I see the first of many newly designed road junction Cyclops (Cycle Optimised Protected Signals) is up & running in Manchester & the city has £79million to spend on them😲

There was never any money top repair potholes though!

 

The first thing I will need is a manual!

 

What are the red bits about?

25 minutes ago, StickyMicky said:

The first thing I will need is a manual!

 

What are the red bits about?

 

 

The green is for cyclist, scooters etc & the red is for pedestrians only.

12 minutes ago, lancpudn said:

The green is for cyclist, scooters etc & the red is for pedestrians only.

 

OK, thanks.

 

Nice of them to concentrate the prey into designated areas

 

Are the regs still "as is"?  The painted areas are for guidance not in law?

 

1 minute ago, StickyMicky said:

 

OK, thanks.

 

Nice of them to concentrate the prey into designated areas

 

Are the regs still "as is"?  The painted areas are for guidance not in law?

 

 

LOL. Not sure about the law side of it, I'm just reading up on it myself.  https://www.bikebiz.com/manchester-opens-uks-first-cyclops-junction/

right, my first dumb question is...

 

if it looks like its to be used like a roundabout in terms of cycling, why does it need the cycle stopping boxes on the approaches?

There are traffic lights still there, more space for pedestrians and cycles away from the nasty cars... 🚙🚚🚛🚜🏍️🛵🚌🚐

4 hours ago, lancpudn said:

I see the first of many newly designed road junction Cyclops (Cycle Optimised Protected Signals) is up & running in Manchester & the city has £79million to spend on them😲

There was never any money top repair potholes though!

 

 

That's just designed to confuse. I just like the way cyclists get all this whilst paying nothing to use the road..

And yeah, cos people like being told what to do and where to go........... What a waste.

Surely they have NI & PAYE or Self Cert, pay Council Tax, VAT etc, unless totally illegal, so pay for the roads, pavements and emissions / pollution even if they use no planes, trains or automobiles,

but then those 'renting' e-scooters are now going to have to have a 'Driving Licence' according to the DfT.

We have a few stupidly designed junctions here in the big smoke... Often you will get some way across the junction or mid junction, to turn right, say and then find the lights change again, with new white lines on the exit side, meaning you MUST stop again. You may well be mid way but as its a new white line, stopping is the rule. You then block the road you were coming through and vehicles now getting a green light, will be driving up to you and getting stuck. So the cycle continues. 

 

In theory, it should all flow fine but in heavy traffic, its tricky and all it takes is one pedestrian to cross at the red man sign, one cyclist to go at a red cycle light (Yep-they have those) Or someone jumping the lights, preventing the natural flow of traffic from exiting safely and it all goes up the poop-tunnel!

 

The problem is, drivers are expected to know the rules, despite often having a completely new set up (Ok, natural progression, continual development, etc) but cycles and pedestrians basically, never have a clue or simply don't care one way or another. 

 

Then, with such a mixed community of drivers from massively diverse backgrounds, many just simply drive the way they would, "back home". (This is the term I hear frequently, by drivers of many ages and backgrounds, as a driving instructor).

 

So, the new stylee of modern junctions should work great and it would, if not for people trying to use it!  

 

BTW, that overlay actually looks quite good. Study it for a while and it all makes sense. However, people will fudge it all up!

 

P.S. Is that actually a model or a real junction? It looks a little too clean to be real. 

 

79 Mil, could be much better spent, TELLING road users not to go against the flow/lights/etc or they will lose their licence/life and/or perhaps face massive payouts/claims against them. Make people responsible for their own actions, I say!

3 hours ago, Jfhuk said:

 

That's just designed to confuse. I just like the way cyclists get all this whilst paying nothing to use the road..

 

Oh come on not that old moan, Road Tax was abolished in 1937, vehicle tax is chucked in the general tax pot, and anyway what we pay for vehicles is pollution based, and bikes don't pollute. I'm all for taxing all vehicles at say £1 a kilo, so pushbike about a tenner, so how heavy is your car? Be around £1500 for an S3, still fancy taxing bikes, thought not.

1 hour ago, NJRJ said:

 

Oh come on not that old moan, Road Tax was abolished in 1937, vehicle tax is chucked in the general tax pot, and anyway what we pay for vehicles is pollution based, and bikes don't pollute. I'm all for taxing all vehicles at say £1 a kilo, so pushbike about a tenner, so how heavy is your car? Be around £1500 for an S3, still fancy taxing bikes, thought not.

Typical cyclist give me everything, I don’t want to pay for anything, I’ll never get out of your way on a footpath, never say thanks if you let me go first and wave v signs if I try to point out that your about to hit a pothole.
 

Cyclists need to comprehend nothing comes for free, get some manners and adopt some road sense, stop leaving gates open on farm tracks, realise red lights apply to you to and stop going the wrong way up one way streets.

 

Of course you never do that. Because your perfect, but I’ve rarely seen any of the perfect lot, just the nutters.

 

ps yes I have had enough of the Lycra nutters today forcing me off footpaths.

 

Plus the smell of the cyclist guy that fell in a pile of horse poop today was certainly polluting 😊

Edited 7 July, 20205 yr by Jfhuk

20 hours ago, mac11irl said:

right, my first dumb question is...

 

if it looks like its to be used like a roundabout in terms of cycling, why does it need the cycle stopping boxes on the approaches?

 

I think the idea is it caters for all cyclists -be they confident in traffic or not.  Those that are use the Advance Stop Line's, those that aren't can go round the edge via the cycle crossings.  I'd hate to see the operational assessment for that in LinSIG - I bet it's a nightmare in terms of queues and delay but overall safer...

overall safer, maybe............... until impatience kicks in.

Even if they build a dedicated lane for each and every turn-off, people in the wrong lane would still puck it up.......

 

A flyover, for each and every turn-off / exit could work, Lol................... until the person realising they've still got the wrong lane just stops dead, wondering how they can get across, and then starts reversing, Lel.  (laughs even louder).

Edited 9 July, 20205 yr by Tilt

2 hours ago, Tilt said:

until the person realising they've still got the wrong lane just stops dead, wondering how they can get across, and then starts reversing

 

Had one of those in heavy traffic on the M65 t'other day.  Didn't half cause a furore!