Hi I am new to the forum but have used the info gathered here many times, thanks to all for that!

 

I have just purchased a Skoda scout 2009 TDI 2litre.

It test drived well and seemed a lovely motor.

However I drove it home and after getting past 60mph I noticed a shuddering noise from the rear of the vehicle, this persisted whever I accelerated the vehicle and soon I pulled over to find the rear right wheel smoking!

I then thought it was a binding brake. I let it cool and then tested the wheel, and the brake wasn't binding, I was able to push the car easily!

I drove it home for an hour being very cautious on the brakes but the noise persisted whever I accelerated hard. Seemin not to be affected when braking.

Is this an issue with 4x4 system? The haldrex?

I have just had a Skoda Octavia 1.9 TDI and this is a whole new car.

I am.wondeirbg whether to return it to the private seller. Any ideas?

Many thanks 

Could be a knackered rear wheel bearing that needs replacing and is not being lubricated anymore and overheating. Common issue on most Octavia's as they age.

Is there a groaning, droning or rumbling noise from the rear of the car, especially at higher speed?

Ok, I'll test the bearing next couple of days. I can also take it to a Skoda dealer and ask their opinion? It's a purchase on eBay and I think I am owed some recompense. I would have thought a bearing noise would be consistent, this only happens on acceleration, then goes away.

1 minute ago, StickyMicky said:

Is there a groaning, droning or rumbling noise from the rear of the car, especially at higher speed?

Yes a rumbling 

6 minutes ago, tom2021 said:

Ok, I'll test the bearing next couple of days. I can also take it to a Skoda dealer and ask their opinion? It's a purchase on eBay and I think I am owed some recompense. I would have thought a bearing noise would be consistent, this only happens on acceleration, then goes away.

Yes a rumbling 

Like when you go over a tumble strip, but only on accelerating the car at higher speed, or at least that's when most noticeable. 

3 minutes ago, tom2021 said:

Yes a rumbling 

 

Almost certainly a rear wheel bearing.  If it's smoking then it's not far off failing altogether - messy if under way, especially at speed!

 

Cure involves replacing the rear hub - not a DIY job I'd recommend unless you have good workshop facilities including heat and a press.  I had one of mine done a couple of months back for £210.

 

As regards the ebay deal it's definitely a fault and unless the seller has sold the car 'as seen' you have a good case for either a refund or some money back for the repair.  If you're looking to recover your costs as well you'll probably have to go legal; fleabay are quite good at refunds but won't consider costs as well.

 

Have done the bearings on my old Skoda. Not sure if anything is different with this model and the 4x4 system.

Any ideas?

So I could do it. However in order to get some money back from the seller or may be best to do it all on the books by a professional. 

 

I don't have my Haynes here so can't comment on the similarities; mine was done by a local National tyres depot and it took them four hours and some help from an oxy-acetylene torch to free off all the rusted down fixings.

 

If you're looking to get some money back you're best getting a professional quote to do the job; a Skoda dealer would be most credible (and the most expensive!).  If you're going that route I'd inform the seller as soon as possible, letting them (and fleabay) know you're not happy - "item not as described" - and intending to seek a professional opinion on the problem.

I've had a root through the parts diagrams (these for a 2007 pre-FL Octy 2, but other years are available on the same site) and these may help to explain what's where:

 

rear wheel hub/bearing

 

rear axle (all parts)

 

Do be careful about the dates and relevant PR codes of you're looking for parts numbers.

Well I await a return text from the seller. If no reply then it's off to eBay. Desperately need the car, I dread swallowing the cost of this ontop of having to buy a new car! My old Skoda died a few days ago.

I'll get down the garage on 2nd Jan once I know whether it's being paid for or returned.

I disagree with the consensus that you have any recourse against the seller of an 11 year old vehicle on e-bay especially if it was an auction listing unless they were a motor trader.

 

Did you inspect the vehicle before buying/bidding?

 

Editted, I read the first posting again (I have no short term memory), private purchase of a second hand car, test driven & satisfied, I am guessing you agreed on less than the asking price...........

 

Unless the seller is exceptionally sympathetic and has other buyers eager to pay more than you did I dont think you should have an expectation of returning the vehicle.

 

Worth a look to see the selling history of the "private seller" you may find lots of other vehicles sold which would strengthen your rights and give you leverage.

 

I bought what was supposed to be a 2.0 TDI 140hp 6 speed Octavia on Ebay and the listing said "ice cool aircon" it turned out to be a 1.9 105hp 5 speed with a depressurised non functioning aircon.

 

I did not even think of going back to the seller, I had perused the V5 but not carefully enough, I should have seen the 5 speed gearknob, I think the retired couple genuinely thought it was a 2 litre as their garage bills all said that, re the aircon I think the husband was lying on that one.

 

To me it was the not unexpected risk of buying second hand.

Edited 31 December, 20205 yr by J.R.

Hi yes I did indeed inspect it thoroughly and test drove but only around a 30mph area, with no noticeable issues.

It was not an auction.

However of course I have bought it and that may be the end of it.

It feels as though it would have been impossible for him not to have known of this issue, the noise at least! And the smoke...

It sounds like you are correct but it could have been noisy and the seller may have been aware of it but smoking?

 

Only you can speculate having met the seller whether they would sell something knowing it to be dangerous, it could simply be that the grumbling bearing broke up during your journey.

 

I have suspected a front wheel bearing for 10K miles now, it was no more than a slight rumble on uneven road surfaces, could have been tyre noise or suspension bushes, I did 2000 kms in the last 2 weeks with 2 x 750k autoroute journeys, it seems louder & more regular now but I'm still not convinced, there is no play or vibration when I spin up the wheel which is difficult with a driven wheel anyway, it could go on for years and it could fail big time tomorrow, or it might just be the winter tyres.

 

Because of the confinement I had not driven on an autoroute since bringing the vehicle over in August, I could have sold the vehicle and the same thing could have happened to the buyer.

 

I dont know the mileage of your vehicle but at 11 years old any one of the wheel bearings could fail at any time, usually there would be some warning.

I think your right, eBay will have no interest, essentially I am appealing to the sellers good will. He may be completely ignorant to mechanics of car and just sold it like it is without knowing. I can only ask him to help with the cost. I did pay £200 less than asking price. It was £2800 all in for 100,000 on the clock, 2008 Skoda scout 2litre TDI, 6 speed. It was accurate description from him except the bits saying

"Smooth, quiet ride"

"Drives like a dime!"

3 minutes ago, J.R. said:

It sounds like you are correct but it could have been noisy and the seller may have been aware of it but smoking?

 

Only you can speculate having met the seller whether they would sell something knowing it to be dangerous, it could simply be that the grumbling bearing broke up during your journey.

 

I have suspected a front wheel bearing for 10K miles now, it was no more than a slight rumble on uneven road surfaces, could have been tyre noise or suspension bushes, I did 2000 kms in the last 2 weeks with 2 x 750k autoroute journeys, it seems louder & more regular now but I'm still not convinced, there is no play or vibration when I spin up the wheel which is difficult with a driven wheel anyway, it could go on for years and it could fail big time tomorrow, or it might just be the winter tyres.

 

Because of the confinement I had not driven on an autoroute since bringing the vehicle over in August, I could have sold the vehicle and the same thing could have happened to the buyer.

 

I dont know the mileage of your vehicle but at 11 years old any one of the wheel bearings could fail at any time, usually there would be some warning.

I had only driven for 10 mins

17 minutes ago, tom2021 said:

£2800 all in for 100,000 on the clock, 2008 Skoda scout 2litre TDI, 6 speed.

Just a note of caution; there's no "sold" listing for such a vehicle showing up on fleabay ...

 

So...

After getting my act together and cracking on, I removed the rear brakes, evidence of binding (with the smoke), seems like the simple thing to start with. Indeed it was binding a little, perhaps due to the very tight handbrake, one click!

So now the wheels are moving free and no smoke! So far.

The rumbling after a bit of driving with myself and father in law listening seems to be coming from the underside of the car perhaps towards the front middle. So not a wheel bearing, as the wheel itself is sturdy, thankfully. The noise is a rumbling vibration, I can feel it throigh the drivers seat, like a loose component or is there a prop shaft? A bearing on that? I am not familiar with this model.

So some relief my end but haven't solved the noise but it seems alot better without the smoke!

Anyone got any idea about the rumbling re the prop shaft?

 

Just now, tom2021 said:

So...

After getting my act together and cracking on, I removed the rear brakes, evidence of binding (with the smoke), seems like the simple thing to start with. Indeed it was binding a little, perhaps due to the very tight handbrake, one click!

So now the wheels are moving free and no smoke! So far.

The rumbling after a bit of driving with myself and father in law listening seems to be coming from the underside of the car perhaps towards the front middle. So not a wheel bearing, as the wheel itself is sturdy, thankfully. The noise is a rumbling vibration, I can feel it throigh the drivers seat, like a loose component or is there a prop shaft? A bearing on that? I am not familiar with this model.

So some relief my end but haven't solved the noise but it seems alot better without the smoke!

Anyone got any idea about the rumbling re the prop shaft?

 

Oh and the running occurs at 2400 revs, not before or after 2500 in the higher gears it's more noticeable

Expect the smoked brake pads to fall apart sometime soon, the adhesive can be overheated and water can get between the backing plate and friction material and rust-jack the friction material off.

It could be the outer metal annular ring on the propshaft vibration coupling has become unbonded.

 

what did you do to resolve the brake dragging? - Check that the compensator was level and one cable not adjusted right up, you probably have an ongoing self adjuster problem, either dragging or long travel.

So we dismantled the brakes, check the pads, checked the travel of the handbrake. Cleaned it all up, applied a little lube in the sensible places, made sure the caliper was moving freely, sliders and piston. All good. Handbrake over tightened so loosed the but off a couple of turns, really made a big difference. I think this car had been dat for awhile with the brake applied. I feel quite happy tinkering with the brakes and will keep an eye on them.

This propshaft coupling, how is that to fix?

Anyway to check it?

You sound like you will notice straight away if one brake drags or the handbrake travel increases, hopefully you will have done what is necessary. If you have further suspicions then actuate the handbrake lever arms on the calipers manually, they should both have the same travel and return to the same stop position, it gives an unmistakable indication of when the self adjusting is not working as it should, far more definitive than the quadrant angle, cable slack etc.

 

The smoking happening so soon and without the wheel falling off always sounded like a stuck caliper to me.

21 hours ago, J.R. said:

I disagree with the consensus that you have any recourse against the seller of a vehicle on e-bay especially if it was an auction unless they were a motor trader.

 

Did you inspect the vehicle before buying/bidding?

Yes brake binding is a relief, I've had plenty of that before.

Now to this prop shaft

20 hours ago, StickyMicky said:

21 hours ago, tom2021 said:

 

Just a note of caution; there's no "sold" listing for such a vehicle showing up on fleabay

Yes I believe the seller marked the item as "unsold", won't answer his phone. Oh well, my problem now. eBay can go either way, I've been a little stung by this.

I've found some useful links to this issue on this site. Some suggest oil and filter change could sorry it... Could it??

Other than that I where can I get the parts and what's the job like to do?