1 hour ago, Evolution13 said:

I am paying 202.7 pence a litre for HVO and it worth every penny extra over derv or premium derv. Smooth running , less smelly and improved mpg. Gulf EvoUltra. Limited availability in Scotland as far as filling stations. But not at Trade / Bunkered suppliers.

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

17 hours ago, lol-lol said:

EV drivers, newspapers etc, constantly quote the Gridserve 90p per KWh charge price,and as the dominate motorway services are used to "show" how expensive EV charging can be.

But thats only the same as the way petrol or diesel prices are quoted too, with the numbers often reflecting the highest prices per litre in remote rural areas, motorway services, or London which often aren't reflective of what the vast majority of people actually pay.

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

What sort of mpg improvement are you seeing?

With HVO being able to reduce the CO₂ by upto 90%, I wonder if by declaring that your vehicle is running 100% on HVO, if you could get the VED reduced to reflect that of a comparable certified reduced CO₂. vehicle?

CO2 production would be very similar.

What might be different is that 90% of the carbon released has come from "renewable" ie organic source. Airline are moving thus way as well as F1 etc.

Still adding to atmospheric carbon dioxide and adding to the global warming that we are seeing the consequences in weather change, fires, crop reductions etc etc.

The solar eclipse power down results are in with Octopus and I have earned an hour of free electricity between 1300 and 1400 ie when our local fusion generator, Sol, is at its peak without the Earth's moon interjecting.

Will try and download around 16 KWh of lecky in that spell.

Edited 59 minutes ago59 min by lol-lol

@Graham Butcher local short trips from home for maybe just 5-15 miles, 30 mph - 60 mph it is 23 mpg on Tesco, Asda or Gulf diesel. 25-27 on BP Supreme diesel which is 10 pence a litre 5 or 10 miles away from my local Shell V-power. There are 2 2 miles apart and the one at the A9 side is a couple of pence cheaper. The HVO local same price as that V-power local. HVO has been constant showing 30-32mpg. Arbroath or Dundee much lower prices for Esso or BP premium diesel. PS, it was like Rolling Coal on Tesco or Asda diesel, but I might just have blown out the cobwebs and any carbon build up now from when I got the 2.4 diesel no SCR / Adblue with 113,000 miles. Done 2,000 miles since May.

Edited 51 minutes ago51 min by Evolution13

21 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

CO2 production would be very similar.

What might be different is that 90% of the carbon released has come from "renewable" ie organic source. Airline are moving thus way as well as F1 etc.

Still adding to atmospheric carbon dioxide and adding to the global warming that we are seeing the consequences in weather change, fires, crop reductions etc etc.

Nope, nice try but no cigar. I try to verify things first, and the claims that you're questioning as mine are taken directly from an HVO supplier's website. HVO Fuel FAQ – What is HVO & Who can use it? | Crown Oil

This time I still have their website on my screen and also saved in my favourites, so I can revisit whenever I like; this has not always happened in the past.

Below is a screenshot from part of their website, and if you actually do click on that link, you can actually verify for yourself that I'm claiming something that has excellent backup proof. I don't go in for all that TLDNR BS myself; like I've always claimed, I have an open mind, and I can be swayed to change my mind if there is sufficient proof and the provider of the proof has no vested interest in achieving a particular outcome.

I admit that on THIS occasion that website does indeed have a vested interest in getting people to believe what they say. So on this occasion I'm only using it to illustrate beyond doubt that the words are not mine; I'm just quoting them in this instance.

Now if it is true, then this opens up another whole new chapter that needs to be explored thoroughly, as it could possibly be more sustainable.

Edited 34 minutes ago34 min by Graham Butcher

HVO how the 90% cleaner is achieved in how it is produced

The massive savings come from a "well-to-wheel" view. For every 1,000 litres of fossil diesel burned, you add roughly 3.6 tonnes of new CO2 to the environment. For 1,000 litres of HVO, the net lifecycle impact drops to about 0.195 tonnes

Will reducing the co2 in the atmosphere compensate for the rise in global temperature caused by cleaning the air?

3 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

I am paying 202.7 pence a litre for HVO and it worth every penny extra over derv or premium derv. Smooth running , less smelly and improved mpg.

Well well, looks like the V70 can partake of it:

And it’s available at my local BP 👍

Gaz

31 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Nope, nice try but no cigar. I try to verify things first, and the claims that you're questioning as mine are taken directly from an HVO supplier's website. HVO Fuel FAQ – What is HVO & Who can use it? | Crown Oil

This time I still have their website on my screen and also saved in my favourites, so I can revisit whenever I like; this has not always happened in the past.

Below is a screenshot from part of their website, and if you actually do click on that link, you can actually verify for yourself that I'm claiming something that has excellent backup proof. I don't go in for all that TLDNR BS myself; like I've always claimed, I have an open mind, and I can be swayed to change my mind if there is sufficient proof and the provider of the proof has no vested interest in achieving a particular outcome.

I admit that on THIS occasion that website does indeed have a vested interest in getting people to believe what they say. So on this occasion I'm only using it to illustrate beyond doubt that the words are not mine; I'm just quoting them in this instance.

Now if it is true, then this opens up another whole new chapter that needs to be explored thoroughly, as it could possibly be more sustainable.

It's what Nett means, 90% from recycled carbon, 10% from mineral carbon.

Just as dirty for the Earth.

Might burn a bit "smoother" and give slightly better mpg but fundamentally still carbon polluting. One good plant trees or carbon capture for each kilo of fuel produced but it will then compete even more badly against real renewable ie electricity used for cars from real purely renewable non carbon polluting source for vehicle propulsion.