Hi guys,

 

Still trying to figure out what engine I have in my vrs. Its a replacement, nothing said in the paperwork, no markings on the block and no changes on any of the stickers on the chassis.

 

Is there a difference in bhp between the CAVE and CTHE or some other way I can figure out which I have?

 

Thanks in advance

Doesn’t it say on the logbook, or the sticker in the boot? The sticker in my boot shows I have an Mk1 vRS ASZ engine rather than the BLT, which was put in them from a certain date. 

 

I reckon that if you post up the date of manufacture some knowledgeable folk on here will have a decent idea. 

CAVE engines had big problems with oil consumption so if yours has been replaced under warranty by Skoda then there should be a record of it somewhere. 
Failing that, you might find a mark on the engine block or if you post a pic up, then someone might be able to tell you just from looking. 

The engine code/number is normally on a label on the timing cover. Other than that ring any dealers that are listed in the service history and see if any of them know what the story is.

I can check it on Monday when I’m back in work if you haven’t found out by then 

12 minutes ago, chimaera said:

The engine code/number is normally on a label on the timing cover. Other than that ring any dealers that are listed in the service history and see if any of them know what the story is.

I would say sometimes rather than normally, in my experience. That said, I’m normally working on older cars.

 

Had a MK2 vRS in on Friday and didn’t have the engine code on the timing cover. 

There are no markings at all anywhere on the block or in the usual places. The tirewell in the boot has the original engine sticker in. No additional stickers. 

 

It was done under warranty, partial payment from Skoda and was done by a Skoda franchise. I have the invoices but there are no references to the engine codes whatsoever. The skoda franchise don't even know when I called. It was too long ago.

 

I'm really at a loss for a way to check

1 hour ago, jars said:

I can check it on Monday when I’m back in work if you haven’t found out by then 

That'd be great if you have a way of finding out? 

Would not the new engine data - from which the type could be determined from Skoda - have been updated onto the DVLA website when it was replaced? 

55 minutes ago, AmusedMussel said:

There are no markings at all anywhere on the block or in the usual places. The tirewell in the boot has the original engine sticker in. No additional stickers. 

 

It was done under warranty, partial payment from Skoda and was done by a Skoda franchise. I have the invoices but there are no references to the engine codes whatsoever. The skoda franchise don't even know when I called. It was too long ago.

 

I'm really at a loss for a way to check

Any part number on the invoices?

1 hour ago, AmusedMussel said:

That'd be great if you have a way of finding out? 

Not a problem at all. PM me

your registration number at some point this weekend if you don’t get your answer 

It doesn't matter because they would only have replaced like for like so that all your ancillaries and electrical/electronic systems would have fitted without modification. Power output is largely dependent on the turbo and ECU so unless they fitted a different unit it will be the same.

They did just replace like for like.

But when a CAVE engine was replaced some say they got a CTHE engine.   Some have requested the Spec of the engine that arrived.

They did not get a CTHE engine as built after mid / late 2012, they got a CAVE engine new in a Crate from the Refurbishing Plant quite often, or from th3 stock built with the newer pistons and rings and scrapers and the Oil Spray Jets.  (Squirters.)

Some required a new ECU when they failed to run.  Some arrived with the new ECU and some were trouble for the Techs to get to run and had to wait a while to until one arrived from Germany.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/324108-replacement-engines-engine-numbers-v5-dvla-skoda-uk-what-happened

 

A member is currently hunting for answers on a 1.8TSI and the replacement his car is fitted with in India.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/452890-yeti-18tsi-brand-new-engine-a-success-story

 

PS

A Briskoda Member had 2 replacement engines and this is down to when Skoda / VW were replacing CAVE engines with other identical CAVE engines and they had not actually got a fix on what the issue was because they were still farting about with Software updates and Breather mods and fitting the crap plugs.

 

Vorsprung Durch Technik.   Well not really!

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/353149-fabia-mk2-vrs-14tsi-replacement-engines-replaced-how-many

 

Remember that after the CTHE engines were introduced there were still issue, cars stil got Software Updates and even the breather mod and new Oil Squirtters.

Usually because Skoda Employees never knew their arse from their elbow.

Or the details of what they were working on and being supplied with.   It was the usual VWGroup denial,  overblown on the Internet even though there was a 20% plus failure rate. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

So

 

 

 

 

 

 

What.

All were not fitted without modification.

Some had new breathers, the first upgrade or the 2nd upgrade that was tried out first in Australia, some got a new Cat, because the original was gubbed, some a new water pump and belts, the Software was updated, some got a new ECU and the engine was a 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132 kW Twincharger and then some had the performance of a 1.4TSI / TFSI 132-136kW twin charger after replacement.

So the like for like is not actually like for like.  

Edited 20 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Except it is when you're talking about replacing an engine core and none of the detail changes are relevant to anything other than the practical task of replacing the engine core and all the spitting, frothing and shouting doesn't make any difference.

 

It's irrelevant.

If anyone is interested in what happened.

With the first Mk2 Fabia vRS introduced from April / May 2010 then by late 2010 and early 2011 some had a engine rebuild. (The SEAT Ibiza Twinchargers were on sale from 2009 and VW Group already knew of the issues.)

Then Skoda / VW started approving  Short Unit's undr warranty , then eventually it went to a Base Unit being delivered to the Dealerships.

After the demise of the CAVE in mid 2012 and the CTHE introduced the engine being imported to use had changed and had the upgraded parts.

 

So there was quite a lot that went on with replacing CAVE and then CTHE engines from 2010-2012/13, and then 2013 til now as engines are still failing.

 

Funnily Skoda UK / VW UK like to tell owners that ask what their car had in the way of a Warranty replaced engine to ask the Dealership that fitted them, 

but they have no knowledge.  Odd really as they imported the units and paid for the work.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/421365-links-to-lucifers-ultimate-guide-to-14-tsi-twincharger-engines

 

Edited 20 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

If anyone is interested in what happened.

With the first Mk2 Fabia vRS introduced from April / May 2010 then by late 2010 and early 2011 some had a engine rebuild. (The SEAT Ibiza Twinchargers were on sale from 2009 and VW Group already knew of the issues.)

Then Skoda / VW started approving  Short Unit's undr warranty , then eventually it went to a Base Unit being delivered to the Dealerships.

After the demise of the CAVE in mid 2012 and the CTHE introduced the engine being imported to use had changed and had the upgraded parts.

 

So there was quite a lot that went on with replacing CAVE and then CTHE engines from 2010-2012/13, and then 2013 til now as engines are still failing.

 

Funnily Skoda UK / VW UK like to tell owners that ask what their car had in the way of a Warranty replaced engine to ask the Dealership that fitted them, 

but they have no knowledge.  Odd really as they imported the units and paid for the work.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/421365-links-to-lucifers-ultimate-guide-to-14-tsi-twincharger-engines

 

You love to go off tangent don’t you , the op just wants to know wether he has a cave or cthe engine in his car 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

@thomasaspin

Give the answer then wise boy.

 

It is hard to know. You can look at the build date, you can look where manufactured or you can ask Skoda / VW UK what parts the engine was built using.

You can investigate the ECU, look at the code on the label.

You can look a long time mister. All night long.

 

 

Edited 20 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Pointless and irrelevant.

 

Imagine if a BLT engine core was used to replace an ASZ, how would you tell and why would you care?

 

Dudes a troll, he hijacks every thread to make it about him, he might as well be a bot just pasting random crap, hell he doesn't even drive a Skoda any more and doesn't have the practical mechanical expertise to even understand the point I'm making.

 

4 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

Pointless and irrelevant.

 

Imagine if a BLT engine core was used to replace an ASZ, how would you tell and why would you care?

 

Dudes a troll, he hijacks every thread to make it about him, he might as well be a bot just pasting random crap, hell he doesn't even drive a Skoda any more and doesn't have the practical mechanical expertise to even understand the point I'm making.

 

Glad someone agrees absolute waste of time and effort even replying to him 

@sepulchrave  You need to get with the pace.  You know nothing about what i drive.

It has nothing to do with me, or you popping in with no answer to the actual subject and sometimes totally duff gen.

I own a Mk2 Fabia vRS and others before this one.

 

@thomasaspin

Changed days now that you are an engine builder / tuner from when you thanked me.

Edited 20 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

21 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

@sepulchrave  You need to get with the pace.  You know nothing about what i drive.

It has nothing to do with me, or you popping in with no answer to the actual subject and sometimes totally duff gen.

I own a Mk2 Fabia vRS and others before this one.

 

@thomasaspin

Changed days now that you are an engine builder / tuner from when you thanked me.

As if you have nothing better to do than troll through old posts 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

I have a photographic memory, i remember posts and those that arrive knowing not that much but learn quick.

Can't live with a full-time keyboard warrior like you sunshine, your bio says you drive a Corsa and various other crap, no mention of a VRS, I know you used to drive one a few years back, so many name changes since then it's hard to keep track but I know a pro when I see one 😉