9 hours ago, Avocet said:

Yes but two of them are pretty much the same thing, just longer duration!  (And it's not Skoda - or even VW who develop these, it's usually a 2nd tier supplier like Bosch).  You then get different manufacturers buying the technology and giving it their own fancy name to try and make it look like their own.  Hill hold is just auto hold with a shorter duration.

 

Although they both work by maintaining the pessure in the brake lines, I don't consider them the same thing. Hill assist will only apply if the car is on an upslope and only stays on until you attempt to move. Auto Hold comes on every time you stop, uphill, flat or downhill, and although Avocet says it only stays on for 10 minutes, it is not something that I will verify. So in my opinion they are not the same thing. 

12 hours ago, Avocet said:

Yes but two of them are pretty much the same thing, just longer duration!  (And it's not Skoda - or even VW who develop these, it's usually a 2nd tier supplier like Bosch).  You then get different manufacturers buying the technology and giving it their own fancy name to try and make it look like their own.  Hill hold is just auto hold with a shorter duration.

 

Whatever our opinion on the similarity of the features they operate under different parameters and Skoda call them out as different / individual features.

 

The reason for my earlier post was to offer some clarity, this post does a good job of demonstrating how each of the three features are often misdescribed / named, which can then make it more difficult for others to offer advice or help.

 

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4 hours ago, Routemaster1461 said:

 

Although they both work by maintaining the pessure in the brake lines, I don't consider them the same thing. Hill assist will only apply if the car is on an upslope and only stays on until you attempt to move. Auto Hold comes on every time you stop, uphill, flat or downhill, and although Avocet says it only stays on for 10 minutes, it is not something that I will verify. So in my opinion they are not the same thing. 

Auto hold works on upslopes too!  If anything, it makes hill hold completely redundant.  Nothing bad happens if you get to the end of your 10 minutes, by the way.  If that happens, it just puts on its electric parking brake and lets the pressure out of the hydraulic system.  The car doesn't go anywhere.

2 hours ago, silver1011 said:

 

Whatever our opinion on the similarity of the features they operate under different parameters and Skoda call them out as different / individual features.

 

The reason for my earlier post was to offer some clarity, this post does a good job of demonstrating how each of the three features are often misdescribed / named, which can then make it more difficult for others to offer advice or help.

 

It's perhaps not surprising though, that the manufacturer will "sell" them as different features!  All it costs him is a few lines of code.  All the hardware is already in the car anyway.  There have been a few occasions (usually a tight parking space on a slope) where I have wanted to disable Autohold and just let the car roll back(or forwards) slowly on the brakes a few inches at a time.  On the uphill occasions, the hill hold becomes a right pain in the backside because you can't disable that!  (At least, I don't think you can)?

I wonder if Hill Hold Assist is disabled at the same time as Auto Hold via the button? I know it wasn't on my older Octavia (without Auto Hold and therefore the button).

 

I know what you mean though, Auto Hold, Hill Hold Assist and the EPB can all get in the way when I'm hitching up the caravan 😂

2 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

I wonder if Hill Hold Assist is disabled at the same time as Auto Hold via the button? I know it wasn't on my older Octavia (without Auto Hold and therefore the button).

 

I know what you mean though, Auto Hold, Hill Hold Assist and the EPB can all get in the way when I'm hitching up the caravan 😂

 

No it isn't. Hill hold would be pointless if this happened.

Yes, fair point, I guess you'd want / need them to operate independently.

 

No doubt there's a reason Skoda decided not to allow the driver to disable it independently to Auto Hold.

My oh my.  This thread has rambled on forever.

 

Has everyone got a grip of their brakes now?

 

I’m glad I know what mine are doing. And I like them 😀

On 08/01/2022 at 17:54, silver1011 said:

Yes, fair point, I guess you'd want / need them to operate independently.

 

No doubt there's a reason Skoda decided not to allow the driver to disable it independently to Auto Hold.

Although for the first 100 years of the motor car's existence, we didn't seem to "need" either of them!😁

On 09/01/2022 at 21:57, BoxerBoy said:

My oh my.  This thread has rambled on forever.