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Yes, but you just couldn't resist bringing up smaller wheels, at the slightest opportunity.

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  • The Fabia has come with 239mm, 256mm, or 288mm diameter front brake discs over the years.   If you go out on a fast A road with lots of bends on a hot summer's day (perhaps a heat-wave) with

  • What OEM numbers do your front brake calipers have (with 288mm front brake discs)? Are you on the LUCAS system or the TEVES system?   If you are on the LUCAS system, you will need new calipe

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21 minutes ago, Wino said:

Yes, but you just couldn't resist bringing up smaller wheels, at the slightest opportunity.

 

2010 was the last year Skoda had 239mm front brakes.

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/FAB/year/2010/drive_standart/608/hg_ug/615/subcategory/615025/part_id/2550123/lang/e

 

In 2011, the smallest front brakes were 256mm.

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/FAB/year/2011/drive_standart/697/hg_ug/615/subcategory/615025/part_id/2550123/lang/e

 

In 2011, Skoda also took the opportunity to change from TRW 288mm front brakes to ATE 288mm front brakes.

 

As far as front brakes were concerned, 2011 was a big year.

 

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5 minutes ago, Carlston said:

2010 was the last year Skoda had 239mm front brakes.

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/FAB/year/2010/drive_standart/608/hg_ug/615/subcategory/615025/part_id/2550123/lang/e

 

In 2011, the smallest front brakes were 256mm.

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/FAB/year/2011/drive_standart/697/hg_ug/615/subcategory/615025/part_id/2550123/lang/e

 

In 2011, Skoda also took the opportunity to change from TRW 288mm front brakes to ATE 288mm front brakes.

 

As far as front brakes were concerned, 2011 was a big year

 

Is there any relation between the LUCAS / TEVES systems and the TRW / ATE that you are aware of? 

 

I assume the older models or smaller power engines with smaller brakes use the TRW and therefore the LUCAS.

 

Then newer models or higher power engines use the ATE and therefore TEVES. 

 

I am also looking to upgarde my fronts from 288 to 312 and based on info from this thread i am assuming i only need carriers and discs, i.e. same calipers and pads can be used as i have the newer ATE (2013 model) and it looks like my calipers are TEVES.

 

Thanks for info btw, very helpful. Please excuse the bodged and dirty caliper paint. 

 

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3 hours ago, Tom_Holland said:

Is there any relation between the LUCAS / TEVES systems and the TRW / ATE that you are aware of? 

I assume the older models or smaller power engines with smaller brakes use the TRW and therefore the LUCAS.

Then newer models or higher power engines use the ATE and therefore TEVES. 

I am also looking to upgarde my fronts from 288 to 312 and based on info from this thread i am assuming i only need carriers and discs, i.e. same calipers and pads can be used as i have the newer ATE (2013 model) and it looks like my calipers are TEVES.

 

Bosch/Lucas/TRW appear to be the same.

 

Continental/Conti/TEVES/ATE appear to be the same.

 

The 2011-2016 Audi A1 appears to use ATE 256mm/288mm/310mm (not 312mm) front brakes, and TRW 230/272 rear brakes.

 

http://www.oemepc.com/audi/parts_lst/markt/RDW/modell/A1/year/2011/hg/6/catalog/au/drive_standart/708/lang/e

 

The Fabia 256mm front brakes are either ATE or TRW. ATE have been available for all years, whereas TRW were available from 2009-2015 alongside the ATE 256mm front brakes.

 

You can see the models and years of cars for various markets that were available with the TRW 256mm front brakes here:

 

http://www.oemepc.com/tvn_result/search/tvn/6RF615123

 

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  • 7 months later...

This is great info - thank you all. One question that’s not totally clear (and is specific to me)

 

I’ve got a 75hp 1.4 Tdi (AMF)

with 15” wheels.

 

Will 288mm discs fit these?

 

TIA,

Mike.

6 minutes ago, Wino said:

The wheels will probably fit over them, but you'd need to change the wheel bearing housings as well as all the brake bits, as yours will be the type with integrated carriers. The calipers for 288mm discs  would need the other type with bolt on carriers.

See items 7 and 7A here: wishbone; wheel bearing housing; anti-roll bar - Fabia(FAB) [EUROPA 2004 year] (7zap.com)

 

 

 

I’ve found out that the VRS can use 15” wheels, so I’m ok there.

 

Regarding the callipers / mounts etc this info is exactly what I need. Thank you.

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53 minutes ago, Captainbeaky0 said:

This is great info - thank you all. One question that’s not totally clear (and is specific to me)

 

I’ve got a 75hp 1.4 Tdi (AMF)

with 15” wheels.

 

Will 288mm discs fit these?

 

TIA,

Mike.

For future reference, it would be better to ask for such info in the Mk1 Fabia subforum, as your profile and engine code suggest that's what you have. 

Either in a relevant thread there, or by starting your own. 

Tagging onto this one risks confusion for future readers expecting mk2 Fabia info. 

1 hour ago, Wino said:

For future reference, it would be better to ask for such info in the Mk1 Fabia subforum, as your profile and engine code suggest that's what you have. 

Either in a relevant thread there, or by starting your own. 

Tagging onto this one risks confusion for future readers expecting mk2 Fabia info. 

I agree.

 

My specific question was about what wheels would fit over 288mm brakes, and this was the only thread I could find with info. 

I wanted to check before I fit 4 new tyres tomorrow( stick with the 195/50 r15’s (preferred) or go to the vrs 16” wheels). 

We got a bit carried away..

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