3 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

trolley buses were the solution , ahead of their time

So, apparently, were trams, but trolley buses have the ability to change lanes...

So that Logging Driver had a doctor's note which can be an exemption from wearing a seat belt.  I told the story before about when seatbelts became compulsory about me and my Driver delivering books to housebound customers and a police inspector stopping us as we pulled away from the shop from getting food and going a few houses along to deliver.  He was told we had an exemption but he said that would not stop us going through the windscreen  & he reported us to the chief librarian.    Three weeks later when there at the shop and the driver jump out and ran across the road and stopped the copper as he was about to drive and shouted, better put on your seat belt because that uniforms not going to stop you going through the windscreen.      Ps. That logging road is not a vehicular right of way.    We used to have a winch challenge event in there with special permissions and insurance and there were warning signs for the public walkers and cyclists and we took care on or off the tracks.  Not all vehicles were road legal at those events. Many were trailered there and back. At most events where road sections were involved we had to have a MOT, insurance, etc.  some places we had to prepare for road sections, wash vehicles, tyres etc.  others were just off-road except crossing one wood or moorland to another.  At the big events the police just stayed clear so that see no evil hear no evil.  Keep life simple.   The problem event was the same weekend as T in the Park where there were road sections from Perthshire to the tank training ground near Stirling.  

Edited 26 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

6 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

shock horror

Youtuber breaking UK law whilst driving on public roads in the UK ?

Whatever next?

Cameras obstructing half the windscreen?
Exceeding the posted speed limit?
Driving whilst distracted (pieces to camera)?


Wonder what other common examples there are ?

as a you tuber who often does pieces to camera, it's just like having a conversation with a passenger. Presumably you're not proposing we all take a vow of silence when we sit in the car? I use a voice command to start the camera and then I speak. Simple, and the camera is usually in the panoramic glass roof so obscuring only my view of the heavens

 

 

Ps. When I towed for gain or reward and did not require a tacho as I was the same as some long distance recovery drivers.   Running a vehicle that ran on LPG and no alternative fuel.    No petrol no diesel.  No need for a Tacho.   The AA, RAC or Green flag used to use Companies that ran Recoveries that did not require a Relay.  The flat bed, Van , pick up or what ever could get motorbikes or cars a long way with one driver. 

1 minute ago, domhnall said:

as a you tuber who often does pieces to camera, it's just like having a conversation with a passenger. Presumably you're not proposing we all take a vow of silence when we sit in the car? I use a voice command to start the camera and then I speak. Simple, and the camera is usually in the panoramic glass roof so obscuring only my view of the heavens

 

 

I'm glad to see identification of satire is still alive & kicking ;o)

2 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

I'm glad to see identification of satire is still alive & kicking ;o)

 

hard to tell on this thread when someone is being serious or whether it's just their tin foil hat impacting onthe message

 

Very thought-provoking video from Dave Takes It On where he is also exposing the car industry dirty tricks that affects both EV and ICE cars with the pre-registered ones on sale with just delivery miles on them, typically around 10miles.

 

 

 

£80,000 off

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408172983070?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Rolls-Royce&maximum-mileage=500&postcode=m45 6dj&fromsra

 

No good for me because my Dog is too big for the back seat with the console in the middle

Edited 28 September, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

That's why I had to sell it and I don't even have a dog 😆, lovely car though.

5 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

Just sort of confirms my thoughts because of all the figures people keep telling how these cars are "selling" and yet when your driving around there are pretty low number of new EV cars actually on the roads, its been smoke and mirrors for a while now and finally someone has been brave enough to actually expose the truth. Until there is a level playing field, its not going to get any better really.

There are lots of falsification of figures of vehicles sales compared to first registrations. Stored cars, runways of vehicles, dockside compounds.   @Graham Butcher please stop thinking where you drive and go to is representative of the rest of the UK as far as his many EV,s are on the road.   As you point out the EV public charging in your area is pathetic.  Go north young man.  Look for green flash registration plates.  See just how many there are.  In cat hire car parks, in NHS staff car parks, in airport car parks, in forecourts and on the roads.   The total number in the UK first registered was only over a million earlier this year.  If 30 million cars registered then what do you expect to see, or 50 million.   I have no idea how many new or nearly new cars are In Trade, but car dealerships have millions of the cars in the UK sitting about. 

 

34 million cars registered, 1.2 million BEV,s end August 2024.  3 4% electric cars.  Registered that is. (Maybe cars and light commercials.)  Maybe do a Google and check that as I am on phone while charging at an empty charging hub.   Going to Dumfries House later.  KC3 seems to not have got EV public chargers there.  Plenty in the area around about, not sure how many add working though.     PS. 1.2 million was how many VW said vehicles in the UK were affected by the Defeat device scandal out of the 11 million globally.  

 

Surely a Turbine or 3 and Solar & EV chargers are something KC3 should have at Dumfries House.

 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

 

If an ev fits your need "It's a no brainer"

 

But keep an eye on your brakes and tyres?

 

Thinking of starting support meetings.

 

"My name is Mark I used to be a petrol head, it is 11 days since i last bought diesel"

How many EV owners are there that are selling privately?

Who is compiling the figures / statistics among these sellers of cars that they own?

There are still scenarios were an ev is not yet suitable but:

 

The mission statement for my support group will be

 

 

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

How many EV owners are there that are selling privately?

Who is compiling the figures / statistics among these sellers of cars that they own?

 

In the first part of the video, i linked it from towards the end for the post, he is looking at a traders auction site, the data is keeper register changes from the dvla and the auction declares trader or private entry.

 

The stats arrived at are his calculations from the limited data from that source on that day?

 

 

On the multiple changes in a year i wonder if it could be trader to trader.

 

There is a car check website that shows "Number of V5c issued" as part of it's info too.

 

He is good, but makes random statements and assumptions and also has 'Click Bait' titles.

The Autotrader and Auction sites are good.

As to private to private sales, they wish they actually knew what went on.

Then Traders, people buying and selling car,  Nod is as good as a wink to a Blind Inland Revenue / HMRC, Just a hobby, honest mister.

 

I know what he looks at. But there are statistics and damn statistics.   He mentions going to a filling station to fill up every night.  Well that is high mileage drivers or people that stick in a fivers worth.

 

How many Private EV owners, early adopters so older EV,s are selling private to go buy these 'Cheap As Chips, brand new BEV,s with 3 miles or clocked up to 3,000 miles.

Clocked UP BEV,s are easily found out when plugged in. 

Plenty Hire / Courtesy / Lease cars are being caught these days, an extra 2,500 miles up just as much as down in a day.

Or change the Tyre Circumference in the ECU and have it register more or less miles. 

 

  It has been all my time involved in the car trade that Demonstrators were clocked up for the break from HMRC.

Channel Island brand new Fords supposedly hire cars with still Wax and Plastic on back in the 1970,s. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The "private" sales on autotrader are sometimes informative.

 

Brand new unregistered for sale "private seller"?

very pleased with my Enyaq so far.

But it's only been a week. Shift work means 4 drives a day and it's short but too far to walk at 65yo.

 

With no special rates and  charging on the 2.4kw i reckon around 20kw costing around £5 allowing for 10% loss in kw charging.

 

At the start of the week it's long term miles per kw was 2.3kw/m. I am guessing that was because of being sat in messing with the car  at the dealers over time, after my week of driving this has risen to 2.8kw/m long term.  I have yet to discover how to sort out the trip and  other stats.

 

I don't want to blur the figures by sitting in it playing 😀

@Ootohereso that's an interesting point you created there, so it seems that most of BEV cars are in Scotland, which somehow does not equate to the national figures.

 

According to various Google searches, the UK has a total population of 67M, Wales population is 3.11M, Scotland has a population of 5.4M, England has a population of 57.1M with the rest being Northern Ireland. Similarly looking at the BEV registrations distributed across the UK as a whole, there are 1.2M pure BEVs and 690,000 PHEVs but I'm only looking pure BEVs as they must be plugged in, in order to move.

 

Scotland has some 12,000 BEV's, for 5.4M people and the UK as a whole has 1.2M BEVs thus making the total in Scotland equate to just 1% of the UK total, thus leaving some 1.188M BEVs (99% of the total)  among 61.6M people.

 

So to maintain the ratio of BEVs to the population as a whole, with just 1% of them being registered in Scotland, that leaves 99% in the rest of the UK, so, 1% = 5.4M so 99 x 5.4M =  534.6M, some 8.7 times the population for the rest of the UK, which does kind of suggest that if the actual registration figures are cars on the road being driven and used, then there are 8.7 more BEVs on the road in the rest of the UK than there are in Scotland?🤔

14 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

There are still scenarios were an ev is not yet suitable but:

 

The mission statement for my support group will be

 

 

Interesting, he claims at 00:49 of the video, that these are now becoming the norm? To be that, they must be the majority of cars on the road and in the UK where EVs are only 3.4%, so just how are these becoming the norm?? They are outnumbered 29 to 1.

 

He is also speaking from the American point of view, where electricity is approximately 50% of the price of gasoline, and that itself is far cheaper then it is here.  cheaper them it is in the UK. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham ButcherMany many cars in Scotland are not first registered in Scotland as is obvious by the registration plates.   As is the case in England.  See just how many cars in the road have a first registration in Scotland.  Also fog sale.    As to the population and vehicles per capita you might see how many vehicles are owned and used and where do the more premium models are sold.   Just open your eyes and you might see.  See pre green flash EV,s that were on the roads before the green flash was introduced.   Sons EV,s like the Stellantis ones are not just as easily spotted.   Edit. I had a quick Google of petrol and diesel registered cars in Scotland.  Interesting on cities in UK with EV,s as to London . 8 3 million people, or Scotland 5.3 million and the area of these. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

31 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham ButcherMany many cars in Scotland are not first registered in Scotland as is obvious by the registration plates.   As is the case in England.  See just how many cars in the road have a first registration in Scotland.  Also fog sale.    As to the population and vehicles per capita you might see how many vehicles are owned and used and where do the more premium models are sold.   Just open your eyes and you might see.  See pre green flash EV,s that were on the roads before the green flash was introduced.   Sons EV,s like the Stellantis ones are not just as easily spotted. 

Well aware of the pre-green flash plates etc., see these on a daily basis down South as well, you really need to come down this way and see for yourself, there are plenty of electric cars here and there is zero reason to believe that Scotland has more than anywhere else. Are you really trying to say that the Scots are the only people to see that if you have the ability of home charging that an EV is a no-brainer if they suit your needs of a car?

 

There are airfields which have new cars stored on them, many of them are already registered, which is exactly what Barrie Crampton says in his video, they have tucked these cars away out of plain sight, very few people really go onto these old disused airbases and are behind gate security guards that will not allow people on site unless they have official business on the site, which I do. That makes these places ideal to "hide" things and the fact that they are also normally in very secluded parts of the country and well screened from roads adds to their suitability.

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

No I am saying that since 2010 and Charge Place Scotland there was many EV,s going on the roads because of the availability of Public Charging, free rapid charging. Then 6 year interest free loans had private buyers, and Motability lease ev,s then the Fleet vehicles and councils, health boards, utilities and others putting EV,s on the road.  Early adopters and not just home charger drivers.   That is what I am saying.  And Arnold Clark and others First Registering EV,s in Scotland.  Not only loans for private buyers, grants and loans for business users different from the Westminster system.    Easy enough to look at 10 to 12 year old used EV,s for sale and see how many were first registered in Scotland from taxi fleets and hire companies. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere