I leave my stop start off and put into N with handbrake on.

It is better to use N rather than P. The danger of using P is that should someone hit you from behind while stopped it could go from just a small ding in the rear and being able to carry on driving to gearbox damage and needing to be recovered.

48 minutes ago, Phil-E said:

It is better to use N rather than P. The danger of using P is that should someone hit you from behind while stopped it could go from just a small ding in the rear and being able to carry on driving to gearbox damage and needing to be recovered.

 

Good point. 

5 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Which version does my new 7 speed Karoq 190ps use out of interest?

I think it's the DQ381 in the 190TSI.

2 hours ago, Phil-E said:

It is better to use N rather than P. The danger of using P is that should someone hit you from behind while stopped it could go from just a small ding in the rear and being able to carry on driving to gearbox damage and needing to be recovered.

I did not know that, so thanks for the tip.

Well I'm now using N when stopping at traffic lights etc, having applied handbrake. But as referred to earlier, when lifting my foot off the brake pedal the engine restarts, which kind of defeats the reason for stop/start in the first place.

27 minutes ago, Dale_Stevens said:

Well I'm now using N when stopping at traffic lights etc, having applied handbrake. But as referred to earlier, when lifting my foot off the brake pedal the engine restarts, which kind of defeats the reason for stop/start in the first place.

If you are using start/stop you don’t shift into neutral, by shifting into neutral you are defeating the start/stop system. So either let the start/stop system do it’s job or switch it off and drive accordingly. You can’t choose to use a little bit of the start/stop system - it’s all or nothing!!

@Dale_Stevens

The choice is what and when you do that then, as in do you want to sit with rear brake lights on or not.

Many could not care less about doing that.

 

If others doing it does not bother you then maybe you just do that at extended stops.

1 hour ago, Expatman said:

If you are using start/stop you don’t shift into neutral, by shifting into neutral you are defeating the start/stop system.

 

I've been told that this isn't the case with the Stop-Start system in some other makes/models of car i.e. you can put the selector in N, put the handbrake on and take your foot off the brake without the engine restarting.  In fact I had quite an argument with someone on another forum about it: they wouldn't believe that all Stop-Start systems didn't behave that way.

 

I do see it as a shortcoming in the way Stop-Start is implemented on the Yeti since, as e-Roottoot says, it means that the only way to avoid unnecessarily dazzling the driver behind you in a stationary queue of traffic is to put the selector in P.  Since the car complains when you drive off with the handbrake still on, it obviously does know when the handbrake is on.  It seems rather penny-pinching (or just short-sighted) not to use that in the logic of the Stop-Start system.

2 hours ago, Expatman said:

If you are using start/stop you don’t shift into neutral, by shifting into neutral you are defeating the start/stop system. So either let the start/stop system do it’s job or switch it off and drive accordingly. You can’t choose to use a little bit of the start/stop system - it’s all or nothing!!

 

But that requires you to keep your foot on the foot brake, which I don't want to do. I'd rather shove it into N with the handbrake on, but annoyingly this causes the engine to restart as soon as you lift your foot off the brake pedal. That suggests that Skoda want you to put it into P instead, but then you working your way through N & R to get to P, and then back again when you set off. As well as flashing your reverse light, it seems excessive wear on the gearbox.

Edited 5 November, 20205 yr by Dale_Stevens

47 minutes ago, ejstubbs said:

 

I've been told that this isn't the case with the Stop-Start system in some other makes/models of car 

 

Our Tiguan had auto hold, so we could come to a stop and leave it in D, and the engine would stop and the brakes would apply. We could then pull away again with the auto hold self releasing. Much better system than the Yeti, but the it had a different gearbox.

@Dale_Stevens

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Did your Tiguan have the brake lights on when 'Autohold' was functioning or not?

 

Some do and some do not and some drivers have no idea what theirs does.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432645-vw-group-vehicles-auto-hold-do-the-rear-brake-lights-come-on

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/433302-auto-hold-brake-lights

 

3 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

@Dale_Stevens

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Did your Tiguan have the brake lights on when 'Autohold' was functioning or not?

 

Some do and some do not and some drivers have no idea what theirs does.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432645-vw-group-vehicles-auto-hold-do-the-rear-brake-lights-come-on

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/433302-auto-hold-brake-lights

 

 

I'm in the third group, I didn't have a clue , and the Yeti has now replaced it so I'll never know.

Edited 5 November, 20205 yr by Dale_Stevens

That is the issue really, same with Auto Lights and drivers not knowing if they have rear lights on.

 

The DSG you had in the Tiguan made no difference as any DSG might be in a car with Autohold & an e-Brake.

Skoda now have the Scala & Kamiq produced with Hand / Parking Brakes.

Back to the future.

Once the DSG's only come in 1.0 & 1.5 TSI's with Mild Hybrids there will be fitted with e-Brakes and Autohold.

2 hours ago, Dale_Stevens said:

 

But that requires you to keep your foot on the foot brake, which I don't want to do. I'd rather shove it into N with the handbrake on, but annoyingly this causes the engine to restart as soon as you lift your foot off the brake pedal. That suggests that Skoda want you to put it into P instead, but then you working your way through N & R to get to P, and then back again when you set off. As well as flashing your reverse light, it seems excessive wear on the gearbox.

But that’s the way it is! The Yeti is a 10 year old design and was discontinued 3 years ago in 2017. I am sure more modern designed cars built now have the facility you want - but the Yeti doesn’t. Perhaps you need a newer car to fulfil your requirements?

3 hours ago, ejstubbs said:

 

I've been told that this isn't the case with the Stop-Start system in some other makes/models of car i.e. you can put the selector in N, put the handbrake on and take your foot off the brake without the engine restarting.  In fact I had quite an argument with someone on another forum about it: they wouldn't believe that all Stop-Start systems didn't behave that way.

 

I do see it as a shortcoming in the way Stop-Start is implemented on the Yeti since, as e-Roottoot says, it means that the only way to avoid unnecessarily dazzling the driver behind you in a stationary queue of traffic is to put the selector in P.  Since the car complains when you drive off with the handbrake still on, it obviously does know when the handbrake is on.  It seems rather penny-pinching (or just short-sighted) not to use that in the logic of the Stop-Start system.

As I said to Dale_Stevens:  "But that’s the way it is! The Yeti is a 10 year old design and was discontinued 3 years ago in 2017. I am sure more modern designed cars built now have the facility you want - but the Yeti doesn’t. Perhaps you need a newer car to fulfil your requirements?"

24 minutes ago, Expatman said:

But that’s the way it is! The Yeti is a 10 year old design and was discontinued 3 years ago in 2017. I am sure more modern designed cars built now have the facility you want - but the Yeti doesn’t. Perhaps you need a newer car to fulfil your requirements?

 

No, Im happy with my Yeti. I've never owned an automatic car before, the Tiguan we had was the wifes company car and I didn't give much thought to how I drove it or how it worked. But the Yeti is mine, so now I'm interested in how it works as I will have to pay for any unnecessary repairs. Thats all.

On 05/11/2020 at 19:44, Dale_Stevens said:

you working your way through N & R to get to P, and then back again when you set off. As well as flashing your reverse light, it seems excessive wear on the gearbox.

 

If you're stationary with your foot on the brake and the engine is stopped then I don't think moving the selector from D to P will do much if anything to the actual gearbox.  I'm willing to be corrected but I'd be pretty sure that all that would be happening is that the computer would get a rapid series of different instructions about what it should make the gearbox do when the engine restarts, each one of which will override the previous one, so the only wear it might cause would be to the selector.

 

Prepares to be shot down in flames...

Edited 6 November, 20205 yr by ejstubbs

It's not down to the Yeti's age that it doesn't have Auto Hold and EPB.

 

The platform and systems the Yeti uses have had Auto Hold and EPB fitted on certain models since 2005.

 

It was more Skoda marketing thinking what do we need to offer at this price point. The technology was readily available in the VAG group.

 

It's the same as the Mk3 MQB Octavia getting a manual handbrake and no auto hold while other MQB cars like the Golf getting Autohold and EPB. 

 

With more current cars a certain level of equipment is required which is why the Karoq, Kodiaq and even the latest Octavia get EPB.

3 hours ago, ejstubbs said:

 

If you're stationary with your foot on the brake and the engine is stopped then I don't think moving the selector from D to P will do much if anything to the actual gearbox.  I'm willing to be corrected but I'd be pretty sure that all that would be happening is that the computer wold get a rapid series of different instructions about what it should make the gearbox do when the engine restarts, each one of which will override the previous one, so the only wear it might cause would be to the selector.

 

Prepares to be shot down in flames...

 

Indeed the selector is nearly all microswitches with inputs into the ECU.

 

Some will say you have increased wear on the selector, possibly the parking pawl and maybe even the mechatronics compared to just leaving it in D and using the foot brake.

 

Modern systems are designed around stop/start and systems like auto hold.  For normal driving it's expected the car will sit in D while stationary and in the Yeti's case the owner will sit with the foot on the brake and for cars with Auto Hold the cars systems will artificially have the foot on the brake pedal. 

That's were we are and why many newer cars have brake lights stuck on when at junctions or traffic lights.

 

Upsets some but that's the way the technology has gone.

Edited 6 November, 20205 yr by logiclee

42 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

Indeed the selector is nearly all microswitches with inputs into the ECU.

 

Some will say you have increased wear on the selector, possibly the parking pawl and maybe even the mechatronics compared to just leaving it in D and using the foot brake.

 

Modern systems are designed around stop/start and systems like auto hold.  For normal driving it's expected the car will sit in D while stationary and in the Yeti's case the owner will sit with the foot on the brake and for cars with Auto Hold the cars systems will artificially have the foot on the brake pedal. 

That's were we are and why many newer cars have brake lights stuck on when at junctions or traffic lights.

 

Upsets some but that's the way the technology has gone.

 

Can I ask which method you prefer to use please Lee, if your at a red light thats going to be red for a while. Do you prefer to sit with foot on the brake, or apply handbrake and select N or P?

14 minutes ago, Dale_Stevens said:

 

Can I ask which method you prefer to use please Lee, if your at a red light thats going to be red for a while. Do you prefer to sit with foot on the brake, or apply handbrake and select N or P?

 

It really depends.

 

I like the engine warmed up so knock stop/start off if I'm on shorter journeys. If so I'll use hand brake and drop into N.

 

When fully warmed up and using stop start I'll mainly use D and footbrake but if I know I'm going to be stationary for a while I'll go to P and handbrake.

 

So the answer is a complete mixture depending on circumstances. 

 

My commute is mainly motorway and A roads with a few traffic lights. So it doesn't leave D from leaving home to stopping at work.

 

I also do not use stop start when towing. (It's disabled anyway on most cars if coded correctly)

 

Edited 6 November, 20205 yr by logiclee

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

It really depends....

 

When fully warmed up and using stop start I'll mainly use D and footbrake but if I know I'm going to be stationary for a while I'll go to P and handbrake.

 

So the answer is a complete mixture depending on circumstances....

 

I also do not use stop start when towing. (It's disabled anyway on most cars if coded correctly)

 

 

Yes I guess that makes sense, a mixture of each method. Nothing more annoying than doing the 'handbrake & N/P' method, only to then have to go straight back to D if you suddenly have the chance to move off.