Red for the emergency fire and rescue staff that just need a car. Blue for police / CID etc that just need a car.  Green for On Call Doctors / NHS, district nurses etc.  White with some Stick on Signs if needs must.  Just as suitable as many of the Basic cars with Steel Wheels and hub caps removed that workers have had provided for decades.   Just a pity there is not a built in Britain equivalent but that might come yet.  

9 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

does seem to be the best option and if you want a different colour (say zingy orange or lime green or black) then £650 is a chunk towards a wrap (which will also protect the paint work)

27 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

anything other than the base polar white is a £650 option ;o) 

 

 

Stonewash Blue

 

 

Lightening Grey



Baby Poo Brown Safari Beige

 

 

Khaki

 

Not always just white with free colours. 

My Flame Red Scenic due in 3 weeks is a free colour from Dacia/Renault......

 

 

 

 

That orange colour with a Phone Number for their department on for Politicians, Councillors and others as their vehicles for the Local Authority business travel in towns and citites.

Only Battery Electric Vehicles for the official business journeys.

Max RRP £20,000.  

 

2 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not always just white with free colours. 

 

 

Make/Model/Trim specific.

I was referring specifically to the Dacia Spring Expression/Extreme

26 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

especially when you have the sort of excellent Active Cruise Control the Superb (and other Skodas) has

True, but the cars in question at the time were Rover 200, Ford Cortina, Vauxhall Cavalier and Vauxhall Vectra, before cruise control made it as far main stream cars. 

3 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Make/Model/Trim specific.
I was referring specifically to the Dacia Spring Expression/Extreme

 

Just saying that sometimes, and Renault own Dacia, car companies can move away from only providing white as a free. But then nothing is really free.

Doing RHD version of car compared to LHD was once quantified at around 6%, think of the tooling and different parts. I hate paying extra colours so never do.

White cars have less accidents.....

 

I had a canary yellow Octavia VRS, ex showroom car 

 

https://www.citywidelaw.com/los-angeles-car-accident-attorney/car-color-and-crash-risk/#:~:text=We've referenced the safest,white cars and its surroundings.

 

What Car Color has the Least Accidents?

Studies have revealed that the following color vehicles are associated with the lowest risk of an accident.

White

We’ve referenced the safest color car on the road. That color is white. White cars are 12 percent less likely to be involved in an accident than black cars at any time of the day under any conditions. This is because there is often a lot of contrast between white cars and its surroundings. As a result, white cars are easy to see.

Yellow

At least one study found that yellow, and not white, cars are the safest on the road. Why? Yellow is the brightest color and stands out in any conditions. There’s a reason that most cabs are painted yellow or another vibrant color. It makes those vehicles incredibly easy to spot on a busy road.

Orange

Orange is also correlated with a lower risk of accidents than other vehicles. The reason? Like white and yellow cars, orange is easy to see. Few surroundings on the road are orange, which helps these vehicles to stand out.

 

The percentage of Yellow & Orange not involved in accidents will obviously be taking into account how few there might actually be on the roads. 

9 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Just saying that sometimes, and Renault own Dacia, car companies can move away from only providing white as a free. But then nothing is really free.

Doing RHD version of car compared to LHD was once quantified at around 6%, think of the tooling and different parts. I hate paying extra colours so never do.

White cars have less accidents.....

 

I had a canary yellow Octavia VRS, ex showroom car 

 

https://www.citywidelaw.com/los-angeles-car-accident-attorney/car-color-and-crash-risk/#:~:text=We've referenced the safest,white cars and its surroundings.

 

What Car Color has the Least Accidents?

Studies have revealed that the following color vehicles are associated with the lowest risk of an accident.

White

We’ve referenced the safest color car on the road. That color is white. White cars are 12 percent less likely to be involved in an accident than black cars at any time of the day under any conditions. This is because there is often a lot of contrast between white cars and its surroundings. As a result, white cars are easy to see.

Yellow

At least one study found that yellow, and not white, cars are the safest on the road. Why? Yellow is the brightest color and stands out in any conditions. There’s a reason that most cabs are painted yellow or another vibrant color. It makes those vehicles incredibly easy to spot on a busy road.

Orange

Orange is also correlated with a lower risk of accidents than other vehicles. The reason? Like white and yellow cars, orange is easy to see. Few surroundings on the road are orange, which helps these vehicles to stand out.

 

My Old Honda Blackbird, Tango

I had a few orange vehicles but i think the only one i would want now is an Escort Mk1 Mexico.

 

(Automatics.)

Edited 6 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

One of the strong reasons for autos is the acceleration compared to manual.  Several factors ie gear change time, weight, number of gears to optimise acceleration but in the majority of comparisons I have seen the auto, or semi auto like DSG, EDC, eats the manual for breakfast.

 

 

 

Did you not see my earlier posts?

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not always just white with free colours. 

My Flame Red Scenic due in 3 weeks is a free colour from Dacia/Renault......

 

 

 

 

 

But not on the Spring which is the car we are talking about colours on...???

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

There are some lovely automatics about.

8 speed auto or manual change, 6 speed in sport and manual change. BMW etc.

 

Some lovely 2 pedal EV,s.  Paddles for Regen so just as with an auto and reducing speed and not braking but getting on in control.

As to one pedal driving, that does not mean just driving easy in town, but it can be, but it can be driving in a spirited manner. 

 

It is all about choices and not all EV,s are the same obviously but they are pretty much 2 pedal cars. 

Maybe not for New Drivers passing their driving test in them having a Restricted Automatic Only licence.   PS Edit.   Lots of dreamers around that think they are driving gods in the UK with a 60 mph NSL just because they need the left foot to use a clutch when changing gear. 

 

The nine speed Mercedes is about the best I have seen in a car, ZF box in my jap was nice and the 7 speed dry clutch DSG DQ200 although the lowish toque handling of 250 Nm was a bit limiting.  Not a great fan of the DQ250 six speed though it was better to have that than the 5 speed manual I could have had in one Octavia but it had the last of the good diesel engines ie the noisy but frugal 1.9PD.

 

It is all auto for me now as hybrids and BEVs are always automatic but this is the future.  EV, one gear, some EVs have two are gather but they are rare. Can crawl along in the single gear, maximum torque come in at 8 mph and it will spin up to over 90 mph, cover the standing kilometer in 30 seconds in serene silence.  7,8,9 speed gearboxes are just another chunk of tech, like the ICE motor, more to go wrong, wear out, cost a fortune to fix, turbos, mechatronic units of DSG, now unnecessary  tech IMO to be replaced ASAP.

 

55 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Did you not see my earlier posts?

 

Sorry, must have skipped or something.

 

Oh and Autos can be more economical too.  The 7 speed DSG in my beautiful Mk 2 Octavia, L&K, with the now unusual in the UK 1.8 TSI, short stroke version of the EA888, was a fantastic tool for both acceleration and economy, 57 mpg I think it was quoted at, 2 mpg better than the manual one could get. 

 

West Berkshire Council is "rolling out" Kerbo charging solution to residents without driveway.

(I guess it means they would auto approve applications)

 

https://forecourttrader.co.uk/latest-news/council-rolls-out-kerbo-charge-through-pavement-system/693816.article

 

There's government grant of £350 on the table, as well as 2p/mile motoring. The article wrongly put "7.5p/kWh r 7p/mile". 

31 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

West Berkshire Council is "rolling out" Kerbo charging solution to residents without driveway.

(I guess it means they would auto approve applications)

 

https://forecourttrader.co.uk/latest-news/council-rolls-out-kerbo-charge-through-pavement-system/693816.article

 

There's government grant of £350 on the table, as well as 2p/mile motoring. The article wrongly put "7.5p/kWh r 7p/mile". 

which is nice except:


a) you don't (generally) have a legal right to park on the road outside your house.
b) the road outside your house may have parking restrictions (eg yellow lines)
c) your house may not have direct road access within a reasonable distance of your property boundary (ie a pavements width)

an example of C is my GFs daughter house which is 38m from the road to the property boundary and they have to park anywhere between the 2 red lines(on a good day, could be further on a bad day)

& millions of homes in the UK are not at ground level.

Flats and apartments even just 1st floor or high-rise properties.

 

That how things are though is it not?     

Home charging of Electrified vehicles is not an option for many more than 'Official Statistics' appear to show but then local authorities do not seem to know how many people stay in their region so why should the Government or the Office for National Statistics.

Every time this kerb charging initiative is brought up, those very valid points are repeated. It has never been forgotten.

 

At the same time, it also means that there are millions of household that could charge their EV via home charging.

 

I'm just reporting a news I heard elsewhere. It is follow up from the government grant news a few months ago. I'm sure more councils will follow.

18 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

it also means that there are millions of household that could charge their EV via home charging.

But it also means that until a credible alternative is in place for those without a guaranteed home charging place a two-tier system  of "have access to home charging" and "don't have access to home charging" is being created.

 

Given the costs of public charging are currently much higher than home charging this will place yet another burden on hard stretched family finances of owning an EV, and hence will further limit the potential for EV sales and ownership.

 

This problem must be solved, not ignored!

When ZapMap spoke about 600,000 EV,s in the UK they said how many EV owners could charge at home.  Over 1 million now registered.

Then Fleet News had an article the Zenith did a Survey and 86% with an EV could charge at home.

*Never trust Surveys IMO.*

 

Well many many many EV,s have not an owner with a Home with space for the EV,s.

Many many Fleets are Councils, NHS etc.    So is it drivers of EV,s that are talking about. 

 

So the early adopters over the past 10 years of EV driving have a high number that supposedly have Off street parking. 

Is it yet again This Country, as in England, or this UK nations? 

 

The 1 million EV,s has to become 10 times that or more, maybe 20 times more. 

A google shows something like 30 million Dwellings in the UK.  

^^^^ Maybe read more and you will see the stuff that is repeated.  Maybe it is only those really interested in EV,s that see these stories.

 

 

Edited 7 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

News without credible proof is not valid, anyone can claim that they are repeating news that they heard or read elsewhere but it amounts to nothing without some supporting evidence from a credible source.

First search result. Straight from the council website:

The previous trial mentioned by the news article: https://www.westberks.gov.uk/article/42458/Kerbo-Charge-trial-across-West-Berkshire

The council page talking about how it all works and how to apply for the kerb side parking solution: https://www.westberks.gov.uk/article/42060/Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Guidance-for-Residents

 

How much more credible do you need?

 

I've certainly never posted a youtuber renting on and on but nothing credible can be found based on the rent 🤣 

45 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

First search result. Straight from the council website:

The previous trial mentioned by the news article: https://www.westberks.gov.uk/article/42458/Kerbo-Charge-trial-across-West-Berkshire

The council page talking about how it all works and how to apply for the kerb side parking solution: https://www.westberks.gov.uk/article/42060/Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Guidance-for-Residents

 

How much more credible do you need?

 

I've certainly never posted a youtuber renting on and on but nothing credible can be found based on the rent 🤣 

Not all councils approve of such schemes, and that Kerbo charge system appears to be good at first glance, look at it again and then think of all the conditions in which it could be an absolute nightmare to use, if not impossible to use and for some people it would be impossible.

Also what is that cable being used, is it a 240V cable or is a cable carrying battery voltage, ie, 400V plus? 

Edited 7 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

8 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Not all councils approve of such schemes, and that Kerbo charge system appears to be good at first glance, look at it again and then think of all the conditions in which it could be an absolute nightmare to use, if not impossible to use and for some people it would be impossible.

Also what is that cable being used, is it a 240V cable or is a cable carrying battery voltage, ie, 400V plus? 

So it is indeed credible news from credible source. What a very strange rant:

 

Again, your lack of EV experience shows here.

Source of electricity is from residential. So it is AC charging at 240v, usually 1 phase 32 amps, 7.4 kW.

Cable is typical EV cable used for AC destination charging.

51 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

So it is indeed credible news from credible source. What a very strange rant:

No, not a strange rant at all, merely recycling one of your own comments from months ago about posts without supporting evidence.

 

51 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Again, your lack of EV experience shows here.

Source of electricity is from residential. So it is AC charging at 240v, usually 1 phase 32 amps, 7.4 kW.

Cable is typical EV cable used for AC destination charging.

Not at all surprising this one, seeing as I don't actually have an EV currently, nor have I ever had one in the past. It was a genuine question, if it was a what people call a "granny cable" or was it coming from a dedicated wall mounted external box with a fixed lead, some of those boxes look big enough to have some form power convertor contained within them.

 

Either way, I can see potential electric shock hazards possibly ensuing from the use of damaged cables. 

 

Anyway, enough of the nit picking, the question/point I eluded to in the earlier post was, when watching the lady demonstrating how the Kerbo system, it looked as if the user has to get rather close and personal with it in order to place the cable within the channel. That would mean some people with limited mobility/flexibility i.e. the elderly, handicapped, or those with some disability to get down like she did in the video would be unable to use that system. Equally, what happens when there is snow on the ground or sharp hard frost preventing the system from operating correctly and also muck and bullets entering the duct and thus preventing the cable from sitting correctly within it and flush with the pavement.

 

It also says in the video soundtrack that it is designed for use with tarmacked pavements, most are not, so it is unable to flex with the movement of the pavement if say tree roots are causing it to be uneven? These are issues that do not affect those with the luxury of putting their cars on their driveway for charging, for example, so what is the solution in such circumstances then?

 

I do agree that it does offer some people a glimmer of hope, but is not suitable for everyone.

Edited 7 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher