Good morning, 

 

As in the title I have a 2007 Octavia VRS TFSI Estate, and the rear suspension is just old and well past its use-by date. When its loaded up at all its just bouncy and horrible. 

 

My usual motor factors is struggling to pin point what it is I need, and I just have a couple of questions for anyone in the know! 

 

- Are the VRS springs different than standard (I see a lot of ebay listings that seem to think they arent)

- Are the dampers the same as standard

 

I'm just struggling to find any sort of solid info, have read posts that say they are the same, 15mm lower, 30mm lower etc I just dont know what to believe! 

 

Not looking to go down the lowering route as I enjoy my country roads and do have a decent bit of weight in it from time to time! 

 

Many thanks, 

 

Warren. 

10 hours ago, wr6warren said:

Good morning, 

 

As in the title I have a 2007 Octavia VRS TFSI Estate, and the rear suspension is just old and well past its use-by date. When its loaded up at all its just bouncy and horrible. 

 

My usual motor factors is struggling to pin point what it is I need, and I just have a couple of questions for anyone in the know! 

 

- Are the VRS springs different than standard (I see a lot of ebay listings that seem to think they arent)

- Are the dampers the same as standard

 

I'm just struggling to find any sort of solid info, have read posts that say they are the same, 15mm lower, 30mm lower etc I just dont know what to believe! 

 

Not looking to go down the lowering route as I enjoy my country roads and do have a decent bit of weight in it from time to time! 

 

Many thanks, 

 

Warren. 

 

Bouncy could indicate worn shock absorbers, not sagging springs. Unless you've owned the car from new you won't know if someone has put non-standard springs on.

 

The 2.0 litre 200HP RS model uses sports springs which are lower and stiffer than standard springs.

 

autodoc.co.uk show these Sachs springs as suitable for the RS model.

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/coil-springs-10213/skoda/octavia/octavia-combi-1z5/19459-2-0-rs?criteria[100]=VA&supplier[1]=32

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/coil-springs-10213/skoda/octavia/octavia-combi-1z5/19459-2-0-rs?criteria[100]=HA&supplier[1]=32

 

Front springs vary depending on whether you have a manual gearbox or automatic.

 

If you can find the OEM part numbers for the RS shock absorbers, it may be easy to find matching aftermarket parts. Once you know the OEM part numbers, you can search on autodoc.co.uk for matching aftermarket parts using those numbers.

There is previous posts on this very subject. In short the standard ride height of RS models was said to be 15mm lower. 

 

There are colour rings on the springs which indicate their type. 

 

The other thing to be aware of the original springs on RS models were different between Estate and Hatch.

 

The reason why it is confusing is that the aftermarket consolidate the number of spring options available so there is often far fewer options than the original fitment. 

Thanks guys, the fronts have been replaced just before I bought the car with a Sachs setup so not looking to change them just yet, rears are original with 113k on them so far as I can sell from the history. Il have a look on auto doc for parts, not a website I’ve ever used before! 
 

The rear, even with 2 normal sized adults and nothing in the boot seems to bottom out very easily and bounces more than I’d like, is that normal for one of these? The entire rear suspension does look knackered, the springs have lost a good bit of their black coating and are mostly rust, I do think I’d just like to replace the lot. It’s also very crashy, I have a Boxster as well and I would consider its ride to be considerably more comfortable. 
 

 

It seems pretty normal to see stuff like this (just an eBay ad in this case), but the 2.0 RS is in the list of vehicles that it fits, then below it says it will not fit sports suspension. Is this just a case of will it physically fit - yes, but is it right - no.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, TheClient said:

al springs on RS models were different between Estate and Hatch.

 

The reason why it is confusing is that the aftermarket consolidate the number of spring

The standing ride heights for different chassis are published (assuming they they are correctly reflected):

 

https://workshop-manuals.com/skoda/octavia-mk2/axles_steering/wheels_tyres._axle_align/chassis_specified_values_of_steering_geometry/rear_axle_specified_values_of_steering_geometry/

 

380mm for front and 376mm for rear,  my estate on original sus is about 375 Front and 364mm rear, respectively, so sagged noticeably at rear. And that is how it looks to the eye. 

 

You will also see there are variants of standard ride height based on different PR susbsets and this is where the confusion can come on 15mm vs 18mm vs ?? ride height differences. It depends on the exact specification of the standard car you are comparing to.

 

So far as ordering parts, I much prefer to use a detailed aftermarket catalogue such as Meyle or Lemforder or Bilstein and match that for the exact  orginal vehicle part listed and backward check, it is also not the same part as listed for a standard non sports vehicle.  But doing so can still create some confusion as in the below example:

 

Take this listing of sports chassis front springs for octavia mk2 estate - 2UC chassis:

 

Mine has red white and pink dots so assume it is 1K0 411 105 DB.

 

If you then search on that oem code on Auoto Doc you get a heap of spring options but most are listed at 307mm vs the eibach at 296mm.  Some, even the Bilsteins B£ OEM, do not specify.  I think I would want to call the manufacturer and ask before committing!!!

 

Confusing: Yes, I think I'd agree.

 

OEM Part Listing:

part code	title	note	quantity	data model	information
		suspension shock absorber (spring cyl.) for vehicles with lowered running gear anti-roll bar			estate car: fr.wheel drv PR-2UC
1	1K0 411 105 AL	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	red white blue	2	PR-L03
(1)	1K0 411 105 EQ	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark also marked with: 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	green blue red white green	2	PR-L74
(1)	1K0 411 105 AT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red white blue	2	PR-L10
(1)	1K0 411 105 DA	coil spring 3 paint marks 1 paint mark	red grey	2	PR-L55
(1)	1K0 411 105 DB	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	red white violet	2	PR-L58
(1)	1K0 411 105 DC	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	red violet	2	PR-L59
(1)	1K0 411 105 DD	coil spring 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red violet	2	PR-L62
(1)	1K0 411 105 DE	coil spring 1 paint mark 3 paint marks	red violet	2	PR-L63
(1)	1K0 411 105 FB	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red white green	2	PR-L75

 

 

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0411105db

 

That’s a fantastically detailed response, thanks so much! Will have to give it a measure when I’m home to see if it has sagged at all, I’ve owned quite a few cars and none of them have felt quite as messy as this one has loaded up, its the only estate I’ve had too, I’d have thought they’d be better designed for it too! 
 

I actually went ahead and bought some Bilstein shocks, Sachs springs and new bump stops, all marked as for sports suspension. Paid a little bit more to get their hassle free returns too incase none of it fits properly. So we shall see...... 

Though doubting it already, the ones you have linked me to are all 307mm length and the one I’ve bought is 330mm

 

33 minutes ago, wr6warren said:

Though doubting it already, the ones you have linked me to are all 307mm length and the one I’ve bought is 330mm

 

 

 

The OEM part number for the front springs on a manual gearbox Octavia Estate MK2 RS 200HP is 1K0411105DA (Sachs 998 411)

The OEM part number for the front springs on an automatic gearbox Octavia Estate MK2 RS 200HP is 1K0411105DB (Sachs 993 053)

The OEM part number for the rear springs on the Octavia Estate MK2 RS 200HP is 1K0511115BS (Sachs 994 454)

 

1K0411105DB is heavier duty than 1K0411105DA to account for the extra weight of the automatic gearbox.

 

Sources of information:

gknautomotive.com

autodoc.co.uk

Edited 9 June, 20205 yr by Carlston