Hi All 

       There is an attempt at the minute to brainwash people that all DERVs are the cause of the global environment crisis - Now in years to come diesel will no longer be available (so we are led to believe). This whitewash is only an attempt to sell more vehicles and bolster the car industry. 

 

Well myself and my wife's cousin who is just as mechanically inquisitive as myself have stumbled on an alternative fuel .... Its a mix of home-heating oil (Kerosene) and compressor lubricating oil Fuchs Renolin AC46 (not unlike baby oil)  We mix this on a 60:40 ratio.

He works for a large outfit which does a lot of maintenance. They are only too happy to give him the oil they take out of the compressors at service time...! So its free 

 

We initially tested on a tired Focus TDDi that had the mechanical fuel injection pump and it ran no issues - His everyday vehicle is a Citroen Xantia HDi and we decided to run her on it. We were led to believe that this would damage the injectors and pumps but that is not the case and she runs sweet. No smoke and passed the emissions test at the NCT 28% cleaner than last year...!  

 

We havent put it into anything over Euro 3 yet but I am fairly confident that this will work up to Euro 5 ..  Id like to put a tankful in a car with a DPF in to see if it would damage it but nobody is willing to supply a guinea pig ...!!

 

Now comparing the normal B7 and our own fuels side my side they are very similar but getting pulled by the customs might be another story ... They generally just look for marked agri diesel which apparently will knobble the DPF anyway.

 

We will not be bullied out of our DERVs - I have another 20 years to work until I retire and a DERV is my only option as my commute is 33 miles each way and a hybrid or full electric is unsuitable.

 

Home heating oil is below the radar at the minute and as long as its still available we will be okay ? 

@VanhireBoys

You are posting your illegal activity on a public forum.

The Revenue & Garda are not totally stupid 

 

Derv is not going to be unavailability as long as HGV's are on roads.

 

How will more cars be sold because diesel and petrol cars can not be sold sometime in the future.

People will just still be buying cars as they do because they want the cars and not all petrols or diesels will be getting scrapped soon.

Maybe E10 petrol will cause the demise sooner of cars in the UK that have Engine Management lights coming on that owners can not get to extinguish.

 

Your alternative fuel being illegal to use as road fuel in Ireland / EU  & avoiding tax and duty just as it is in the UK is the issue?

Organised crime groups have been selling much the same for long enough.

 

It is not the same as using Waste Cooking oil / Bio under the HMRC rules as in the UK. 

Edited 12 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

2 hours ago, VanhireBoys said:

Hi All 

       There is an attempt at the minute to brainwash people that all DERVs are the cause of the global environment crisis - Now in years to come diesel will no longer be available (so we are led to believe). This whitewash is only an attempt to sell more vehicles and bolster the car industry. 

 

Well myself and my wife's cousin who is just as mechanically inquisitive as myself have stumbled on an alternative fuel .... Its a mix of home-heating oil (Kerosene) and compressor lubricating oil Fuchs Renolin AC46 (not unlike baby oil)  We mix this on a 60:40 ratio.

He works for a large outfit which does a lot of maintenance. They are only too happy to give him the oil they take out of the compressors at service time...! So its free 

 

We initially tested on a tired Focus TDDi that had the mechanical fuel injection pump and it ran no issues - His everyday vehicle is a Citroen Xantia HDi and we decided to run her on it. We were led to believe that this would damage the injectors and pumps but that is not the case and she runs sweet. No smoke and passed the emissions test at the NCT 28% cleaner than last year...!  

 

We havent put it into anything over Euro 3 yet but I am fairly confident that this will work up to Euro 5 ..  Id like to put a tankful in a car with a DPF in to see if it would damage it but nobody is willing to supply a guinea pig ...!!

 

Now comparing the normal B7 and our own fuels side my side they are very similar but getting pulled by the customs might be another story ... They generally just look for marked agri diesel which apparently will knobble the DPF anyway.

 

We will not be bullied out of our DERVs - I have another 20 years to work until I retire and a DERV is my only option as my commute is 33 miles each way and a hybrid or full electric is unsuitable.

 

Home heating oil is below the radar at the minute and as long as its still available we will be okay ? 

 

Any hydrocarbon fuel used as road fuel or heating fuel is liable to excise duty, £0.5795 in GB and here is your rate in Ireland.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/companies-and-charities/excise-and-licences/excise-duty-rates/mineral-oil-tax.aspx

 

I work with Revenue Ireland quite a bit on customs & excise issues and find them very approachable hence I deal with them on EU issues as we share a common language, my Gaelic is not to good sadly.

 

Why is using an EV unsuitable in Ireland for your commute ?

You can charge at 9 eurocents per kWh at night time so run a cheap second hand EV at less than 2 eurocent per mile ?

 

As an ex-Excise Officer who has seized cars in my past for using red/green marked diesel as well as for bootlegging/smuggling and as Revenue Ireland has many similar working rules as Revenue and Customs GB I would certain suggest compliance to the law else you will both lose your diesel vehicle and be penalised.

 

As an ex-marine engineer who trained as a diesel engineer I love diesel engines more than most but their time is ending and we must move on. 

 

Edited 12 December, 20214 yr by lol-lol

Diesel will be available for many years yet, worry about replacements when you need to.

A source of cheap fuel is LPG but not bought from filling stations but taken from home heating tanks or Agricultural places that have it for Grain Driers / building heating etc.   Also an illegal means of getting road fuels and without markers in the fuel. 

3 hours ago, VanhireBoys said:

Home heating oil is below the radar at the minute and as long as its still available we will be okay ? 

I'm not too sure that this post has kept it below the radar but at the moment I'll let the thread run.

 

As you can see though, we do like to play within the law on here. 👮‍♂️

 

Thanks for the reply's lads 

 

Well as long as I can still get diesel fuel at the pumps to run the car I'll keep doing it - I was just wondering what the alternative would be once petrol/diesel is gone altogether as there will be older vintage and historic vehicles that people might want to use.

 

I have another 20 years to work so that's 2042 ... After this I'll have free public transport and I'll not give a fiddlers how I get somewhere ... 2050 is the cut off for petrol/diesel so If I can I will keep running until then 

 

I spotted that VW are still investing in research and development in diesel so they haven't just given up yet ! 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/vw-won-t-give-up-on-diesels-tdi-can-now-run-on-paraffinic-fuel/ar-AARRmv1?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531

 

There is a quite a large compendium of stories of alternate fuels used in diesel based engines over the years:

 

Going by memory the original Otto diesel was designed to run on vegetable oils. Hence those people running on old frying chip oil.

Some years back a French light aviation company were promoting a turbo-diesel based engine running on aviation jet fuel (kerosene) , claiming I think a 60% reduction in running costs.

An Australian based business is looking at creating a fuel from old tyres which when mixed with regular diesel was found to reduce Nox emissions and particles by about 30% when tested by a local university.

Many diesels can run on natural gas but they prefer to have a small amount of diesel injected to aid the combustion process (especially when starting). Used by static diesel generators and local buses here.

There are also companies who will 'convert' your diesel to have an additional lpg injection system with the diesel which is supposed to reduce Nox and particles and produce better power and economy (above the cost of the additional lpg injections).

There was even a converted turbo diesel that successfully ran pure ethanol due its naturally high octane rating, claiming to achieve remarkably good power and economy

 

I'm sure there are others, but that is all I can remember for now, and don't hold me to the figures I have tried to recall.

Edited 17 December, 20214 yr by Gerrycan

Here's some interesting news ? https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-environment-and-energy/volkswagen-commits-diesel-next-decade