I stand corrected, there are no British car manufacturers ;o)

10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm beginning to think that ZEV mandate needs to be dropped all together, like Harry said, but however, I would go a stage further and limit the size of future ICE engines to help make the emissions even lower and as Harry pointed out, they are getting really low already and remove politics from the equation apart from giving the engineers some money injections to help with their research into smaller, more efficient powerful and low emission engines and then leave it to market forces to decide the future. There are way too many obstacles to overcome in too short a time frame to make it that an all electric new car market even by 2035 let alone 2030, which we are going to be an outlier if the Government decide to push that button.

 

There is a place for electric cars in the world and if it suits you and you can actually make it work for you without a massive impact on your life, then go for them.

 

   

 

 

Smaller engines are oft worse at emissions as it is the high cylinder temperatures that create the nasty NOX.  Skoda moved from the 1.4TSI to the 1.TSI EVO, same power but better emissions. Allowed them to lower cylinder temperatures and they introduce cylinder deactivation of course.  Ford ECOBOOST engine not so good on emissions, maybe OK on CO2 but not so good on NOX.

 

Good petrol hybrids can provide low emissions and not always cost the earth like the Clio etech shows which if you do not want a little Yaris is widely regarded as the best cheapish, still £22K mind, full hybrid.  But this can improve year on year with bigger lithium battery, or LIFEPH as they constant improve on energy denisty whilst becoming much cheaper too.  

 

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Smaller engines are oft worse at emissions as it is the high cylinder temperatures that create the nasty NOX.  Skoda moved from the 1.4TSI to the 1.TSI EVO, same power but better emissions. Allowed them to lower cylinder temperatures and they introduce cylinder deactivation of course.  Ford ECOBOOST engine not so good on emissions, maybe OK on CO2 but not so good on NOX.

 

Good petrol hybrids can provide low emissions and not always cost the earth like the Clio etech shows which if you do not want a little Yaris is widely regarded as the best cheapish, still £22K mind, full hybrid.  But this can improve year on year with bigger lithium battery, or LIFEPH as they constant improve on energy denisty whilst becoming much cheaper too.  

 

you sure?

According to Parkers the 1.4TSI is/was 121 g/km
https://www.parkers.co.uk/skoda/superb/hatchback-2015/14-tsi-(150bhp)-se-5d-dsg/specs/


The 1.5TSi is 141 g/km
https://www.parkers.co.uk/skoda/superb/hatchback-2015/se-15-tsi-act-150ps-dsg-auto-(0919-)-5d/specs/

But,

2016 and the Euro 6 from late 2015 on there were Implausible Test Results on 1.4 TSI / TFSI VW, Audi & SEAT.

Skoda were not found to be at it in the same way.

 

You had the 1.4 TSI ACT that was a different kettle of fish.  Certification. 

 

The e- Golf 1.4 TSI & Audi A3 PHEV,s had suspect test results and were discontinued.

Then the only VW Group that kept the 1.4 TSI without electrification was the SEAT Alhambra as a run out model.

 

The Non ACT 1.4 TSI in other world regions get the 8 speed Auto and the WLTP does not matter there.  Part of the World, just not World Wide Harmonisation crap. 

 

 

Edited 12 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

you sure?

According to Parkers the 1.4TSI is/was 121 g/km
https://www.parkers.co.uk/skoda/superb/hatchback-2015/14-tsi-(150bhp)-se-5d-dsg/specs/


The 1.5TSi is 141 g/km
https://www.parkers.co.uk/skoda/superb/hatchback-2015/se-15-tsi-act-150ps-dsg-auto-(0919-)-5d/specs/

  

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

nasty NOX.

I think lol was referring to NOx. Which increases as combustion temperature increases. 

16 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

  

I think lol was referring to NOx. Which increases as combustion temperature increases. 

Im guessing the difference is marginal based on the rankings here being identical , both the 1.4 & 1.5 fall into the A category



https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/emissions-data/compare-list/15740,17623

5 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Smaller engines are oft worse at emissions as it is the high cylinder temperatures that create the nasty NOX.  Skoda moved from the 1.4TSI to the 1.TSI EVO, same power but better emissions. Allowed them to lower cylinder temperatures and they introduce cylinder deactivation of course.  Ford ECOBOOST engine not so good on emissions, maybe OK on CO2 but not so good on NOX.

 

Good petrol hybrids can provide low emissions and not always cost the earth like the Clio etech shows which if you do not want a little Yaris is widely regarded as the best cheapish, still £22K mind, full hybrid.  But this can improve year on year with bigger lithium battery, or LIFEPH as they constant improve on energy denisty whilst becoming much cheaper too.  

 

But those figures both for nox and CO2 are nothing compared to larger 3 litre and above engines in  large luxo barges, 4x4 and performance cars and those cars are increasing in numbers and the amount of fuel they consume can see mpg in single digits or at best around the sub 20mpg mark. 

Lest we forget.

 

VW Group struggled getting WLTP Certification and were late, they had to bunker cars and delay deliveries / imports.

 

They manipulated the 1.5 TSI ACT engine Management / Software and got the WLTP Certification and buyers got cars that drove like Sh!te in many cases, 

manuals and automatics. Some punted them back, some just sold them, people got loan cars and eventually VW admitted issues, did a recall, a DVLA / DVSA Safety Critical recall.

Some crap ones are still out there even after the Remaps. 

They never redid the WLTP though, they got away with 'the patch'. 

But the real point is that it is not smaller less powerful cars that most sensible people drive, but the big fast cars that will be on your bumper and then zoom past and you will often catch them up at the next roundabout etc. Clearly showing that all of their massive nox and CO2 figures achieved them zero advantage but air quality suffered for nothing and we all get to breathe the same air. 

Electrify America was setup by VAG as part of its appeasement process with the US Government following dieselgate but that's a specific VAG thing. Wonder why there was never an Electrify EU network? (or was/is there and I blinked??)

Anyways, generally speaking the EU is pushing for reductions in carbon emissions (which includes new  vehicles of all engine types) as compared to 2021 figures rather the UK Governments blinkered insistence on Zero Emissions at the tail pipe by <insert latest current date> for all new vehicles sold in the UK

The EU Governments & the UK let VW Group off lightly.  Tail wags the dog.

 

As far as Electrification,  1.4 TSI & now 1.5 TSI PHEV,s require for the warranty to be on Fixed Oil Change Intervals, and the 6 speed wet clutch DQ400-e DSG is on a 40,000 miles service interval. 

 

VW,s problem is more spin doctors than actual top engineers.

They are scared to work for VW because the board let minions take the blame. 

Edited 12 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

34 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Wonder why there was never an Electrify EU network? (or was/is there and I blinked??)

You are correct with regard to Electrify America. 

 

In Europe, incumbent manufacturers pooled together and part funded the Ionity network.

https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are 

 

Currently in UK, according to their network stats page, they have pitiful average of 7.4 chargers per location, just 33 locations. (32 in UK and 1 in Ireland) 

 

I think that's a poor effort considering it involves so many manufacturers. For comparison, Tesla supercharger in 2023 had average of 10 chargers per location, 110 locations. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/charging-network/tesla-supercharger/#:~:text=Back in 2020%2C Tesla installed,them – in over 110 locations.

 

 

Oh dear, looking as if net-zero might well be derailed, who couldn't see this one coming given how secretive China is and the USA and indeed the UK are about them.

 

Could this possibly be the reason why the world has gone EV crazy at any cost, could it be that China has been engaging with think tanks who write the government's policies around the world and possibly be the financial backer of such organizations such as WEF, IEA, C40 Cities etc??

 

 

Edited 12 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

wait until your car (ICE or EV or whatever) somes with something like Crowdstrike preinstalled ;o)

Seemingly there will be a ban on Computers / Laptops / Chrome Books, Mobile / Smart phones / watches / glasses, doorbell cameras, CCTV, Facial Recognition, A1 and anything with Semi Conductors / Micro chips.

Also ****s that make youtube videos are going to be banned and made to walk everyplace or ride pushbikes with fixed gears. 

We've spent a fortune over the last couple of years replacing Huawei network devices with Junipers as have Openreach and any one else running a telco network

That is OK then.

China does not still own or fund much of the UK,s business's, land, offshore oil and gas exploration and much else.

Edited 13 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The UK Government can just tell anyone with connections to the Chinese Government to take a hike and the UK is going to compulsory purchase all they have in the UK. 

They can tell Sir Jim Ratcliffe to sling his hook.  

 

 

Edited 13 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Maybe check out an article in the Dundee Courier and Advertiser.     Taxi drivers could not work at the weekend.   Charge Place Scotland issue and public chargers down at the weekend.     As many point out.   Plenty pay and go chargers in the city and working.   Too many Taxi drivers used to the years of getting free charging.    Crazy that rather than go charge their taxi at a commercial charger they would lose a weekends work.   Dundee probably the place you least need Charge Place Scotland to do what tax payers are paying millions to go and running. 

Edited 14 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

TBH Charge Place Scotland is poorly managed and no longer viable, its user experience actively hinders EV adoption. I certainly don't feel CPS user experience is fair representative of EV charging experience here down south.

 

It's about time CPS gets similar transformation as Charge Your Car (bought out by Chargemaster back in early days) and Ecotricity Electric Highway (bought by Gridserve around 2020 and made reliable)

 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/chargeplacescotland-rfid-outage-across-scotland-again.186490/?post_id=3648209#post-3648209

 

 

It was Evolt apparently and the Payments, but i think that is a nonsense, people say they called CPS and the charger was started remotely. 

SWARCO own E-Volt.

 

Charge Place Scotland had BP with the contract to run it and SWARCO did that for them.

Charge your Car was hopeless in Scotland.  I still have by CYC card from CPS. 

 

The Issue is Councils in Scotland and Maintenance and contracts with SWARCO, and SWARCO running CPS. 

Now the STRIPE payments.

My account is now near £200 with CPS and i have no idea when they will want paid.  & they have ignored my 3 requests to have 3 x £5 taken off my account.

 

 

The comment section to the article covers things quite well.  No idea really what the Taxi Driver or Association are om at.

 

Edited 14 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I enjoyed a few hours in a New Mini Cooper S 2.0 Petrol Auto and thought it nicer than a New platform Mini Cooper SE (electric) 

and the center controls never bothered me as i never used them and had no need to switch off the stupid sounds there are with the Electric one.

The ride in the petrol car was nicer and the auto with paddles.

..........................

I am now pretty sure i should be driving a PHEV and not an EV even if i could get 200 miles or 200+ range from a home charge.

Only the home charge makes for cheap driving. 

The public charging other Tesla non Tesla is just to hit or miss or expensive in Scotland.

 

Home area running in the MINI is getting me 21 miles for 6.5 kWh.  @ 22 pence a kWh 143 pence.  (Normal daily home tariff, not EV / Offpeak.)

That is a bit more than twice the miles that i would get from a liter of petrol at present prices.  143 pence. 

 

So if just public charging or once the home charged electricity is used the EV is equal to or more expensive to run. 

 

2024 Cooper S.

So Old Platform. Still wheel arches, sticky out handles but the new interior. Smother wings. No bonnet scoop. I like.

Built in the UK.

Accelerates and goes and without the wheelspin and torque steer that the New Electrics have on the totally inappropriate OME tyres.

 

Edited 14 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

13 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I enjoyed a few hours in a New Mini Cooper S 2.0 Petrol Auto and thought it nicer than a New platform Mini Cooper SE (electric) 

and the center controls never bothered me as i never used them and had no need to switch the stupid sounds with the Electric one.

The ride in the petrol car was nicer and the auto with paddles.

..........................

I am now pretty sure i should be driving a PHEV and not an EV even if i could get 200 miles or 200+ range from a home charge.

Only the home charge makes for cheap driving. 

The public charging other Tesla non Tesla is just to hit or miss or expensive in Scotland.

 

Home area running in the MINI is getting me 21 miles for 6.5 kWh.  @ 22 pence a kWh 143 pence.  (Normal daily home tariff, not EV / Offpeak.)

That is a bit more than twice the miles that i would get from a liter of petrol at present prices.  143 pence. 

 

So if just public charging or once the home charged electricity is used the EV is equal to or more expensive to run. 

 

2024 Cooper S.

So Old Platform. Still wheel arches, sticky out handles but the new interior. Built in the UK.

Accelerates and goes and without the wheelspin and torque steer that the New Electrics have on the totally inappropriate OME tyres.

 

So, sixty four thousand $ question, is anew PHEV destined for your next car? I must admit they do seem to make far better sense of things as you can switch to electric when in town/city traffic to help out with the perceived air quality and switch to petrol on the open road and also enjoy far more of that most valued commodity, time for yourself.  

Not that i know of. But a used one quite possibly.

I thought i would buy an old MINI electric when the Mobility car goes back. (Identical to i am driving, and instead of extending the lease and keeping the one i have)

Right now i could get one the same as i have for around £20,000.  £15,000 lower than the RRP 12 months ago)

In another 2 years it is anyones guess how cheap they will be for the car i have will be.

It goes to auction.

 

As it is who knows about in another couple of years but i am thinking maybe a used MINI Countryman PHEV.

Que Sera Sera. 

Just now am fine with a choice of cars to use but always looking and thinking.

 

The new longer range bigger battery PHEV,s are good.

The Speed Limiter Warning's can be a PITA with some cars, some Lane Keep Assist is too intrusive. IMO.

Not sure the future is Orange. 

Maybe for some of us, the best choices of cars are already here and available.

Edited 14 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

So, sixty four thousand $ question, is anew PHEV destined for your next car? I must admit they do seem to make far better sense of things as you can switch to electric when in town/city traffic to help out with the perceived air quality and switch to petrol on the open road and also enjoy far more of that most valued commodity, time for yourself.  

Wash your mouth out, doesn't matter that they (along with REX etc)  make more sense but  they don't meet the Government mandate of Zero Emissions at the tailpipe ;o)