Hi I have owned this skoda from nearly new was 5 months old when I got it. The car has done 58k miles and gearbox was serviced skoda durham at around the 40k mile mark. 

Has been serviced from skoda only the last service was done by an indy. 

Fault started when decelerating it would go to idle smoothly either at the 2k or 1.5k point it would bounce up 3 times then continue to fall. 

Other day fault codes come up and now makes rather large bang when decelerating so have booked it in with gearbox specialist. 

Come back with clutch and flywheel need changing with speed sensor 2.1k and worse case need the mechatronics changing it will be 4.1k. 

Welcome to the forum.

Very unfortunate.    

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/487699-dsg-failed-at-30k

 

 

Thanks mate appreciate it. Yeah I seen that thread not good at all

Like most things nothing is guaranteed with cars. Usually DSG are reliable but some can fault. The same with manual gearboxes they can fault too. Hopefully it will be the lesser cost of the two for you.

I would ask for a breakdown of costs to make sure you arent being overcharged. I would also ring round some VAG independent garages as they may do the work for less.

Thanks ecomatt for the reply 

Love the car, hence why I'm getting repaired but thought it was excessive could go Every 50k miles.  

Have been trying to do research not sure if having lots of drivers confuses the gearbox might be worth getting mapped. 

 

The gearbox will react to your throttle input and change gear accordingly. It doesnt adapt to different drivers only the throttle input. It worth getting it reset so it can relearn positions and clamping pressures. I do mine once every 6 months as I have obdeleven.

I wouldnt bother with a different dsg map as the standard map is pretty good.

Over time the gearbox will adapt to differing driving styles. 

 

I've dealt with complaints in the past where a husband and wife will have "his and hers" cars. One ends up using the other's car to pop down the shops, notices how differently it drives and assumes it's got a fault with it. 

 

Next thing it's in the dealership.

 

Tests show up nothing, you explain why it's doing what it's doing, they laugh at you, complain to skoda, skoda confirm what you've said is correct, they then leave with a little bit more knowledge about their car and hopefully a little bit more respect for the "yard-apes" in charge of repairing them.

2 hours ago, Ecomatt said:

The gearbox will react to your throttle input and change gear accordingly. It doesnt adapt to different drivers only the throttle input. It worth getting it reset so it can relearn positions and clamping pressures. I do mine once every 6 months as I have obdeleven.

I wouldnt bother with a different dsg map as the standard map is pretty good.

The reset is a good idea. Keeps things nice and crisp.

Might be worthwhile getting one.

On 10/12/2020 at 09:29, James@Pentagon_Seat said:

Over time the gearbox will adapt to differing driving styles. 

 

No offence but where does it say it has a 'historic' memory of driving styles? I only read it adapts to your driving style (on the fly) with how aggressive (or not) you are with the throttle. Mine does that all the time, shift points change with how hard I mash the throttle.

 

Works very well.

 

my dsg6 gets driven quite gently for months and then balls-out for periods when required. In 5 years I have not known it react in the slightest bit differently to how I use my right foot depending on what it has done in the weeks or months previously.

 

I can understand the gearbox can need a reset to compensate for use and wear made worse by some driving styles

22 minutes ago, flybynite said:

 

No offence but where does it say it has a 'historic' memory of driving styles? 

 

It will adapt to your driving style (singular, not plural) over a period of time. It will drive with you in mind in the control logic. Should someone else jump in then it will begin to adapt to how they drive.

 

The topic was in the self study learning documentation for DSG transmissions, it formed part of the master technician training program that I attended some years back and is regularly quoted by the technical team in MK when folk are suffering with driveability issues especially in an instance like I quoted above where two identical vehicles are compared because they appear to drive differently.

 

I drive mine to death, the gears hold in corners and it will rev right up until it changes even in D rather than S. The throttle is also very responsive.

 

I drive my Parents Kodiaq and it will shift up the box as fast as possible, it feels sluggish in comparison. Same engine, same gearbox and both AWD but I drive like a nob and my dad drives like a pensioner.

 

I'm quoting what I've come across over the years and what's been said by those who know more than I do. If it sounds difficult to believe then feel free to ignore it 🤷🏼‍♂️

58k is very low for a failure.

 

It does seem odd.

 

Unfortunately the 6 speed DSG still uses a DMF like you get on a manual gearbox.

 

Depending on driving style and journey types these can fail prematurely.

 

It's also very unusual for the clutches to fail so early. These often outlast the vehicle in the 6 speed since they are lubricated by the gearbox oil.

 

Hopefully they can tell what the fault is before just blindly replacing the flywheel and clutches.

Sorry to hear about your issues with your DSG Box dude.

 

Can I ask is the only way to reset a DSG gearbox is via OBDEleven or VagCom or something?

On 12/12/2020 at 07:22, Phil-E said:

58k is very low for a failure.

 

It does seem odd.

 

Unfortunately the 6 speed DSG still uses a DMF like you get on a manual gearbox.

 

Depending on driving style and journey types these can fail prematurely.

 

It's also very unusual for the clutches to fail so early. These often outlast the vehicle in the 6 speed since they are lubricated by the gearbox oil.

 

Hopefully they can tell what the fault is before just blindly replacing the flywheel and clutches.

Yeah agree with that statement it is early. 

Meant to be specialist but I didn't appreciate them saying that dsg flywheel needs replacing every 50k miles if that's the case what's the point of servicing it at the 40k mark.

In 20 years of working for VWG I can count on 1 hand the amount of DSG flywheels I've replaced. The same goes for DSG clutch packs.

Nah that's rubbish. My previous Octavia with 6 speed DSG had nearly 80k miles when I sold it and not even a hint of flywheel rattle. And the car did 20k miles in its first 4 years of ownership with the previous owner doing short trips.

 

Most failures I've seen occur at 100k+.

Thanks for that update on the post 

So after doing this they are saying that the mechatronics ecu is gone so will now take the bill up to £5200 . 

Are you able to get a reconditioned mechatronics or any other options available? Would appreciate any advice anyone can give the guys took into were highly recommended. 

 

The problem I have is do I want to put 5k into the car 

That sounds like a lot !

There are places that repair them, such as these ;

http://www.blueengines.co.uk/mechatronics.html

 

https://www.gearboxnottingham.co.uk/dsg-mechatronic-units

 

I have used a breakers called Synetiq before, they have a complete gearbox for £960, obviously that might not be the correct one but it gives an idea of prices.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GEARBOX-Skoda-Octavia-2013-2017-2-0-Diesel-QMM-6-Speed-DSG-WARRANTY-7341417/143090590546?hash=item2150dd2352:g:g9EAAOSwEcdcPJLM

 

Sounds like you’ve got service history, might even be worth taking it to a Skoda dealer and seeing if there’s any goodwill to be had. 

Edited 23 December, 20205 yr by classic

It sounds like the old "parts darts" have been thrown a few times...

 

A new box from Skoda isn't much more than that.

There are others on this site that have had substantial contributions offered under goodwill for the repair of DSG gearboxes recently. You'll have to take it to the dealer for that sort of repair though.

Yeah thanks for that I'll see if they will take it there see yeah its been serviced through them just the last service which was done by independent

 

Thank you classic 

Is the car less than 6 years old?

So the 40,000 mile DSG service was done as per the Manufacturers guidelines.

 

Was that a Major service also carried out then?

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Has the car been at a Skoda Dealership since then for a Service, *When was that DSG Service & do you have the Invoice / receipt ?*

and what miles / age was the Service done at an Independent?

 

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Was that 40,000 mile DSG Service the only time that the DSG has been touched by anyone other than you driving the car?

Yes the car is less than 6 years old

 

Yeah the dsg box was serviced by skoda. 

 

All service history is skoda till the last one which is independent. 

 

Yes only time the dsg box has been touched.

 

 

 

 

Probably a bit off topic but I think I'm getting it straight in my head at least

 

On 11/12/2020 at 22:50, James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale said:

The topic was in the self study learning documentation for DSG transmissions,

 

I have most of those, the only thing I can see is the section on "Basic Setting" Is there another section elsewhere about it?

 

"After a basic setting, a K0 adaption is performed approximately once per minute in “Hybrid” operating mode until
the K0 bite point has been successfully adapted fifteen times. The adaption interval is then extended to eight
minutes."

 

I can see that being aggressive with the car could possibly skew the K0 adaption of the gearbox to achieve the target K1 and K2 bite points causing it to behave differently. It would seem to adapt only one way (like a conventional clutch adjuster) and not be able to adapt back 8 minutes later.

 

I can then see how a "Basic Setting" would change the behaviour back to standard.

 

"The driving characteristics may be affected after the basic setting procedure."
 

But this is not the fully intentional way the gearbox logic "adapts to your driving style" using the aggressiveness of throttle usage to change the shift points in an instantaneous basis.

 

I think some people are adding 2+2 and getting 5 with a small dose of urban myth added for effect

 

On 11/12/2020 at 22:50, James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale said:

I'm quoting what I've come across over the years and what's been said by those who know more than I do. If it sounds difficult to believe then feel free to ignore it 🤷🏼‍♂️

I don't necessarily disbelieve it, just that if it is true then it will be written down somewhere. As it is the gearbox I drive daily and work on  Ignoring it is not really an option 

A totally different car and a totally different DSG being about a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch in a Mk2 Fabia, but this applies with all DQ200's 2009-2020.

'Dynamic Shift Programme',  Short term memory.

 

But lend your car to someone, try a demonstrator etc, hire car, and it might feel one way or another, and then knows what it has to do once you give at a bit of spirited driving.

Edited 26 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot