads. I do like the grunt of the 190 diesel and it tows the van superbly. Does anybody tow a van with the petrol version?

Silver1011 tows a large 1,500kg caravan with his 2018 Kodiaq Scout 1.4TSi 148bhp petrol. Nice car in Black.

1.4 TSI 150PS manual...

 

Yarp... Petrol model + towing = no problem. 

Haven't had the caravan on mine yet, that will likely be come summer time (similar size and weight to the above yoke). 

Have had my livestock trailer on a few times so far on short journeys and found absolutely no bother to it at all that was upto about 1200kg.

As per above, might struggle to find a used Kodiaq with the spec you want. And you may find that buying brand new could work out just as cheap as the DEMO.

 

Best time to buy? These days I think anytime, the old rules of end of quarter etc seems to have died a death - all down to brokers.

 

Depends how you buy the car - I too preferred pre-reg / ex management / ex demo but it depends on how you fund the car. Used cars tend to attract a higher APR rate, a brand new car may have a lower APR or offers. I bought brand new Karoq a few weeks back, normally pay cash but took advantage of Skoda's winter offer £2750 deposit PCP ( extra £1000 over normal offer ) then paid car off in full - they usually have servicing incentives too.

 

Go to a broker like DriveTheDeal or use CarWOW to get prices then take them to your local dealer.

 

Just a thought - do you need 7 seats? You could buy a Karoq with that engine - the Karoq comes much better equipped than the Kodiaq - no need to add extras ( which will be worthless when you come to sell ).

Edited 19 December, 20196 yr by Guest

On 15/12/2019 at 21:03, SimonAudi said:

You will get the 150 TDI L&K under the 40K - if you ignore the delivery costs and OTR - look at BIK value - which is what counts for the tax.

 

 

 

Think I know what you mean but to be more precise,  the £40k limit is based on the list price or Recommended Retail Price of the vehicle ( ignore the P11D or OTR price list )

 

If you look at the Skoda pricelists, they give the RRP. Just add the RRP price of the car + RRP of any extras and if that exceeds £40k then you have to pay an extra £320 a year.  It's easy to calculate this figure for a new car but can be a nightmare with a used car.

 

When I was looking to change my Octavia,  a couple of dealers said the cars I was looking at fell in to the £145 year tax when they clearly didn't. It may have been a genuine mistake? then again...

Hi 

 

No that's not correct - I had lengthy discussions with my dealer - because he said the same - then I searched internet and found some info.

 

OTR Cost L&K from Configurator at the time of order was  £40,514 RRP inc Options RRP + First Reg Fee+ VED + Delivery

 

The RFL / Service Plan and First registration fee can all be excluded. (£530 + £159 + £55) - so cost for the £40K limit was £39,770

 

 

 

ved-reform-briefing2.pdf

Edited 19 December, 20196 yr by SimonAudi

RRP is also the price at the point of delivery. Not the point at which you order. So if the price goes up after you order, you can end up tipping over 40k and paying high RFL. 

That's a bummer - just checked and the list price has increased... to RRP 41,040 - so less the deductables is now >£40K.....

 

So guess I just picked up the extra tax cost....

 

 

 

The issue of VED-applicable 'list price' seems to be confusing. My research, including looking at the official gov.uk info, indicates that it's essentially the P11D value, since this excludes the items listed by SimonAudi. This was confirmed by my dealer, so all is (was) well. But....

 

The interesting (to me at least) issue is a change of list price between order and registration. The official gov.uk definition clearly implies it's the vehicle list price at the time of registration. Ulp! This certainly applies in my case - car ordered In October before the 1st November changes (ie price increases) and thus at registration date the VED-applicable list price would increase to > £40K, even though the actual price I will pay is price-protected ie at the pre-Nov value.

 

So I contacted my dealer who reassured me that, don't worry, the 'list price' supplied to HMRC/DVLA is that applicable at order time. Slight implication that this information comes from the dealer (who fills in the appropriate forms) and isn't subject to further checking, especially in our under-resourced public services. Next March/April I guess I will find out the reality - and will be a bit upset if I'm now lumped with all that extra VED: I took an enormous amount of care to specify the options and keep just below the magic £40K

When I collected car yesterday the dealer did not know

 

so need to wait and see but either way nothing I can do

 

I just checked on DVLA and mine will be subject to tax rate

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20196 yr by SimonAudi