@Ootohereyes I agree, but they may have thought whats the point, the ICE is going to be dead before long and decided to chuck all of their development budget into the EV's before they also decided that was not going to happen, who really knows what the hell is going on, I don't, we can only make educated guesses and only the fullness of time will tell us if any of us were right or not.

Edited 18 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Octopus Energy do it again.

 

Whilst the Day rate has gone up 10% to just over 25 p per kWh the 5 hour Night rate has stayed at 8.5p per kWh !!!!!

 

Now I have two wallbox chargers which can add about 55 kWh in that 5 hour period plus scheduling house lecky use should mean big saving.

 

Thanks Greg Jackson and the Octopus team progressing The Third Way.

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Norway if they had a 100% fleet of BEV, then their emissions reduction be 4 times the 8% with just 25% BEV fleet, so making a total of 32% (based on their own figures)

Their article states 1 in 4 cars are now BEV but total "surface transportation emissions" dropped by 8.3%. So 4 in 4 cars would be 32% with extreme extrapolation and simplification. The number seems pretty good for this private car usage model. Remember surface transport include emissions from goods transport, shipping and mass transit. Passenger cars are a moderately small percentage.

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

There is no reason to doubt that we could achieve similar or better results without the additional loading globally with extra production and transportation of the electric vehicles which is currently adding to the total pollution levels worldwide alongside that for the existing production of ICE vehicles.

No it is impossible to achieve better result with ICE vehicle, unless the said ICE vehicles can reduce its per-distance emission over its lifetime just like BEV.

 

It's very simple, cars live a long time and 10 year old VW Golf are still producing same amount of emissions per mile. Whereas 10 years old Nissan Leaf are cleaner per mile compared to 10 years ago because the grid is cleaner.

So instead of the ageing fleet (average 9 years old as you previously pointed out) gradually reducing their emissions. The reduction speed is limited by new vehicles being bought.

 

So I think even if a 100% "vehicle with less than <100g/km emission" mandate is introduced today, 4 years ahead of 2030 pure ICE ban, I think UK carbon emissions reduction would not be any faster than current 20 odd percent ZEV mandate. Let's not forget most vehicles that are not supermini cannot easily achieve <100g/km without electrification, it wouldn't be much different to 2030 pure-ICE ban.

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

If you want to live in a cramped 15 minute city and never needing to leave it, then fine be my guest and just be like all the other people toeing the line because they are told to. I doubt that you will find many if any of the top wealthy or important people willing to submit to such a life, they will no doubt be enjoying large palatial estates away from prying eyes living it up. 

 

It appears I've hit a trigger word. You are actually the one toeing the line and spreading:

 

 

 

Your own logic and points previously beautifully articulated (below), but outlook for the same concept took a turn when the trigger word is mentioned. How sad.

 

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Logic dictates if the services run where and when people need them, are cheap to access, comfortable, clean, frequent services covering the largest possible areas of any city/town thus reducing the amount of walking and waiting around in all kinds of weather, then more people would elect to use it. There would be far less wear and tear on the road surfaces so they would last longer and more frequent rural routes would also have the same effect of taking cars off the road so they only tended to be used for when the whole family need to go somewhere, or at hours when buses don't operate or on longer trips. Its a no-brainer

 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Their article states 1 in 4 cars are now BEV but total "surface transportation emissions" dropped by 8.3%. So 4 in 4 cars would be 32% with extreme extrapolation and simplification. The number seems pretty good for this private car usage model. Remember surface transport include emissions from goods transport, shipping and mass transit. Passenger cars are a moderately small percentage.

 

No it is impossible to achieve better result with ICE vehicle, unless the said ICE vehicles can reduce its per-distance emission over its lifetime just like BEV.

 

It's very simple, cars live a long time and 10 year old VW Golf are still producing same amount of emissions per mile. Whereas 10 years old Nissan Leaf are cleaner per mile compared to 10 years ago because the grid is cleaner.

So instead of the ageing fleet (average 9 years old as you previously pointed out) gradually reducing their emissions. The reduction speed is limited by new vehicles being bought.

 

So I think even if a 100% "vehicle with less than <100g/km emission" mandate is introduced today, 4 years ahead of 2030 pure ICE ban, I think UK carbon emissions reduction would not be any faster than current 20 odd percent ZEV mandate. Let's not forget most vehicles that are not supermini cannot easily achieve <100g/km without electrification, it wouldn't be much different to 2030 pure-ICE ban.

 

 

It appears I've hit a trigger word. You are actually the one toeing the line and spreading:

 

 

 

Your own logic and points previously beautifully articulated (below), but outlook for the same concept took a turn when the trigger word is mentioned. How sad.

 

Again, you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said here, the context is very important. On the first point you have just stated the same thing that I did for Norways private car fleet, 4 x 8 is 32, I never mentioned other surface traffic because as things are I assumed their trains were currently electric like ours and the fact that lorries are still currently diesel powered as are ships, so I stated only the figures for 100% electric cars and made comparisons based on that basis. Right now the world is adding massively to the whole global warming by still allowing massive high-powered large engined cars to be made and sold alongside the massive investment of electric cars. They have their own manufacturing plants and logistics all of which is adding more CO2 to the atmosphere when in a few years time we might discover that we had it wrong and that electric is just a bigger climate crisis as diesel has turned out to be.

 

Whereas if we had perhaps limited the size and power of car engines we would have quickly reduced the emissions and given ourselves more time to fully explore the electric and other power sources in more detail and learnt how to handle the battery problems etc before committing ourselves to a system without the full knowledge and backup services, all of which are sadly lacking with electric cars as many garages refusing to touch them. However that has not happened so we are still producing these monsterly powerful pollution machines while simultaneously adding more emissions mining transporting and producing all the extra raw materials and the finished product around the world all extra  to what we are already making with the making of ICE cars.

 

Please listen, I'm like you, only pointing out the bleeding obvious without the added complication of actually owning one. Now I get it and fully understand that you happen to like what you have and you can enjoy cheaper motoring because of the investment you have made towards that aim. And without early adaptors like you, it takes longer to perfect things. 

 

Nuclear energy was also hailed as the way to go and electric was going to be so cheap they would be almost able to give it away, then they discovered that it was a lot more dangerous than they thought in the first place and now we are having problems dealing with the spent fuel rods which will remain highly active and deadly for around 100,000 years and there are loads of these across the planet, what legacy are we leaving for our children and grandchildren and their children for the next 100,000 years and maybe even longer. We could be running a risk with all the Lithium and Cobalt etc further adding to their problems.  Where will the UK bury nuclear waste for 100,000 years? - BBC News

 

I admit I don't know the answers, neither do you, but you are prepared to listen and do what you are told without questioning it, while I question it, does that make me a bad person because I want to look what is on the other side of the wall before making a leap of faith?

Even though if we stop and think about it and look at the bad decisions made by people before that were perhaps too excited about what the engineers had told them and had then decided to press the go ahead button before we fully understood the all the implications of what that technology would present. You must admit that we have seen some pretty horrific outcomes, and there are still vast areas of the world that are too dangerous for us to live in or consume crops grown within those areas, through the radiation exposure.

If I have not made my position clear enough to you, please lets not enter into you said, I said situation and pee everyone else off, let's just agree to disagree, there are other areas where we do agree and as always time will reveal who was right.

Edited 18 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Ok, water under the bridge re previous points. No point dragging it out.

 

But a few new points that are totally not true:

 

16 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

They have their own manufacturing plants and logistics all of which is adding more CO2 to the atmosphere when in a few years time we might discover that we had it wrong and that electric is just a bigger climate crisis as diesel has turned out to be.

No, EV are comprehensively proven to be produce less carbon emissions in today's grid:

In UK: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions

In US: https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

EV myths busting: https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/

There's many more well established sources.

 

20 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

We could be running a risk with all the Lithium and Cobalt etc further adding to their problems. 

Again, see myths busting page linked above.

Batteries can be re-used, and recycled. All components of Li-on battery are proven to be highly recyclable.

Cobalt-free batteries have already entered the market in a big way.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

without the added complication of actually owning one

Owning one does not invalidate arguments made for reasons why people should adopt one.

But not owning one does invalidate attempted talking points on on real world usage experiences. Second hand experience does not equal to real world experience.

 

21 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

while I question it, does that make me a bad person because I want to look what is on the other side of the wall before making a leap of faith?

Yes if you share conspiracy theory motivated slogans and spread FUD.

 

No, your position isn't clear. Because you keep saying you are in favour of EV's but at the same time you repeatedly spread misinformation about EV. Case in point, above points.

6 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I own because I like and I can. Does not mean I don't walk the talk. My whole family had been using public transport whenever it is more suitable (eg. into the city). We use micromobility for most local things.

 

Despite owning 2 cars, total annual mileage they do is less than 12k, including long drives such as the one earlier in the summer and many weekend day trips.

 

Remember, car ownership does not mean using it to clog up the roads. It's parked on private land (a small driveway) when not being used.

 

Excellent...   A man after my own heart in terms of attitude. 

 

Re the micromobility I hope it's not illegal forms of micro mobility or illegal use of those forms (bearing in mind I think they are great but also know others on here and on this thread use them and have openly admitted to doing so illegally

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

But a few new points that are totally not true:

 

No, EV are comprehensively proven to be produce less carbon emissions in today's grid:

In UK: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions

In US: https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

EV myths busting: https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/

There's many more well established sources.

 

Again I not disputing that am I?

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Again, see myths busting page linked above.

Batteries can be re-used, and recycled. All components of Li-on battery are proven to be highly recyclable.

Cobalt-free batteries have already entered the market in a big way.

Again I have not disputed that, but Cobalt is not only used within batteries, it is I understand a key component in other areas of an electric car like its motor. Old batteries may be able to reused in storage systems for your house, for example, but they are not all able to be used because some are faulty and battery recycling plants are so few and seldom are they local and if you ring your local council refuse centre for advice on where you can take an old battery they can't tell you, allegedly going by other sites etc.

 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Owning one does not invalidate arguments made for reasons why people should adopt one.

But not owning one does invalidate attempted talking points on on real world usage experiences. Second hand experience does not equal to real world experience.

I don't recall making any comments about real world usage experiences, what I have said is that for the average person be able to enjoy the benefits that you keep banging about the cheapness of motoring and being able to with the right kit, power you home from the car if the need ever arose etc, that those people first need to able to get their car off the road and close enough to their home in order to both charge the car and also power their house from the car battery. If they cannot do that then everything else is pointless.

Have you personally experienced driving a truck with the overhead catenary HV wire powering the truck via a pantograph? No thought not but you made a contribution to the discussion as did I so that is a nonsense argument and statement to make.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Yes if you share conspiracy theory motivated slogans and spread FUD.

 

No, your position isn't clear. Because you keep saying you are in favour of EV's but at the same time you repeatedly spread misinformation about EV. Case in point, above points.

I don't go in for conspiracy cases or knowingly spread FUD, but if someone tells me to jump I don't just do it or ask them how high etc, I prefer to ask why should I jump, what is the purpose and reason for me jumping rather them proving to them that I'm willing to do what ever they tell me to because I'm incapable of thinking for myself, hence why I said I like to know what is on the other side if the wall I'm being told to jump over rather than taking a leap of faith. It's called self-preservation, I know that nobody is going to take my well-being as seriously as I do, so why not look first, it's my life at risk not, theirs.

 

Just because I don't see things in the same light as you do does not mean that I'm anti EV because I'm not as I have said many times now but you don't accept that. What I'm anti being is that we are being told that we will have no option after 2030 as ICE is going to be banned, and yet I see no evidence from those making those decisions that they are going to be leading by example for the reasons I have already stated today in other posts.

Edited 18 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Just drive one of the many millions of ICE vehicles that there will be available in the UK.  Especially as you do not buy new cars.

You have a 7 year old car now anyway. Maybe as good as cars come, or maybe by 2030 if wanting a car you can buy a pre Euro 7 ICE vehicle.

It does look that Hybrids / electrified cars will be available to buy and first register for longer than just pure ICE cars. 

Hum, I'm very confused here. There's another case of say one thing doing another:

 

You say you don't "knowing spread FUD".

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I don't go in for conspiracy cases or knowingly spread FUD

 

You also say you are not disputing that EV are comprehensively proven to be produce less carbon emissions

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Again I not disputing that am I?

 

Again I have not disputed that

 

But earlier you said:

10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

They have their own manufacturing plants and logistics all of which is adding more CO2 to the atmosphere when in a few years time we might discover that we had it wrong and that electric is just a bigger climate crisis as diesel has turned out to be.

 

Sure, you used the uncertainty word. But if it is comprehensively proven facts (which you directly quoted and said don't dispute), then why does it not comprehensively stop you from repeating those proven false FUD?

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

but Cobalt is not only used within batteries, it is I understand a key component in other areas of an electric car like its motor. Old batteries may be able to reused in storage systems for your house, for example, but they are not all able to be used because some are faulty and battery recycling plants are so few and seldom are they local and if you ring your local council refuse centre for advice on where you can take an old battery they can't tell you, allegedly going by other sites etc.

Cobalt is used in many things, some electric motor has a tiny fraction of cobalt. Just as the starter motor for ICE may also have cobalt. They are also used in alloys, as catalyst and as gamma emitters. Just having cobalt does not make them bad.

 

Last time I checked, no car is being recycled at anyone's local recycling centre. They are not designed to take extremely large items such as a passenger vehicle. Your point is entirely absurd.

 

Li-on battery recycling is coming when volume gets there, current volume is not enough to sustain a large industry in every corner of the world.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

UK company: https://www.veolia.co.uk/battery-recycling

Another company: https://www.fortum.com/services/battery-recycling/lithium-ion-battery-recycling-technology

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Have you personally experienced driving a truck with the overhead catenary HV wire powering the truck via a pantograph? No thought not but you made a contribution to the discussion as did I so that is a nonsense argument and statement to make.

So posting links relevant to discussion, and adding a comment on how it affects battery requirement is not allowed? Must require actual driving experience? Another extremely absurd statement from you.

 

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Just because I don't see things in the same light as you do does not mean that I'm anti EV because I'm not as I have said many times now but you don't accept that. What I'm anti being is that we are being told that we will have no option after 2030 as ICE is going to be banned,

This isn't about questioning things. This is about spread the truth and not spread misinformation.

 

Truth is that ICE are not banned after 2030. You can still buy new vehicles with ICE and exclusively use petrol stations.

 

Speaking of questioning things. funny how when I question your points, pointing out the obvious, it is not respecting opinions or you view as picking on you for "don't see things in the same light".

10 hours ago, skomaz said:

Excellent...   A man after my own heart in terms of attitude. 

 

Re the micromobility I hope it's not illegal forms of micro mobility or illegal use of those forms (bearing in mind I think they are great but also know others on here and on this thread use them and have openly admitted to doing so illegally

Indeed. Micro mobility includes bikes, manual scooters as well as currently illegal e-scooter.

 

Normally we walk to local Coop corner shop. There's also a retail park within walking distance and to my wife's delight they recently opened a large-ish M&S Food in there. Big Tesco in easy micro-mobility distance or slightly long walking distance. I only drive to big Tesco once a week to do big click&collect, all other smaller purchases are done locally by walking.

 

GP and dentist are similar, in long walk distance. Swimming pool and cinema is in micro-mobility distance. I don't go to bank branches anymore but there's 2 high streets in micro-mobility distance.

 

This is what I like about living here. Having most things within reach, almost like 15min city concept And solves my biggest bug bear living here: congestion. Whenever North Circular is congested, the roads nearby become a rat-run and it takes 20 minutes minimum to drive anywhere.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Just drive one of the many millions of ICE vehicles that there will be available in the UK.  Especially as you do not buy new cars.

You have a 7 year old car now anyway. Maybe as good as cars come, or maybe by 2030 if wanting a car you can buy a pre Euro 7 ICE vehicle.

It does look that Hybrids / electrified cars will be available to buy and first register for longer than just pure ICE cars. 

I totally agree, however, I wasn't talking about the banning of ICE from a personal point of view, but from a general view point as those people who are in position of being able to buy new cars and want an ICE car because they do not think that electric suits their needs, or thinks that they are still not a well proven technology with regard to the batteries etc, and they don't want to buy a second hand car for all kinds of reasons, maybe wanting the status symbol of the latest reg, etc. 

 

People just automatically assume that everybody is speaking about themselves all the time, is that a sign of the times that folk think that nobody cares about anybody else any more? My days of buying brand-new cars is long gone unless I win big time on the Lottery. The only new cars I've had, have all been company ones, and I'd have been perfectly to have kept them way beyond the 3 years when companies tend to replace their fleets, I always treated them as if they were mine so they were mistreated and thrashed within an inch of their life which so many are.

 

If I was to be a politician, I think that I would be one of the old fashioned type, what they called "a statesman" and treat others in the same fashion as I would want to be treated, someone who would look after all the people rather than a select few or types, cronies.

30 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Indeed. Micro mobility includes bikes, manual scooters as well as currently illegal e-scooter.

 

Normally we walk to local Coop corner shop. There's also a retail park within walking distance and to my wife's delight they recently opened a large-ish M&S Food in there. Big Tesco in easy micro-mobility distance or slightly long walking distance. I only drive to big Tesco once a week to do big click&collect, all other smaller purchases are done locally by walking.

 

GP and dentist are similar, in long walk distance. Swimming pool and cinema is in micro-mobility distance. I don't go to bank branches anymore but there's 2 high streets in micro-mobility distance.

 

This is what I like about living here. Having most things within reach, almost like 15min city concept And solves my biggest bug bear living here: congestion. Whenever North Circular is congested, the roads nearby become a rat-run and it takes 20 minutes minimum to drive anywhere.

All very commendable, however that is not the same for everyone and also as one gets older, suddenly that walking really becomes a bit of a nightmare, the body is no longer as fit, strong, flexible and forgiving as it used to be and joints begin to wear out, you become less steady on your feet etc, something that will come to most people in time. It is very frustrating when you see others doing things that I used to do and think nothing of it, it was just something that I used to without realising I was doing it. Even something as simple as getting in and out of a chair can become a chore. 

 

People need to start to thinking of others a bit more, not if it suits, it must be good enough for everyone else.

39 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

someone who would look after all the people rather than a select few or types, cronies.

In your opinion, does pushing forward EV adoption NOT count as looking after as many people as possible?

1 minute ago, wyx087 said:

In your opinion, does pushing forward EV adoption NOT count as looking after as many people as possible?

No it does not for, the reasons I have attempted so many times to explain but still it does not appear to have sunk in.

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

No it does not for, the reasons I have attempted so many times to explain but still it does not appear to have sunk in.

Such as public charging not as convenient as petrol stations?

 

Ignoring the climate crisis and how EV is a stepping stone towards saving humanity?

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Such as public charging not as convenient as petrol stations?   Ignoring the climate crisis and how EV is a stepping stone towards saving humanity?

 

Weather was quite OK in Berlin last week, it had been freakishly warm day before I arrived ie 32C and then dropped to 16C for most of the week, I gather its back up to over 25C as the Autumnal Equinox comes up this week.  In Switzerland they were getting early snow and in the last few days there has been massive flooding in CS and SK which has impact Skoda operations in those countries.

 

Hottest summers on record, sea water temps several degrees above normal picking up 200 ft yachts and smashing them to pieces on water spouts.

 

Nothing going here, continue as normal burning stuff. SBS (Stop Burning Stuff)  https://stopburningstuff.org/

 

&

 

https://stopburningstuff.org/myths-facts/

 

This might interest some of you in terms of global cycles...

 

El Niño and La Niña Years and Intensities (ggweather.com)

 

psl.noaa.gov/enso/past_events.html

Edited 19 September, 20241 yr by skomaz

Climate change is real. The jury might still be out on the causes but it's 100% happening. 

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

This might interest some of you in terms of global cycles...

 

El Niño and La Niña Years and Intensities (ggweather.com)

 

psl.noaa.gov/enso/past_events.html

 

 

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=61284#ref36

 

Is it why 2030 was originally picked as the carbon zero target so that ten years later it can be claimed "look how good we did it's cooler now?

 

"This implies that we by mid 21^st century must expect cold climatic conditions and extensive ice expansion in the Arctic"

 

 

To keep on the right thread though

 

I am now actively looking for an Enyaq IV 60. Used so registered 2021-2022.

 

Do I need to make sure it has a Heat pump?

 

I am having a nightmare sorting out spec because it appears virtually everything was an option back then with Skoda trying to keep the base price below £35,000 so customers could get grants of £2,500

 

 

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=61284#ref36

 

Is it why 2030 was originally picked as the carbon zero target so that ten years later it can be claimed "look how good we did it's cooler now?

 

"This implies that we by mid 21^st century must expect cold climatic conditions and extensive ice expansion in the Arctic"

 

 

To keep on the right thread though

 

I am now actively looking for an Enyaq IV 60. Used so registered 2021-2022.

 

Do I need to make sure it has a Heat pump?

 

I am having a nightmare sorting out spec because it appears virtually everything was an option back then with Skoda trying to keep the base price below £35,000 so customers could get grants of £2,500

 

 

 

Heat pump can mean only a 10% loss of winter range instead of up to 40% !!!

 

Climate change as result of man made green house gas emissions is real. There is strong scientific consensus and any doubts are cast by individuals with ulterior motive.

UN statement on climate change: https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/what-is-climate-change

UK MET office observations: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/what-is-climate-change

Well researched and referenced book on FUD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

 

Every year, we get more extreme weather events. Every year the poorest in society suffer. We on this car owners forum are already the privileged ones.

 

On a personal level, I'm debating whether to spend the outlay and install air-to-air heat pump, also known as air conditioning units, namely multi-split across 3-4 rooms. It can both reduce gas usage in winter and make whole houses comfortable in the few days of extreme heat. All powered using rooftop solar or cheap off-peak electricity. As you keep saying, "I'm alright Jack".

 

But many people do suffer from the heat, even in cold rainy UK. This is data from 2023:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/heat-mortality-monitoring-reports/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-2023

8 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

To keep on the right thread though

 

I am now actively looking for an Enyaq IV 60. Used so registered 2021-2022.

 

Do I need to make sure it has a Heat pump?

 

I am having a nightmare sorting out spec because it appears virtually everything was an option back then with Skoda trying to keep the base price below £35,000 so customers could get grants of £2,500

The price of a well spec'd Enyaq was not much different from EV6/Model Y back then. There was indeed waaaay too many options and must tick most of them to have good spec.

 

Short tests have shown it doesn't actually matter that much.

 

But I still think heat pump is worth having if you are worried about range over longer trips in winter. It will draw less power to maintain cabin temperature vs PTC heater. Keep in mind implementation varies HUGELY, I think Enyaq heating system is more like i3, no car from traditional manufacturers do heat scavenging like Tesla's back then.

 

If mostly shorter local journey, don't need to look for heat pump car.

11 hours ago, skomaz said:

This might interest some of you in terms of global cycles...

 

El Niño and La Niña Years and Intensities (ggweather.com)

 

psl.noaa.gov/enso/past_events.html

 

The source you quote implies there is the weather patterns and they have gone for decades and will likely continue to do so.  I think they divert attention from the manmade affect on climate and the changing environment all humans and other air, land and sea creatures are having to cope with....

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/?intent=121#:~:text=Note the colors change as,to over 420 ppm currently.

 

Virtual free from floating sea in both the Arctic and Antarctic oceans is looking like a possibility in our lifetimes ie the 2040 decade.....   

 

seaice_202408_fig5.pdfseaice_202408_fig5.pdfhttps://climate.copernicus.eu/sea-ice-cover-august-2024#:~:text=Arctic sea ice extent reached,in the satellite data record.  

 

 

seaice_202408_fig5.pdf

Edited 20 September, 20241 yr by lol-lol

12 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

I am now actively looking for an Enyaq IV 60. Used so registered 2021-2022.

 

Do I need to make sure it has a Heat pump?

 

I am having a nightmare sorting out spec because it appears virtually everything was an option back then with Skoda trying to keep the base price below £35,000 so customers could get grants of £2,500

 

 

I would say no, given it only makes a difference on longer journeys. The cabin heating circuit uses a PDC heater (basically an immersion heater) to get initial heat into the system and give instant heat just like the non-heat pump model. The magic happens when there is heat in the system to be 'pumped' after the PDC has done it's thing - so on a longer journey the benefits are felt. If you pre-heat the cabin before setting off, then your miles / kWh figures are definitely better than a non-heat pump model, but the initial heating still has to be powered either from the battery or mains, just those kWhs are not reflected in the miles / kWh figure.