hi, i hope somebody can help me! i am trying to remove my hill assist but i am not finding how can someone give me a hand? the car is a skoda octavia combi 2017 1.6tdi. manual 5 gears thanks

Welcome to the forum.

 

Sorry i can not help but someone might be along that can.

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Is it Hill hold assist on your car and you want to disable that from functioning?

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Can i ask why?

I am spending a lot off time in traffic and at every hill waiting for a light or a car I'd doesn't go in that 1-2 seconds I need to wait at least 3 -5 sec before I can go. and I am just killing the clutch sometimes.thanks

You can likely disable it if you have access to a VCDS, probably just tick a box for "hill hold installed" or something.

I’ve increased the hill hold Assist duration on other cars via VCDS. It might be possible to also do it on the Superb. 

Could anyone help me understand this please.

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Am i missing something here as i only drive automatics or DSG's.

Never driven a manual.

 

Does hill hold assist on a manual not just stop a car moving for a couple of seconds to assist you while not on the brake?

Why would it stop you from moving or delay you, 

or is that more to do with the Stop / Start?

Edited 6 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

I can’t recall behaviour on a manual Superb TBH

While this is apples and oranges, in an WRX STI manual the hill hold felt exactly the same as my DSG VW Golf R32

 

I can't imagine it would offer much resistance when you want to go

It holds the brakes on for a couple of seconds to prevent rolling back on a hill when releasing the handbrake. I don't think you can disable it on an Octavia as it has a manual handbrake. 

I think you probably can disabled it with VCDS, given I enabled it on our Superb 2 with a manual box. I was taught to never hold the car on the clutch for exactly the reason the OP gives and in my experience HHC gives enough time to move the car off without rolling back. I can't imagine why anyone would want it disabled, but each to their own....

Edited 6 March, 20206 yr by numskull

i have made several codings

# Automatic brake releases with less throttle
	03-Brakes
	Security access: 11966
	Adaptations
		IDE05055-Hydraulic brake assistant
		Change from normal to early

# Firmed Brake pedal
# http://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/6322/firmed-brake-pedal#ixzz697Don5LZ
	03-Brakes
	Security access: 25004
	Adaptations
		Brake Booster: factory value set to 4.
		Changed to 2

but none of these helped completely 😞

the only way to avoid starting countdown 3,2,1,go is move DSG selector to `N` when standstill(or a second before stop)

then shortly touch Brake pedal half second before go, release brake pedal and move DSG selector to `D`

The OP has a manual Octavia....

I’ve enabled it on my wife’s Fabia 3 SE L and increased timeout to 10 secs.  I think I got the adaptations/coding from the Octavia how to 

Edited 6 March, 20206 yr by penguin17

2 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Could anyone help me understand this please.

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Am i missing something here as i only drive automatics or DSG's.

Never driven a manual.

 

Does hill hold assist on a manual not just stop a car moving for a couple of seconds to assist you while not on the brake?

Why would it stop you from moving or delay you, 

or is that more to do with the Stop / Start?

Hi George, 

 

Sorry, I was just about to do the school run and couldn't respond to you properly.  Yes, you've got it.  On a manual it will use the ABS module to temporarily apply the (rear IIRC) brakes to stop the car rolling.  It either disengages when the allotted threshold is met of you find the biting point and start to move forwards.  It's handy for those inclines/quick manoeuvres where the handbrake is overkill.  So in our Fabia, for example, I can roll up to a junction on an incline, with the car in gear and apply the foot brake, the brakes will engage and hold the car for ~10 secs before releasing.  

Thanks.

So to be clear.

 

'Can hold the car for up to 2 seconds, unless you use the accelerator',   

 

& in your case 'Can hold for up to 10 seconds because you made a change from the factory setting, but you can just drive away as soon as the driver wishes'.

Or you can use the manual parking / hand brake on cars without 'Autohold' as people have done for many decades now.

 

If Hillhold assist is stopping a car moving by extra seconds when the driver wants to actually move then there is a brake issue or a software issue.

Edited 6 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

10 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Thanks.

So to be clear.

 

'Can hold the car for up to 2 seconds, unless you use the accelerator',   

 

& in your case 'Can hold for up to 10 seconds because you made a change in from the factory setting, but you can just drive away'.

Or you can use the manual parking / hand brake on cars without 'Autohold' as people have done for many decades now.

 

If Hillhold assist is stopping a car moving by extra seconds when the driver wants to actually move then there is a brake issue or a software issue.

TBH, it's not clear to me what the OP's exact issue is.  Sounds like the default setting which I actually think is 3 or 5 secs as standard (or 'Early' in the ABS module settings on VCDS) isn't enough time for him/his driving conditions but if that's the case the brake can be depressed again to restart the counter or for extended periods the manual handbrake may be the better option. 

 

Yes you can use the hill hold in conjunction with the handbrake.  In fact hill hold will just give that extra bit of control/confidence. Using my previous example; roll up to an inclined junction, apply the footbrake (hill hold engages) The brakes are now engaged, then you realise you may be stationary a while and the handbrake is best.  Even if you don't have your foot on the brake, hill hold will keep the car stationary whilst you apply the handbrake. I'm not sure if the application of the handbrake instantly disables the hill hold or the threshold still counts down.  I've never given that much though, it would be hard to detect and would probably need some knowledge of the ABS module/system to know for sure. 

 

Hill hold won't stop the car moving when you actually want to go.  Once you've worked the clutch/accelerator and found the biting point and move forwards hill hold should disengage immediately, regardless of whether or not you are x seconds into the threshold.  It feels very  similar to the electro handbrake disengaging when you move off in a DSG.  

 

 

The point is that you press the throttle and go. 

There should be no delay or riding a clutch.

Just now, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

The point is that you press the throttle and go. 

There should be no delay or riding a clutch.

Exactly.  It's a smooth and lag free system IME.  

My wife has a manual VW Beetle and that has hill hold.

By the way, I don't know, if it's still tunable on MK3, but on MK2, it was possible to change the standard setting to disengage brake upon early or late rpm for auto hold. I guess the tuning was also applicable to Hill hold assist...

 

Not tested... To be verified:

03-Brakes > Security access : 11966 > Adaptation 10

Select channel "IDE05055-Hydraulic brake assistant"

Change value to « Early » / Save

Edited 6 March, 20206 yr by Bap33