It would be great to know in which way the Kodiaq vRS has been one of the most successful variants.

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Was it in the numbers sold, or profits made, or how much social media and press coverage that Haymarket Media Group so Piston Heads, Autocar & Whatcar have given it even though Globally so few have sold?

Seeing how expensive they are in Europe it’s pretty clear that they make the most margin from the RS. Absolute cash cow for ŠKODA even though market share for the model wasn’t as much as Octavia RS

6 hours ago, StealthRS245 said:

Local news site saying today that it's to be replaced with a petrol version, likely the 272 from the Superb: https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2022-skoda-kodiaq-rs-facelift-to-ditch-diesel-in-australia 

How awesome would a Kodiaq VRS petrol be... slap on a hybrid IS38 and you have yourself a 450hp SUV

Does it come with a personal petrol station on the options list? 🤣

 

sounds well fun though!

Would be like a Cupra Ateca without the rubbish interior... I somewhat doubt it'll be getting the full fat 280PS motor (MY21 Superb has had the OPF engine bumped back up to 280PS) but instead the Octavia RS 245PS motor. Not sure if Skoda would get approval to get the same engine as their upcoming flagship Tiguan R but who knows as the Tiguan R has an uprated tune of 320PS.

Surely a Plug in Hybrid given the 'Very soon to tighten emissions regulations in Europe',  and the UK and Republic of Ireland parts of Europe.

 

Skoda need to get the Average Co2 g/km where they need it to be.

Since they will not be selling the CitiGo iV in Europe they will be needing to get plenty sold of the Mild and Plug in Hybrids being bought and also their only EV as in the Enyaq .

Don't believe what Skoda claim for the 272 engine. Mine produced 283bhp as standard on 99 octane Shell pump fuel or 287PS not the stated 272PS presumably on supermarket 95 octane fuel.

The 272 ps should be the minimum power achievable.  (especially on a rolling road in the UK with cool air blowing at the intake)

not the maximum power on 95 octane and at what ever ambient temp you get where the car might be and at what ever height above sea level.

So in the UK or a dyno or a road you are not going to be more than 3,500 foot above sea level or at temps below -30*oC or more than 40*oC. (Until global warming / climate change really hits the UK.)

 

PS.

Supermarket 95 ron minimum is no different from a 'Lovely Shell / BP filling station in a rural areas 95 min ron / octane petrol'. 

The clue is in the 95 octane.

 

The 97 ron and 99 ron is also the Minimum octane it will be, it can be higher.

Edited 8 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

On 08/09/2020 at 00:18, ZacDaMan72 said:

Enyaq 80 is 204PS 310Nm with an 8.5s 0-100 with the 'Founders Edition' being £49,995 pre govt. grant. Pretty obvious the 80X and RS will cost more than the Kodiaq RS equipped with the same spec level.

I agree. The RS Enyaq will definitely cost more than the Kodiaq Rs does, at least over here in NZ where Kodiaq is realistically priced.
Reservations on that as a Kodiaq replacement are still the range and how long to charge on normal power supplies. Is really only going to do around 400kms as in EVs you never drive to the full range before charging, vs 600kms+ currently, and the ground clearance looks more car like than SUV. So more of a city car than a regional one that the Kodiaq fits so well.

As far as performance for the 80 and RS, will be interesting to see what the 80 to 140kph passing situation time is as the Enyaq has less torque than the VRS Kodiaq does and I'd guess quite a bit more weight. That's one of the advantages between the Kodiaq models (the progressive steering is another) , the VRs motor is great for passing and going up hills easy. Still, based on more guesswork, on how the Enyaq's 0-100kph is only slightly better with 60 more HP and probably the AWD electric motors hooking up from 0 kph vs DSG helping there too. 
I'd rather have a petrol RS Kodiaq replacement if I had to personally as the electric option just isn't practical for what I do and where I live. 

Edited 8 September, 20205 yr by snala

Yeah it’s suit my town driving but for long distance we don’t really have that good a infrastructure. I’d only have an electric car for town i.e. e-Golf. 

@snala VW will be doing a EV that can go places on not tarred roads as others are.

As far as the AWD Enyaq and over taking and acceleration, if you are following one when it goes for an overtake you can be certain your Kodiaq vRS will not be keeping up with it or be able to get the overtake done as quick as it.

 

Look at the Nm torque with EV's and remember it is there all the time.

Look at a ICE and you need to see when in the rev range you are getting Max Nm torque, or Max PS / BHP.

 

339 lb/ft is 459Nm.

 

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Yes will be interesting to see how it goes with the 60hp extra and torque vs the extra weight. Presume with it's top speed not hitting 200kph it is restricted for some reason. 

You really need to try driving a EV.

Actually they need to be put on Dynos because as Skoda / SEAT might sometimes be down playing models performances over the years because funnily Audi or VW want their heavier cars to look better because they are more expensive, EV manufacturers are having vehicles get good insurance group numbers.

 

'Not many are driving around in family sized SUV type vehicles/ or People carriers about at the 'Kerb Weight',

or maybe the issue is that too many do drive 7 seaters around with only 1 or 2 seats occupied, with the need for speed on the occasional overtake'

 

'Feels fast', 'mid range torque'.

You do not want feels or sounds fast, you want actually is fast from the throttle floored and forget fake sounds generated to go with the fast feeling.

Full range torque makes a difference.

 

The Skoda EV is not going to be towing much in the way of trailers etc if only able to go to 1,200kg.

 

Kerb Weights are interesting.

ICE vehicles need fuel in that tank, maybe a full tank.

Then passengers in a vehicle and acceleration might well have any vehicles being compared a few hundred KG heavier than the Manufacturers figures with some 60kg driver only.

 

http://www.ev-database.uk/car/1282/Skoda-Enyaq-iV-RS

 

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Skoda measure their kerb weight from the DIN figure which includes a 90% full tank of fuel then add the 75kg driver on top of that. An Enyaq 80 is already 300kg heavier than a Kodiaq RS so we'll have to see whether the low centre of gravity can counteract the sheer mass - the Kodiaq RS handles well compared to similarly sized SUVs even with it's somewhat low tech suspension setup.

A good point well made.

Put your car on the public weigh bridge and see what it actually weighs.

 

300kg difference depending on who is printing the Kerb Weight.   There are so many dodgy weights given.

So lets say we go with Skoda weights.

That will be without optional extras.    Maybe the driver and passengers will be vegans or vegetarians.

Just skinny things.

 

 

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Do you really think I'd be getting my technical details anywhere but from Skoda? No official specification on weight for the 80X and RS from Skoda as of yet.

 

 

 

I see where you are getting your figures, just not sure where the already 300kg heavier comes from.

Even a Corsa-E is around 1,500kg so EV not known for being lightweights.

@shyVRS245

I have read that 1,500kg figures as well. 

Not on the car though, just in the Media.  Funnily also given for the lighter SE version on 16" wheels. & both get the same WLTP numbers. which are fiction.

 

 

Anyway i am 120kg and my passengers are likely not light weight, and the portapotti in the boot and pop up tent etc and not light or the roof bars, bike rack and bike if carried.

Not that relevant really if the torque is there to get a shift on from the pressing of the accelerator for overtakes and we know the story on the UK speed limits from yesterdays posts on 'tuning cars'.

 

I will put it on corner weights empty and full and on the dyno in the next wee while.

 

 

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

I see where you are getting your figures, just not sure where the already 300kg heavier comes from.

Enyaq 80 kerb weight 2075-2293kg Kodiaq RS kerb weight 1895kg-2015kg. So I meant 200kg more average weight but there is an almost 400kg difference at the ends of the scale.

I see 1950kg given for the 80. 

But then people publish numbers that Skoda CZ or VW are giving out.  Unless AutoExpress and they get from 'Factory Insiders' so the same thing.

 

Maybe we best stick with comparing AWD models and the top of the range / most powerful versions when talking performance and prices.

So that would be vRS of either models and maybe also worth a thought on the cost to cover an annual mileage on the diesel vs the electric.

That would be in the EU Countries and others where the 'regulations for emissions' mean the demise of the Kodiaq vRS, 'One of the most successful Kodiaq Variants',  in the mind of a Skoda Spin Doctor that is.  Getting global numbers from them usually comes up with 'Vehicles Produced', and not vehicles sold brand new to customers other than Skoda Dealerships then sold as used.

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Figures for the 80X and RS aren't available from Skoda directly, else I would have used those figures for comparison obviously. It's not like the dual motor versions will be lighter anyways, there will for sure be more of a delta.

On 10/09/2020 at 00:11, e-Roottoot said:

Maybe we best stick with comparing AWD models and the top of the range / most powerful versions when talking performance and prices.

So that would be vRS of either models and maybe also worth a thought on the cost to cover an annual mileage on the diesel vs the electric.

It probably wont be any cost saving over here in NZ as I would guess conservatively that the VRS EV will be easily be a minimum of $10k more than a Vrs Kodiaq is now. With a plan covering services at $400 a year and $2000 for the diesel to do an average say 20,000kms in mileage yearly, that's 4 years of ownership just in the up front cost without factoring the actual electricity cost and the inconvenience of charging and the limited range to overcome. EVs are going to pay road user tax here soon also which is fair enough too.

 

That deals with NZ then which might well be a market that is not that important in the bigger picture.  The demise of the Kodiak vRS is about emission regulations in Europe and not RoW.    There will always be a need for vehicles that can tow heavy trailers and go longer distances, they just don't need to be tarted up and pretend to be sporty.  But then the same applies to the dual use pickups that are more lifestyle than work vehicle.

Edited 14 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Walk round of an Enyaq in a Swedish Skoda dealers

 

 

On 15/09/2020 at 11:44, Jfhuk said:

Walk round of an Enyaq in a Swedish Norwegian Skoda dealers

Fixed that for you.