5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Yes a bit of a faff or just remember the rules not to charge between 1600 and 1900, cost in my area is and eye water 38.34 p per KWh, so that would drop to 36.51 so nearly 2 p a KWH cheaper.If one can be faffed and at least set up a program to start the charge at 2200 hours when the electricity is currently 12.54 which will drop to 11.94 p per KWh when the VAT comes off in 70 days times. The bits between 1900 and 2200 and 0000 and 0400 are at 25.56 p per KWh so the fairly normal rate for most people.

Wow, I don't have any fixed tarrif and my cost per KWH is 23.75p.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by Graham Butcher

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Wow, I don't have any fixed tarrif and my cost per KWH is 23.75p.

Sounds a good rate for lecky, hopefully not go too much in October and the VAT reduction keep it not a shock.

Do you have gas as that is the killer one coming down the track ie looks like going up a fifth or even a quarter for most people who have not fixed and just hitting when we start using gas in meaningful amounts. Would be bad for next year to it is looking like.

Trumps 4 to 6 week war is looking like not that, or 4 to 6 months rate its going but more like 4 to 6 years with the damage being done to Middle East oil and gas facilities.

500 page thread, wowzer!😮

And I'm still no closer to moving off the fence.

Gaz

24 minutes ago, Gaz said:

500 page thread, wowzer!😮

And I'm still no closer to moving off the fence.

Gaz

Please keep buying hydrocarbon fuel as the tax is needed provably more than ever.

52.95 p excise duty per litre and then VAT at 20% on the price of the fuel and VAT on the Excise duty.

The tax receipts have slipped from £25B a year and is heading down towards only £20B a year so we need ICE drivers to keep buying the black gold to keep the taxes rolling in.

Your support is appreciated and please gear up for that 5p a litre coming back on next year.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Please keep buying hydrocarbon fuel as the tax is needed provably more than ever.

52.95 p excise duty per litre and then VAT at 20% on the price of the fuel and VAT on the Excise duty.

The tax receipts have slipped from £25B a year and is heading down towards only £20B a year so we need ICE drivers to keep buying the black gold to keep the taxes rolling in.

Your support is appreciated and please gear up for that 5p a litre coming back on next year.

Thanks for the figures; I'm quite happy to keep on paying that taxation to keep the services that are reliant on that £25B pot of money being there to continue to operate.

But, seriously, it does actually make us ICE drivers/owners wonder. What if there were no actual financial advantages in owning an electric car? If they cost the same as the ICE equivalent to buy, insure, tax, and fuel and operate. They provided the same power output, miles per battery full. In other words, the EVs matched the overall costs and performance exactly as an ICE car. Charging at home was banned, so you had no option but to go to a charging hub, just as ICE cars have to go to a filling station.

Just how many there would be on the roads when the above have been negated and there was no instant torque available and thus no instant acceleration to be the first to pull away and get to the next set of traffic lights, etc. All the other advantages of being able to preheat the cabin on a cold day and defrost the windows, etc., were taken away. The only current characteristic that EVs would be able to carry over is the actual charging time; that is to say, it would be available from a 100 kW charger that would necessitate spending approx. 1 hour each time to recharge the battery as opposed to the 5 minutes for an ICE car to refill its fuel tank.

Then it really would be purely down to personal choice; I would expect the number of them on the road would drop dramaticly and make them a rare sight indeed.

One thing you can be certain of is as the number of EVs on the road increases as a result of government policies and the revenue from ICE cars drops, the government is going to make sure that the shortfall is going to be forced onto the shoulders of EV owners/drivers to replace.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by Graham Butcher