Tried to have a look at whether this topic has been covered before, but got bored of looking and the search function seems to be ****e on my phone.

 

Is the factory induction setup best? Is an aftermarket filter best? Or a whole new intake system best? 

 

I am very reluctant to map the car, given the fear of engine issues. So I want to mod a little but try not to cause too many issues.

 

Any advice would be great

29 minutes ago, AmusedMussel said:

Tried to have a look at whether this topic has been covered before, but got bored of looking and the search function seems to be ****e on my phone.

 

Is the factory induction setup best? Is an aftermarket filter best? Or a whole new intake system best? 

 

I am very reluctant to map the car, given the fear of engine issues. So I want to mod a little but try not to cause too many issues.

 

Any advice would be great

Stock is best. Spend the money on something useful.

@AmusedMussel  Have you opened the Air Box and looked at what it has in yet?

 

There are so any threads on here. Stock might normally be simplest, but it is no actually best.

@Mickmartin

Should be able to help or others can tell you what they are running. 

 Or a can link you the many many threads.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444835-cold-air-induction-kit-vrs-tsi

 

 

Have a look in the Fabia Project section, there are interesting cars there to see just what members are doing.

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

14 minutes ago, chimaera said:

Stock is best. Spend the money on something useful.

 

Hope that's sarcasm lol...….There's many out there far better than standard.

 

The king of the crop for people running bigger power -

 

 https://r-tmg.co.uk/product/rtmg-direct-carbon-cold-air-intake-for-ea211-1-2tsi-1-4-tsi-mqb-platform

 

 

I run a forge setup, battery relocate and custom piping. Chop the front grill and let some air in as the standard air intake position is awful,

 

 

 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Mickmartin

58 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@AmusedMussel  Have you opened the Air Box and looked at what it has in yet?

 

There are so any threads on here. Stock might normally be simplest, but it is no actually best.

@Mickmartin

Should be able to help or others can tell you what they are running. 

 Or a can link you the many many threads.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444835-cold-air-induction-kit-vrs-tsi

 

 

Have a look in the Fabia Project section, there are interesting cars there to see just what members are doing.

On my Polo R-line, which looks VERY similar. I took the top half of the airbox off with the filter and left the bottom half there. Then I fitted a cone filter to the pipe and it fit really nicely into the lower half of the airbox. 

Worked really well for me for mpg, and it felt faster (could be placebo effect) and a nice induction woosh too. But not too asbo

1 hour ago, Mickmartin said:

 

Hope that's sarcasm lol...….There's many out there far better than standard.

 

The king of the crop for people running bigger power -

 

 https://r-tmg.co.uk/product/rtmg-direct-carbon-cold-air-intake-for-ea211-1-2tsi-1-4-tsi-mqb-platform

 

 

I run a forge setup, battery relocate and custom piping. Chop the front grill and let some air in as the standard air intake position is awful,

 

 

 

I am wary about too many upgrades since I have a working (touch wood) CAVE engine, and don't want to upset it. I just wondered what little things I can do to make it run better

48 minutes ago, AmusedMussel said:

I am wary about too many upgrades since I have a working (touch wood) CAVE engine, and don't want to upset it. I just wondered what little things I can do to make it run better

 

Stage 1 lol!!!

 

Can understand the fear of now wanting to upgrade too much, it'll bite at you until you do haha! Then there's exterior mods...…. where will we start🤑

 

 

and sorry I linked you to the wrong RTMG intake - https://r-tmg.co.uk/product/rtmg-carbon-cold-air-intake-ea111-twincharged

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Mickmartin

Its the exact same system as whats on the 1.2TSI, so I'll probably replicate it and see how I go on 

4 hours ago, Mickmartin said:

 

Hope that's sarcasm lol...….There's many out there far better than standard.

 

The king of the crop for people running bigger power -

 

 https://r-tmg.co.uk/product/rtmg-direct-carbon-cold-air-intake-for-ea211-1-2tsi-1-4-tsi-mqb-platform

 

 

I run a forge setup, battery relocate and custom piping. Chop the front grill and let some air in as the standard air intake position is awful,

Not sarcasm. Those things are a waste of money. The stock air filter and housing is generally far bigger than what the engine actually needs. My old 90 bhp B5 Passat had the same air filter and housing as the B5 Audi RS4, and I suspect that design philosophy hasn't changed much. I would challenge anyone who thinks they're remotely useful to find an independent test (not done by the car owner or the kit manufacturer) that shows a benefit. I've tended to find that the people who shout loudest about aftermarket air filters are people who've already bought them and don't want to admit they might have wasted their money.

@chimaera

 

REVO Filter, waste of money, much as the K&N or others replacing the standard filter.

Easy enough to check when you are putting the car on a dyno.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/202991-changing-air-filter-mk2-fabia-vrstsi-guide

 

Well 'generally the stock air filter is not actually bigger than the engine actually needs' with a 1.4 TSI Twincharger. 

It does allow standard to get 177bhp / 180ps. on 95 ron. and more on 98/99 ron.   185ps with the Audi A1 with the same engine.

 But you can get more with a change of air intake / filter, then you can get more again, with other mods.

 

*Skoda / VW had to do Breather Pipe / Valve mods, and a software up date to address issues, then in Australia Breather Mod Mk2 was tried.

Then Oil Spray Jets and a Software update.* 

So in some gods we trust, in VW Group Engineers many do not.

 

VW put the battery in the boot of the Polo Sister car with the same engine and gearbox.

Also put no spare wheel in as standard.

They engineered it to handle pretty well. Allowed a towbar to be fiitted. Even though the car was heavier on wider tyres they had it with lower emissions, a VED band lower.

Vorsprung Durch Technik.  Dont have the cheaper brands show better economy or performance or better value.

 

There is quite a lot that can be done to improve the performance of what Skoda sold and messed up and discontined.

Removing the rear weights they sandbagged the car with is 'Simply Clever'. 

 

Battery is best turned, or moved to the boot.

That was a strange Engineering solution to something that was not an issue.

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

I just like the whoosh and better mpg

2 hours ago, chimaera said:

Not sarcasm. Those things are a waste of money. The stock air filter and housing is generally far bigger than what the engine actually needs. My old 90 bhp B5 Passat had the same air filter and housing as the B5 Audi RS4, and I suspect that design philosophy hasn't changed much. I would challenge anyone who thinks they're remotely useful to find an independent test (not done by the car owner or the kit manufacturer) that shows a benefit. I've tended to find that the people who shout loudest about aftermarket air filters are people who've already bought them and don't want to admit they might have wasted their money.

 Each to their own and all that.
 

Personally I’m willing to listen to manufacturers figures and dyno runs albeit even if they are not independent. It’s a massive industry with god knows how many millions and when you consider probably 3/4 of tuned car’s have custom intakes I struggle to side with you.

 

Again that’s my only thoughts and I’m not asking you to agree .

 

Rtmg for example use dyno and Dragy GPS to prove gains like so:

 

Dragy
 

 

Dyno

 

The manufacturers want to sell you something, so they'll be biased in favour of their product: confirmation bias all around. Customers don't want to feel bad about their purchase: choice-supportive bias kicks in (looks like yours certainly has).

 

A lot of these aftermarket kits get rid of the factory cold air intake and put the filter/intake inside the engine: guaranteed to cost power and economy.

 

The 'high-flow' filters often manage the higher flow by reducing filtration efficiency, so larger airborne particles get into the engine.

 

Oiled filters have a bad reputation for killing certain types of MAF sensors.

 

A lot of tuned cars have modified intakes because customers have been convinced by threads like this that they need them: it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Intakes always start arguments no matter the car club, forum or group. Very divisive for some reason.

 

I'm probably going to go and buy a £20 Halfrauds special and jubilee clip it onto the hose and use the standard airbox. Worked fine in my 1.2TSI, made a nice sound with the throttle and got decent mpg increase. 

Will agree with the oiled filters though. Every single one I have installed has destroyed the MAF in any car I have tried to put them in. K&N = Dog****

You only need to remove the co-ck sock from the standard filter.

If you look through this forum for the past 10 years you will see everything was tried and there have been some real rubbish mods.

Behind the battery is a very hot area.

Hot sunny days, runnung the car hard, sitting in the sun parked then starting the car again.

 

A Cold Intake feed is a good move.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/316115-review-fabia-vrs=homemade-induction-kit-ipen-cone-filter

 

 

 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

15 minutes ago, chimaera said:

The manufacturers want to sell you something, so they'll be biased in favour of their product: confirmation bias all around. Customers don't want to feel bad about their purchase: choice-supportive bias kicks in (looks like yours certainly has).

 

A lot of these aftermarket kits get rid of the factory cold air intake and put the filter/intake inside the engine: guaranteed to cost power and economy.

 

The 'high-flow' filters often manage the higher flow by reducing filtration efficiency, so larger airborne particles get into the engine.

 

Oiled filters have a bad reputation for killing certain types of MAF sensors.

 

A lot of tuned cars have modified intakes because customers have been convinced by threads like this that they need them: it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I get your scepticism. Still don’t agree lol but I see where your coming from with the advertising etc......I've owned enough modified hot hatches to be bias from my side as I’ve installed the likes of a £20 K&N cone filters to a £500 GruppeM ram filter, I remember fitting only open cone filter to my EP3 civic type R and it hit 155mph, 9mph more than the manufacturers top speed.

 

As @AmusedMussel wrote, it’s always a hot topic for debates.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

You only need to remove the co-ck sock from the standard filter.

If you look through this forum for the past 10 years you will see everything was tried and there have been some real rubbish mods.

Behind the battery is a very hot area.

 

A Cold Intake feed is a good move.

 
Good luck making 480bhp in a mk2 Fabia Vrs with a stock airbox lol!

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Mickmartin

8 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

You only need to remove the co-ck sock from the standard filter.

If you look through this forum for the past 10 years you will see everything was tried and there have been some real rubbish mods.

Behind the battery is a very hot area.

Hot sunny days, runnung the car hard, sitting in the sun parked then starting the car again.

 

A Cold Intake feed is a good move.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/316115-review-fabia-vrs=homemade-induction-kit-ipen-cone-filter

 

 

 

**** sock 😂😂😂😂 thats the white thing right? Is that all it takes to get some induction noise? 

 

Has anyome tried removing the cladding from the bonnet? That have any benefits?

1 minute ago, Mickmartin said:

 
Good luck making 480bhp in a mk2 Fabia Vrs with a stock airbox lol!

I would not trust myself with 400hp in a Fwd car! Hahaha

@Mickmartin

The thread is about someone running a standard car with standard map and wanting some woosh.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/388541-air-filter

 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Just now, AmusedMussel said:

**** sock 😂😂😂😂 thats the white thing right? Is that all it takes to get some induction noise? 

 

Has anyome tried removing the cladding from the bonnet? That have any benefits?

Nah, Just cut holes in it😃

Yeah, I'm not mapping. I've had bad experiences in the past with it and I don't want to push my luck. My fabia seems to be ok thus far 🥰

Just now, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@Mickmartin

The thread is about someone running a standard car with standard map and wanting some woosh.

Yep totally.

 

No woosh with a standard box, unless he buys a Bov/diverter valve.

Just not a Forge BOV though.....

3 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Just not a Forge BOV though.....

Christ I’d be as well turning my car back to standard if this keeps up🤧 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Mickmartin