Recent VAG cars seem to suffer from the same odd engineering decisions....

 

Designing a decent lane keep assist module is easy (like many manufacturers have). Two cameras, common mode signal. Any discrepancy turns off the system. It's not rocket science, Japanese manufacturers do it, why can't VAG?

 

Also what would help is being able to control the intervention level from off, auditory/visual only, low, medium and high.

I have just bought a Kamiq and was alarmed the first time the LA kicked in on a dual carriageway, I wasn't briefed on it when I collected the car and didn't experience it on a test drive. Not to start a conspiracy theory  but with the LA and the cruise control with the distance sonsor on seems to me that somehow, data is being collected and fine tunes for the day we have autonomous cars. And the experience of Longedge in an earlier post seems to confirm that there can be the occasional glitch. Therefore all these systems are still in development. I have been told that indicating prevents the LA operating but to be honest I just deactive it before setting off. I can live with the small inconvenience of deactivating it.

Interesting theories LA1Eboy, any suggestions on the twin towers 911, or maybe who killed JFK ? haha 

I've always wondered if driving habits  n data was being collated, but I was thinking from smartphones. As the Amundsen has an inbuilt sim, can expect this data to be used for something.

My family had a weekend away last week and they took my car to put some miles on the clock (now gone up to 664 miles since December 😁 ). When they got to their destination I sent them a WhatsApp to say they had done 144 miles, got 47.9 m.p.g., had parked in the car park at the rear of the hotel they were staying at. Next day I sent them another to say they had left the dog in the car while it was parked up which had set the alarm off.

 

I'm certain that there is far more data being collected than that being exposed to me. It's just one of dozens of ways that our every move is being watched by someone every hour of the day. Lots of people have experienced receiving adverts for an item they were just talking about in the privacy of their own home, SIRI and ALEXA are listening to you 24/7 for instance 🙄

On 05/08/2020 at 17:46, skodayoda07 said:

Recent VAG cars seem to suffer from the same odd engineering decisions....

 

 

Hard to disagree with that.

 

The only thing I would add is:

 

Recent VAG cars seem to suffer from the same old lack of prototype testing.

 

I know it was in a different class but I don't believe the Mercedes W201 became the car it was due to inspired brilliance - It was total focus on clear design targets combined with prototype test and improvement and repeat.

 

VAG are now happy to get paying customers to do large scale prototype testing, the thing with this is when a problem is revealed it is too late and too expensive to fix so they have to either not be able to see it or find a way of explaining it away.

 

The deficiency's of the lane assist system would have been revealed if real world pre-production testing had been done. 

 

 

All they need to do with LA is to simply reverse the default setting to 'OFF'  If you want it active you would simply select it from the menu and hey presto, poltergeist assisted driving ! The same could be done with the stop/start. I regularly switch mine off due to it being unpredictable. Hopefully this will be an option in the near future  with the 'clamidia' app or whatever its called ...

I thought I had read (on some other Skoda forum) that it was now possible to permanently disable the Lane Assist via the VCDS ?

Edited 17 August, 20205 yr by stonyb1
to clarify statement

I disabled the adaptive cruise control becasue it has wobbles with some traffic on the nearside. I found it in the menu and when I disabled it permanently it left a yellow warning sign on in the panel up by the rear view mirror. I turned it back on as I'd rather just pick and choose when I use it rather than have a permanent yellow waring sign displayed. I'm guessing the LA would result in the same yellow warning light being constantly displayed. I'm happy enough just scrolling to it in the menu and cancelling it before a journey, it only takes seconds when you know the quickest short cut to it.

Hated this on my test drive but left it on. Really worried when it fought me when I was selecting the middle lane of 3 approaching roundabout (left was left only, right right only, middle ahead). No traffic about so no need to signal. That will be switched off for every trip. In fact, if there's a separate fuse for it, that's coming out.

 

Been driving since 1973 - bit tired now  - and never needed help to stay in lane yet.

 

However, after 4 happy years with a basic Citigo, I need auto transmission, leccy windows etc to cope with wrist injuries and early stage arthritis.

 

I was really happy with my test drive other than that weirdness. But, as a fairly dedicated technophobe, I am worried about having to learn how all the things work.

It's only a couple of button presses to switch off the LA so it's not a major problem and easy to do whilst on the move if you forget before setting off. I'm finding the start/stop to be just as much of a pain recently. Do you think it has a green light sensor so it switch off just as the traffic lights change meaning you have that second or two delay before you're able to pull away ? Another swift button press resolves this, but would prefer the defaults to be reversed

6 hours ago, RodTucker said:

Hated this on my test drive but left it on. Really worried when it fought me when I was selecting the middle lane of 3 approaching roundabout (left was left only, right right only, middle ahead). No traffic about so no need to signal. That will be switched off for every trip. In fact, if there's a separate fuse for it, that's coming out.

 

Been driving since 1973 - bit tired now  - and never needed help to stay in lane yet.

 

However, after 4 happy years with a basic Citigo, I need auto transmission, leccy windows etc to cope with wrist injuries and early stage arthritis.

 

I was really happy with my test drive other than that weirdness. But, as a fairly dedicated technophobe, I am worried about having to learn how all the things work.

Only comes on at 37mph roundabout at that speed. No fuse.  works with side assist front assist. no need to fight it just add a little resistance or hold it turns off 

Edited 18 August, 20205 yr by skoda1982

Hands-free driving could be on UK roads by spring - hope it's not being developed by VAG at least not until they have managed to distinguish between lane markings and a shiny bit of tarmac 🤪

Scary, very scary. Drivers will switch off and be incapable of quickly reacting to emergencies. Disaster waiting to happen.

Hated this on my test drive but left it on. Really worried when it fought me when I was selecting the middle lane of 3 approaching roundabout (left was left only, right right only, middle ahead). No traffic about so no need to signal. That will be switched off for every trip. In fact, if there's a separate fuse for it, that's coming out.

 

Been driving since 1973 - bit tired now  - and never needed help to stay in lane yet.

 

However, after 4 happy years with a basic Citigo, I need auto transmission, leccy windows etc to cope with wrist injuries and early stage arthritis.

 

I was really happy with my test drive other than that weirdness. But, as a fairly dedicated technophobe, I am worried about having to learn how all the things work.

I fear that we are being steered (sorry!) towards self-driving cars which scares the hell out of me.

 

OK, I assume that the technology will be reasonably advanced but all the while my nearly new satnav announces that I'm approaching my home on the left when it's on the right, technology worries me. 

 

There were trials in the US with these things, using professional test drivers. On average, the test driver had to take control once every 8,800 miles or so. That's about average annual mileage for UK drivers so may not seem that dangerous. But, consider that the drivers were professionals, paid to be in place to take over in an emergency. Consider then the average UK driver - and most are VERY average - reading the paper and swigging a coffee when an emergency crops up. Will they manage to take control in time and effectively?

I'm not against innovation per se but thinking about such as the Boeing 737 Max crashes or looking at some of the videos showing Tesla self drive cars just ploughing straight on into a crash doesn't fill me with confidence.

 

I now find that I can't relax and drive 'normally'. I keep a much tighter grip on the steering wheel than I used to. For me it makes driving more stressful and tiring. Perhaps my initial experience has made more of an impression on me than it should have. I wasn't forewarned during the handover and it happened as I drove home after taking delivery of the car.

I think two button presses gets it disabled from the main menu. Sadly it reinstates when you restart the car, but I'm not in the habit of disengaging it regardless

God I’me glad I stuck with my Yeti!

1 minute ago, Expatman said:

God I’me glad I stuck with my Yeti!

Where's your sense of adventure hahaha

15 hours ago, Rivendell63 said:

Where's your sense of adventure hahaha

It's in the ditch with the Kamiq's lane assistance technology!

🤣

4 hours ago, Expatman said:

It's in the ditch with the Kamiq's lane assistance technology!

All new cars will have it and its not bad as people are saying you get used to it. And it teaches you to indicate.  It does not stop you counteracting  in the opposite direction or hold. if you go over the line about a tyre width is stops. you can have the steering wheel  vibrate same as a mobile phone so it does not startle you

As an IAM member and holder of Cardington A certificates for car and motorcycle, I have never yet needed my vehicle to tell me how, when or where to steer. When I experienced lane assist for the first time, it felt very unsettling. The road went from a wide but single lane to a three lane - left, ahead, right - in a fairly short space. I had to move slightly left to follow the lane ahead when the wheel suddenly pulled left. There could easily have been a car or two-wheeler squeezing up on my nearside for a left turn. Please, somebody tell me how this improves safety?

 

The "system" used by both IAM and DSA includes "consider a signal if it would assist other road users". It does not say "mirror, signal, manoeuvre". It encourages actual thought rather than robotic actions.

I do agree with you Rod. Most of my driving is on minor country roads, and having a tug on the wheel at what appears to be random intervals is definitely not helpful!

That came as a shock. People generally never agree with me 🤣