5 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Plausible, it probably has a generator set on board sharing the vehicles fuel.

 

What does Elon drive?

He owns

 

 

https://www.pandahub.com/blog/behind-the-garage-door-unveiling-elon-musks-ultimate-passion-for-cars

Can't believe what he drives from this as the opening line is a lie...

https://www.expressvehiclecontracts.co.uk/blog/elon-musk-is-the-brains-behind-tesla…-but-what-vehicles-are-in-his-garage-

 

Tesla was founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in 2003. 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Not sure if true or fake but quite funny either way......

 

They use bog Standard Ford Transit Connects with ICE.

No EV s harmed here

Somebody will run these.

29 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

He owns

a "Tesla Blivet"; a one off, based on a Tesla Roadster, presently in a lowish Earth orbit around 315 miles high.

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Somebody will run these.

Those plug ins are not the ones shown in the photo, they are totally different in appearance all round. The charging port is in the front N/S wing by the door.

Edited 24 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

^^^ Great stuff.   Where is the Fuel Filler?   Being a PHEV and not a BEV.

But then again Ford will have had to run mules.  It will obviously not be ones Tesla have as delivery vans.  Or could they be?

Edited 24 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Both visible here

 

 

I wonder if he knows you don't have to stand there until it's charged up 😂

Edited 24 September, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

When I had Tesla came to change rear lights due to condensation in early 2023, they were driving old (pre facelift) modified Model S with tool rack where rear seat would be.

 

Just like Cleevely EV's modified MG5.

 

 

Depending on their availability, I might get them to fit new shock absorbers on my Leaf. It's failing..... 😞 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ Great stuff.   Where is the Fuel Filler?   Being a PHEV and not a BEV.

But then again Ford will have had to run mules.  It will obviously not be ones Tesla have as delivery vans.  Or could they be?

The fuel filler is on the left rear side panel above the wheel arch, the charge port is in the N/S front wing, as you can see in the right-hand side photo, there is nothing on the O/S of the van.

 

Those who think that I'm a EV hater, should watch this video, perhaps this will put the points over in a clearer fashion what my main gripe is with EVs. Ignore the charging and the range issues. 

 

These points raised in the video between 2 brothers, 1 owns an Audi A8, the other owns a Tesla Model Y. With all the other videos I watch, these same points are being flagged up, such as the lack of proper switches and dials, most things being controlled via touch screens which demand that you take eyes off the road and navigate the screen and menus to adjust the radio, heating etc. If you do the same thing with your mobile phone or sat nav while driving, or stationary with the ignition on, you face a £2,000 fine, points on your licence etc., and yet it is deemed perfectly acceptable to interact with a large touch screen in the centre of the dashboard. And yet these YouTubers are all being labelled as EV haters which is not true, they just don't share your passion for them for various reasons. 

 

How can someone actually hate something that they have zero experience of? Even the much slated McMaster and his Porsche Taycan, says that he actually enjoys his car in many ways, the looks, driving experience, the things he does not like at the moment is the charging infrastructure which is his chief gripe, which will get better over time. 

 

 

Edited 24 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher EV Haters is the term most often used by you in posts is it not.

Most or all members here with an EV have had ICE vehicles or still have or will have.. 

 

Many like me think they as in what you talk about as EV Hater YT Vloggers actually take a stance or act as they are and use titles for videos and it is Click Bait.

They are being sometimes making comments that are exaggerations on various points and often about stuff totally irrelevant to actualities. 

*They say something random and it requires comments from others to point out the inaccuracy or lack of being factual.*

 

The thing with the Charging Infrastructure is that what ever the issues are some, many even that have no issues.

They charge at home or work and use the public charging structure that suits them.

Handy Tesla, Porsche, Ionity chargers and others. 

 

Social divide,  have a charger or have not a charger, have the car for company / business use and pay for their own miles driven or not.  Social, domestic, pleasure and pay for your own car and driving.

Location location location,  then class of car.

 

Thousands in this country go to work and collect the car from their employers fleet.

Nurses, Carers, Social Workers, Council Employees, Emergency Services / fire / police / ambulance etc etc. 

The car and even the charging is maybe none of their concern other than do their shift and drive what they are provided with, 

if they need to plug in during the shift or at the end then that is what they do.

 

PS.

'Most of the Tesla are Four Wheel Drive Now'.   Silly Comment.

Like many silly comments in the Video.   The Best Selling Tesla Y is not really an example of the tech in many EV,s, it is TESLA Tech and controls.

The Drive in the Audi and selecting the driving mode took a bit of p!thing about and looking between the seats and a screen, 

much like i-drive with BMW,s, unless you are very familiar with the car and you can do it naturally, and a heads up display shows your choices. 

 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Great stuff.

(& available with AWD. )

PHEV,s are going to make more sense for many compared to a Electric Van.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@OotohereI use EV haters term as that is what so many call the YT Vloggers, which most of them are not, they believe, like me, that it will lead to a 2 tier society. 

 

Most Vloggers these days are monetised and for many now, it is their main source of income, and so they, just like all other forms of media, are all seeking the consumers' attention in order to earn money, and then can be via monthly or annual subscriptions for online publications like the Mail, Telegraph, Autocar etc in form of direct payment from the consumer, or the YT Vloggers seeking money via indirect means from advertisers which is based on their subscribers base and the number of views, so they use clickbait in order to get our attention, so where's the problem, its advertising, and we are constantly being bombarded with it, even just sitting in our cars, there are the makers logos etc all over them in view. What really piths me off are those Vloggers who use clickbait to get you to watch them, expecting to see and hear something to do with their thumbnail and or headlines only to find it was a lure to get people to click on it grrr, that is pure clickbait and should be allowed, they are making deliberate false claims.

 

The charging issues that some have or may not have and there many who claim that these Vloggers do it all wrong, claiming they do it on purpose etc, many claim that there is never any problems with chargers not working, this or that app would tell them in advance if chargers are free and working, are not always correct. Sadly, not everyone is as honest and agreeable as you are, and you said in many of your posts that they don't always work etc, and you have had to phone the operators etc.

 

Then just as Vloggers will make comments and sometimes exaggerate, or perceived to do so, so there are many EV owners and drivers here who likewise do precisely the same thing by saying how cheap their EV motoring is and how green they are for using public transport when ever they can, and we all should all be buying new or second-hand EVs and following in their footsteps, when that is not currently a viable option, or even possible for them.

With the Audi in the video and the pithing about selecting the drive mode, I totally agree and more and more cars are going down that route requiring more to be done via the central screen, something many Vloggers highlight as a problem with modern cars, and indeed one of bothers in that video actually did say that it was dangerous. Why not use a good rotary switch or a lever that you don't have to look at to operate? Certain features on my 2016 car have to be done via the screen grrr.

 

By the way, in way did you mean that most Tesla's are 4-wheel drive now? The website only shows the Cybertruck and the model S and model X as being 4-wheel drive only, the Model Y and 3 come in both versions.

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Just asking

 

We returned from France on Saturday on the Brittany Ferries Roscoff to Plymouth route. At check-in in Roscoff there was a notice asking drivers of hybrid or EV vehicles to inform the check-in person who would then give them a round "EV" sticker (even if it was a hybrid) to apply to their windscreen. BTW there was no such notice on the outbound trip from Plymouth a week earlier?

 

While waiting to board we spoke with the driver of a Toyota RAV4 hybrid in the queue behind us who said that when he asked the check-in person why they needed to know she replied she didn't know.

 

When onboard the ferry we looked around and saw that vehicles with the EV  sticker were not segregated and just parked in the lanes with all other cars, SUVs and vans.

 

So why the need for the EV sticker last weekend and not the weekend before on the same ferry, the Armorique?

 

22 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Most Vloggers these days are monetised and for many now, it is their main source of income, and so they, just like all other forms of media, are all seeking the consumers' attention in order to earn money, and then can be via monthly or annual subscriptions for online publications like the Mail, Telegraph, Autocar etc in form of direct payment from the consumer, or the YT Vloggers seeking money via indirect means from advertisers which is based on their subscribers base and the number of views

👍👍👍👍👍

 

21 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

there are many EV owners and drivers here who likewise do precisely the same thing by saying how cheap their EV motoring is and how green they are for using public transport when ever they can, and we all should all be buying new or second-hand EVs and following in their footsteps, when that is not currently a viable option, or even possible for them.

😘

 

Although I must point out my previous comments for using public transport or micro-mobility were egged on by posters such as yourself, asking for validation on my idea about changing the way everyone moves around. I have never talked about "how green" I am in virtual signalling way, this must be your imagination. 

 

Also, the point regarding following other's footstep. I have said it many times, it's about making EV the first option to consider, and then choose ICE if EV doesn't suit. I don't think anyone here is pretending EV can work for 100% of population right now. 

4 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

Just asking

 

We returned from France on Saturday on the Brittany Ferries Roscoff to Plymouth route. At check-in in Roscoff there was a notice asking drivers of hybrid or EV vehicles to inform the check-in person who would then give them a round "EV" sticker (even if it was a hybrid) to apply to their windscreen. BTW there was no such notice on the outbound trip from Plymouth a week earlier?

 

While waiting to board we spoke with the driver of a Toyota RAV4 hybrid in the queue behind us who said that when he asked the check-in person why they needed to know she replied she didn't know.

 

When onboard the ferry we looked around and saw that vehicles with the EV  sticker were not segregated and just parked in the lanes with all other cars, SUVs and vans.

 

So why the need for the EV sticker last weekend and not the weekend before on the same ferry, the Armorique?

Probably  for the simple reason  of identifying quickly and easily (ie without needing to check on an electronic manifest)  if a Vehicle is an EV in case of any issues.

As to why only on the one journey, maybe a new policy was introduced whilst you are away.

Sometimes the simplest answers are the best

Incidentally whilst I was on the Ferry back from Arran  last weekend I noticed a box marked something like "EV fire blanket"

@Graham Butcher  The guy in the video said about most Tesla being AWD.

But then there was he comment on EV,s and 1 pedal driving.

Not all or nearly all Tesla are AWD and many EV,s are not One Pedal Driving, there are ones that have it, or that the setting can allow the driver to one pedal drive.

 

Personally Tesla do not interest me, or many of the advanced EV,s with what ever controls and lack of physical controls, but that applies also to ICE / Hybrid ICE vehicles.

Cars designed and with systems ad placements that suit Left Hand Drive and not Right Hand Drive.

That has been the case for decades though with Automatic Vehicles, as in where the symbols are next to the gear shifter, which side the hand brake or indicators are etc. 

 

Hybrid Ford Vans for Global / EU, right hand drive and Charging Port or Fuel Filler at drivers door side. 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@wyx087 you seem to think that my comments were aimed you exclusively, well, that is not true, and I'm not aware that anyone was egging you on that you had to explain how you used public transport, when several people have already pointed out that you do happen to live in one of the best cities in the world for public transport services. I know other people who live in London and one person in particular who has sold his car because he can and does mainly use public transport because it is so good and as he says, it suits him, he only has himself to please, nobody else to worry about, and it saves him a **** load of cash by not having a rust bucket decaying and cost him VED, insurance and running costs, servicing etc when he can hire one for the one or times a year when he might need one.

Those that have had an EV, and then another and maybe yet another surely want ones or are forced to have by employers.

@domhnallIs on his 3rd EV, & has driven plenty, and others here have had 2 or 3, or have more than 1 now.

Those that have had them and get shot and want away from them will have a story worth hearing.

 

I am cramming up now on a 5 door 2023 MINI Petrol Auto ready to get one in 2026. (Used last generation, not a 2024 / 25 car.)

Being up on the standard fitments and options i want to have a Keeper with the Old Tech i like, & the interior & controls i like. 

Maybe there will be an EV that takes my fancy by then, possibly the New Smaller Cupra EV, or i will buy a Mini Electric from 2023 as should be cheap as chips.

I will start shopping a few months before the current car is due to be handed back. Probably not extend the lease by much as finance on a used one will be less even paying for insurance and maintenance etc.

But Que Sera Sera.  There is a very troubled world happening now and in the next 2 years.

 

Can get knocked over tomorrow just crossing a road by a silent vehicle, but probably not by a diesel. 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere Oh, sorry that was my bad, I misread your comment re the AWD. The one pedal driving bit, surely all EV's have regen? That regen is what determines the amount of "braking" a driver has to do does it not? So if you turned off the regen, then you effectively only have a sort of normal ICE mode of braking where the transmission is still engaged unless you have a coasting mode?  Switching off the regen mode is at expense of range, is that a good idea or not.

 

Yes the centralisation of controls is not really new as even my 1957 Hillman Minx had them grouped in the middle of the dash, as did the Morris Minor (supposed to be making a comeback with updated design) and then of course the original mini, as a means of making it easier to build left and right-hand drive models, but one thing they all had in common was physical controls that could be operated without needing to look at what you were doing in order to operate anything to do the operation of the car or radio.  These thank goodness most ICE cars have the dials also placed directly in front of the driver.

 

As to the Tesla not interesting you, I concur, I much prefer a car to still look like a car, with a traditional  "Face" if you will with a grill and headlights etc. I was never a fan of the rear engined (except the beetle) cars like the Renault Dauphine, or the Renault Floride always tend to look odd.

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Surely / Shirley,  the Stallantis cars did not and do not have enough regen for one pedal driving, as with some others.

I can not turn off regen in the MINI but i have 2 choices and one gives less regen, but the neither allow coasting.

Having to keep touch the accelerator to keep moving all the time because there is some regen and the car would slow is a PITA as far as i am concerned because the only way not to have to be pressing the accelerator is if in Cruise Control.

 

Some cars have various levels of Regen you can choose while driving, paddles or a switch, some might have 2 levels.

PHEV,s might have no choice of regen, do almost no slowing via engine or motor and have no gear selector, regen is by the brakes and a PITA if you 

are someone that likes coasting and not braking but uses engine braking.  

 

This is the issue really, if you are not trying or driving cars then you only know what others say and many Motoring Journalist only drive a car as handed over for a few hours.

Long term reviews are different, but then still maybe not the same as a driver that keeps a car they buy and gets to know the settings.

 

Getting a Demonstrator / Media car with Settings can be a PITA, but if you can choose 'Guest' then maybe the previous or regular drivers settings for heated seats and steering wheel to come on every time the a starts and the temp is 4 degrees or below, and the heating will not automatically go to 22 Degrees C with a high fan speed.

 

These MINI Countryman hybrid central control buttons are  joke.

The tiny physical buttons that there are, no idea why not just chunkier and better marked, then the crap that shows on the screen and might well require a driver to have Bi or Varifocal glasses, and a long arm or finger. 

 

The GoKart Mode Screen was about as clear for info as any of them.

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Yup, my car has settings that include guests which will alter the radio settings, temperature, seating positions, seat heating etc but as the sole driver, is not a bother for me apart from when it goes in for repairs etc and I have to readjust manually the seat position as the memory function for them has never worked, and the service centre cannot find the problem. A diagnostics scan reveals there are no basic settings stored in memory and going through the setting of the basic settings routine does not get accepted by the system.

Interesting video, a bit rambling but a good result in the end and a happy Tesla owner.

 

 

This is an interesting vid. The main rant isn't about the car (seemingly universally loved, as the most fun EV you can buy) but about the infrastructure buggering up their day a bit.