I want to replace mine but what can i use as alternative since the Pentosin CHF 7.1 is discontinued?

The specification of Hydraulic oil is G 002 000

 

Many years back we had this:

 

Pentosin cHF 7.1 is a high performance hydraulic fluid, formulated with mineral base oils, for life-time lubrication in older/vintage vehicle aggregates.

It serves in power steering systems, shock absorber, automatic level control and other chassis suspension systems.

Pentosin CHF 7.1 is NOT miscible with modern high performance hydraulic fluids such as the Pentosin CHF 11S or CHF 202

 

Audi/Volkswagen

Reference number: A0E 041 020 10

 

This one says "Synthetic" although writes in Numbers: G002000

https://www.worldcarparts.co.uk/synthetic-green-power-steering-hydraulic-fluid-febi-bilstein-06161

 

How about this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323485763431

Any suggestions?

Febi Bilstein 06162 Central Hydraulic And Power Steering Fluid - Green (CHF 7.1)

 

Fuchs Titan (Was Pentosin) but they don't seem to do CHF 7.1. - https://www.fuchs.com/pl/en/products/product-program/automotive-lubricants/central-hydraulic-power-steering-fluids/

 

Can You Mix Older Mineral Based VW Hydraulic Power Steering Fluid with the Updated and Newer Synthetic Power Steering Fluid?
There has been a good measure of controversy over this question. Here is what our own experience has shown. Over the last decade we've had no compatibility problems mixing the CHF 7.1 non-synthetic mineral base fluid and the CHF 11S synthetic based VW hydraulic power steering fluid. No problems with our own vehicles and no problems with our customers vehicles. Our success in mixing the 2 Volkswagen hydraulic power steering fluids coincides with the VW tech bulletin 48-89-T07 issued in November 1989. It states, "The new [synthetic VW quality specification TL 52 146.00, OE part number G 002 000 A2 or CHF11s] and old power steering fluid [non-synthetic CHF 7.1 OE part number A0E 041 020 10] can be mixed if necessary." So according to VW, you can mix the 2 Volkswagen hydraulic power steering fluids. Even though the composition of the fluid changed from a synthetic base oil vs a non-synthetic mineral oil.
1980-1989 VW models came filled from the factory with OE part number A0E 041 020 10 or CHF 7.1 mineral based fluid.
1990-2005 VW models have come filled from the factory with the synthetic VW spec TL 52 146.00, OE part number G 002 000 A2 or CHF11s.
2006-current VW hydrailic power steering fluid systems are filled with the fully synthetic VW TL 52 146.01, G 004 000 A2, CHF202 spec.
Important Note: Never mix generic power steering fluid or other fluid with VW power steering fluid (G002000) or CHF202 (G004000). If you or someone else did, flush the VW power steering fluid as described below. When flushing your hydraulic steering fluid system, we recommend upgrading to the newest fully synthetic VW G004000 fluid specification.

 

Overview of How to Change VW Hydraulic Fluid

Demonstated/Applies to 1998-2005 VW Passat Models
We always recommend having an A.S.E. certified VW mechanic change your VW hydraulic power steering fluid. Refer to the factory service manual for VW hydraulic system instructions. Always wear gloves and wear safety goggles when handling VW fluids. Never start the vehicle without VW hydraulic power steering fluid in the fluid reservoir.
This is a basic overview of what is involved when flushing VW hydraulic power steering fluid. It is not intended to replace the factory service manual. Please refer to the factory service manual for detailed instructions.

1. The VW hydraulic fluid reservoir is located on the driver’s side inner fender well in the engine compartment right behind the head lamp.
2. Locate the hydraulic power steering cooler tubing in front of the radiator. Find the rubber hose that attaches to the tubing located near the driver’s side lower corner of the radiator. Disconnect the hose and drain the VW hydraulic fluid.
3. Flush the old VW hydraulic fluid out of the VW steering rack and pinion. Turn the steering wheel full lock side to side about 10-20 times. This sequence pushes the VW hydraulic fluid out of the steering rack and into the fluid reservoir for it to drain out.
4. Some models have a sleeve type filter screen inserted in the fill hole of the VW hydraulic fluid reservoir. If it has the filter, remove it and clean it. Clean out the sediment that also exists on the bottom of the VW hydraulic fluid reservoir.
5. Reinstall the VW hydraulic fluid hose removed in step (2) and fill the reservoir with G002000/G004000 VW hydraulic fluid.
6. Start the engine and let the car run for 10 seconds at idle. Important! Do not rev the engine up. Revving the engine could cause hydraulic pump damage. Repeat this step several times while confirming the hydraulic fluid reservoir is full.
7. Refill the VW hydraulic fluid reservoir again with G002000 hydraulic steering fluid.
8. Start the engine and let the car run at idle, turn the steering wheel full lock about 10 times from side to side.
9. Turn the engine off and fill the hydraulic fluid in the reservoir to the maximum capacity level as indicated.

Scroll towards bottom of this page - 

https://www.clubtouareg.com/threads/use-only-mineral-hydraulic-fluid-g002000.292052/

 

Just as a bit of background, there are synthetic oils and 'synthetic' oils, I leave you to research the difference, I have been using them in my various 1970s everyday use "classic" (over-valued and over-priced) cars for about 30 years.

 

From back then and still now some, usually those that hardly ever drive their "classic" (over-valued and over-priced) cars, have told me I must use mineral oils only and using synthetic/'synthetic' oils will ruin my cars, rot my teeth and steal my looks.  I've done hundreds of thousands of miles in those various classics and the oils kept them running well and I still have my teeth and looks.

 

My current car is from 1973, 21 years before the first Felicia and 28 years before the last Felicia, and it has 'synthetic' oils in the engine, in the (early '80s Ford) gearbox, GL5 and rear axle, GL5.

 

Thank you @nta16 aka Nigel.

 

11 hours ago, nta16 said:

Febi Bilstein 06162 Central Hydraulic And Power Steering Fluid - Green (CHF 7.1)

 

 

Febi Bilstein 06161 Synthetic Power Steering Fluid CHF 11S

https://www.porza.co.uk/product/hydraulic-oil-febi-bilstein-06161

 

OEN G 002 000 — SKODA

OEN G 002 500 — SKODA

OEN G 004 000 M2 — SKODA

 

Another one that i have found is this Amsoil which is Synthetic

https://www.theloladia.gr/el/ygra-timonioy-1/amsoil-synthetic-power-steering-fluid-473ml.html

 

https://www.buyoildirect.com/amsoil-products/amsoil-other-products/power-steering-fluid/multi-vehicle-synthetic-power-steering-fluid.html

VW/Audi TL-52146; G002000

 

1 litre is enough to do the job?

 

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-100-a6-c4-platform-24/power-steering-fluid-2146435/page2/

 

Except the known:

 

There has been a good measure of controversy over this question. Here is what our own experience shows. Over the last decade we've had no compatibility problems mixing the CHF 7.1 non-synthetic mineral base fluid and the CHF 11S synthetic based Audi hydraulic fluid. No problems with our own vehicles and no problems with our customers vehicles. Our success in mixing the 2 Audi hydraulic fluids coincides with the Audi tech bulletin 48-89-T07 issued in November 1989. It states "The new [synthetic Pentosin 11S] and old hydraulic fluid [non-synthetic Pentosin 7.1] can be mixed if necessary ... the part number [remains] unchanged." So according to Audi, you can mix the 2 Audi hydraulic fluids. Even though the composition of the fluid changed (CHF 11S synthetic mineral oil vs CHF 7.1 non-synthetic mineral oil), Audi didn't even change the part number. All 1990 - on Audi models have come filled from the factory with the synthetic CHF 11S Audi hydraulic fluid (G002000). Please Note: Never mix generic hydraulic fluid or other fluid with the CHF 7.1 or CHF 11S Audi hydraulic fluid (G002000). If you or someone else did, flush the Audi hydraulic fluid as described below.

 

there is a guy with only 1 post post which writes very ''strictly"

 

This is the FINAL WORD! No more discussion...ever!! Every other opinion from every other source is WRONG. Read the OEM containers for yourself, and remove all doubt. DO NOT believe the guys at the Parts Counters OR the Mechanics who are Audi Trained.
"Pentosin" is the OEM for the hydraulic oil used in Audi's (and occasionally BMW's, VW's, etc.) Steering Systems. It is called by many names, part numbers and packaged in numerous different shape and size containers, BUT the following is "The More Sure Word":
"Pentosin" CHF 7.1 (White Can, Green Cap) is a natural mineral based fluid used in the Audi 5000 from 1984 to 1989. Use ONLY 7.1, anything else will dissolve your steering pump seals and hoses, and your parking space will show up on the EPA "Super Clean-up" site list as oil-saturated from all the leaks!
Pentosin CHF llS (Green Can, Red Cap) is a synthetic mineral based fluid used (thus the "S" in the name),in the Audi 5000 for the 1990 and after. The 1990+ Models use different materials in the hydraulic system which are not subject to disintegration. Use ONLY 11S, which has a slightly wider operating temperature range.

NOTE: In some Audi service Bulletins it says that they are interchangeable and/or they can be mixed. THIS IS A LIE. Audi does not know what they are talking about. The OEM Manufacturer warns against this on each OEM container. Audi re-packages these products for sale to their customers, but omits this strict warning from the original manufacturer. Audi went so far as to carry over the exact same part number "G 002 000" from the original CHF 7.1, to the newer CHF 11S, which has confused many and caused the destruction of countless hydraulic systems.

CAUTION: NEVER, NEVER MIX THE CHF 7.1 & CHF 11S. THE RESULTS CAN BE CATASTROPHIC!

The guy is probably out of date, oils have come on a lot since 1989, where synthetic PS oils widely available then in the auto industry(?).  The not mixing would have been more about not mixing with other standard hydraulic or PS oils available at the time, they would not have cared less what was available 32 years later as that would be well out of warranty and dealer resale periods.

 

Just follow the line, as I put before, and the hyperlink to it, Fuchs Titan took over Pentosin so ask them they will be the experts in the oils they produce, if they say it can not be mixed that is the end of it, strange though that if that is the case they do no not sell CHF 7.1 unless there was some dispute or contract with it that excluded it from the take over.

 

This is my FINAL WORD! No more discussion...ever!! 🤣 - Note: Fuchs Titan CHF 11S Hydraulic Fluid (Formerly Pentosin CHF 11S) shows specification VW G 002 000 on its can and is dyed green. - https://www.fuchs.com/pl/en/product/product/17246-titan-chf-11s/

 

I had all this proving the line of oil to the Ford type 9 gearbox as the oil chaps that rebuild the box insist on the use of a Ford oil that is no longer available and the specification had totally widen out over the decades or a Comma oil which would not be the highest level, I could give you details but I have already given my FINAL WORD! No more discussion...ever!! 🤣

 

No that is it, I am discussing it no more ...ever!! - That tells you a lot I would have thought - my FINAL WORD!

 

Edited 24 January, 20224 yr by nta16
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SKODA  FELICIA II (6U1)  1.3 (50 KW / 68 PS)

AUDI-VW TL 52 146

 

https://www.todos.gr/antallaktika/anartisi-axonon-vrachiones-elegchou-trochoi/ladia/skoda/felicia-ii-6u1/1-3-11193

 

https://kritosparts.gr/Code/G 002 000

 

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/search.aspx?search=G 002 000

 

All of them are given as Synthetics and in Green colour.

A bottle (1 litre) is enough to do the job?

 

Asking a company here for a product as Oil for example for an old car as Felicia there is no guarantee that they will answer (as some US companies-shops do immediately) so we are trying to learn more by intersection of information between pdf from the manufacturer-forums etc.

Where possible I prefer to phone and speak with a person as I have such great charm (and modesty) I can get passed the marketing speak and get honest information and opinions, plus it saves me having to ask more questions from the replies I do not understand.  I have found that even oil companies employ people and they are no different to other people.

 

Often though it might be you are better to email, though these are easier to get lost or ignored particularly by large companies such as Bosch as one example from my experience.

 

You have put up a link that includes Fuchs Titan CHF 11S Hydraulic Fluid (Formerly Pentosin CHF 11S) VW G 002 000 specification. to Opie Oils, they would be a good place to email as they are happy to deal with enquires and certainly used to, I do not know if they still do, answer questions in threads of car forum sites, possibly I might have seen evidence of such here.

 

Opie Oils - Sales & General Enquiries: [email protected] - 01209 202944 - Sales & Advice Hotline - Monday to Friday: 8:30am to 5:30pm - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/t-find-opie-oils.aspx

 

For capacity you would need to check but 2 litres for a good flush seems about fine I would have thought.

 

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

 

For capacity you would need to check but 2 litres for a good flush seems about fine I would have thought.

 

 

 

I can not phone to a foreign company and ask for technical details for a product, my english are not good and soon or latter the communication will ''stuck".

 

https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/2451781-liqui-moly-power-steering-oil

 

Oil - manufacturer recommendation: VW G 002 000

 

If the capacity is 1 litre for sure i will buy 2 because a completely flush must be done so almost none of the old oil must stay inside.

(Fuchs is a German company) but you can email, your English is certainly good enough to contact Opie Oils by email, in fact you have to for Fuchs Technical Data Sheets (I had forgotten that). - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/t-product-information-request.aspx

 

The Opie Oils search for G 002 00 misses Febi Bilstein 06162 Central Hydraulic And Power Steering Fluid - Green (CHF 7.1) (mineral?). - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-180272-febi-bilstein-06162-central-hydraulic-and-power-steering-fluid-green-chf-71.aspx

 

Also at Opie Oils Febi Bilstein 06161 Hydraulic / Suspension / Power Steering Fluid (synthetic). - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-180271-febi-bilstein-06161-hydraulic-suspension-power-steering-fluid.aspx

 

Have you ever use Power Steering Stop Leak products?

Some of them say that except stop leaking they protect the O-rings, protect from wear, make the pump work easier etc.

Personally I never have, the only classic I have ever owned with power steering were renown for leaking at the steering box practically from new if not new.

 

Our friend Scotty says polymers are good for helping (rubber?) seals.

 

I would have thought wear would also be from contaminated fluid too which is why flushing out and renewing fluid would be good, of course if the fluid is left in too long and there is too much contamination and wear on seals then it might be the contamination of bits that stops the seals from leaking more than they already do.  You could perhaps decide this from the sediment at the bottom.  If things look too bad you can decide, whether to replace or recondition the the unit if possible ,or just put the old fluid with bits back in the unit.

 

@D.FYLAKTOS I had a thought (this is a rare occurrence) you would need to check any Stop Leak product you use is compatible with the particular power steering fluid you use.

 

I had a quick look at (only) one product only as an example but they do not give any real details of the product, in this case it was Blue Devil Power Steering Stop Leak, I do not have a clue whether it, or others, are any good but you might need to keep topping them up if you have a bad leak. - https://gobdp.com/product/power-steering-stop-leak-00232/

 

 

35 minutes ago, nta16 said:

if you have a bad leak

 

To be honest in 22 years only one time i just add a quantity of Pentosin CHF 7.1 from a spare can in the reservoir.

I heard for some days a noise like ''grrrng" every time i was full turning the steering wheel and when i opened the cap i saw that some mineral oil was missing.

Nor me or the mechanic has seen some ''suspicious" and after all these years i want to change the fluid and as a precaution i had the thought to add some of that ''Power Steering Stop Leak" but first i think i have to make a thorough visual test by lifting the car to see if there is a leak first and then decide if it's properly to change the whole fluid with a synthetic one.

I have some spare CHF 7.1 but after all these years would have moisture on it? (hygroscopicity).

Now as you've seen I am not a mechanic or expert in anything so this is only my impression from what I've gleamed.

 

CHF 7.1 seems to be a mineral oil with an additive package that includes ZDDP (ZDDP the wonder ingredient to old-farts that own "classic" over-priced, over-valued old cars).  There was a suggestion that the ZDDP might not float well in other PS fluids, I have no idea as ZDDP would be only one element of a package and all have to interact.  'Synthetic' engines oils can contain ZDDP as the one I use does.

 

I very much doubt if CHF 7.1 is hygroscopic as a mineral oil and I doubt any of its additives would be either but I know nothing of chemistry.  You could try mixing exacts amounts of CHF 7.1 with water and see if they exactly separate out to the exact amounts but over how long, 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes/years.

 

It is suggested it is a slow evaporative I do not know how hot the steering pump and reservoir would get from their position in the engine bay but if  you have any rubber hoses in the system perhaps they could also leach but if you have only done one small top up in all the years of use I doubt you have any leaks worth worrying about.  If you marked your spare CHF 7.1 you may be able to confirm evaporation, also if the container has any water on the sides or bottom of the CHF 7.1 it might give you another clue to hygroscopicity.

 

Additive packages may separate from the oil given enough time so your container of CHF 7.1 may need a good shake before use, whether the additives deteriorate with age and/or lack of use I have no idea.

 

I have attached a PDF sheet from June 2007 update release which you may already have and tells nothing new I am afraid.

 

Pentosin CHF 7-1_V1_GB_.pdf

12 hours ago, nta16 said:

I do not know how hot the steering pump and reservoir would get from their position in the engine bay

 

In Felicia the reservoir is high and behind the front grill beside the water reservoir for the wind shield ejectors, away from exhaust manifold and no leak is visible around it or in the hoses.

 

Quote

Pentosin CHF 7.1 is due to the additive employed not miscible with modern high performance hydraulic fluids like Pentosin CHF 11S !!

If fluid change has to happen please refer to previously used original fluid, otherwise damages may occur

 

The company's pdf does not leave an option for a completely flush and replace with a synthetic as CHF 11S or other brand.

CHF 11S covers the VW TL 52 146 (G 002 000) of the CHF 7.1.

I have a can with CHF 7.1 amount on it but i can not compromise with that direction ''this Mineral or nothing", it's not brake fluid that is forbidden to use DOT 5 if the manufacturer says DOT 4 or DOT 5.1

 

I know that you are not a mechanic, GR is not USA so we don't sue or blame someone if something goes wrong by a decision of us. 😉

 

What performance properties are important?
To appreciate the differences in hydraulic oils, it helps to understand what performance properties are important. Hydraulic oil needs to last a long time (meaning extended oxidation life) and protect equipment by providing anti-wear properties while preventing rust and corrosion.

Most hydraulic oils are designed to have good demulsibility properties. This means they separate water quickly so it can be drained from the sump, which is important because water doesn’t lubricate as well as oil. Also, hydraulic oils should resist varnish formation, which can result in sticking servovalves. The fluid’s ability to release air quickly is important so pumps are protected from cavitation, where air in the oil is released and then redissolved, generating heat that can damage pumps.

 

What goes into hydraulic oil and how can formulations vary?
A typical non-viscosity modified hydraulic oil will be formulated with 99% base oil and 1% additive. There are a number of high-quality base oils available today. There also are some lower quality, low-cost base oils that find their way into hydraulic oil formulations. These base oils can cause significant performance problems, including emulsification of water, which can increase pump wear, corrosion, and poor filtration. Fluids formulated with poor base oils also may have a shorter effective life, resulting in more frequent oil drains. It is important for end users to ask their lubricant suppliers about the base oil in their fluid and its impact on performance properties such as oxidation life, water separation, filtration, and anti-wear.

 

https://www.powermotiontech.com/technologies/hydraulic-fluids/article/21880514/are-all-mineralbased-hydraulic-oils-the-same

 

Audi forums say they stopped using mineral years ago, and it been replaced with Synthetic under the same part number. Others say G004000 M2 is just a replacement part number for G002000.
Some say the synthetic is backward compatible and can be mixed with the mineral, the label on the bottle says the opposite.

______________

 

Ignore the quoted warning! It has been valid at the time of manufacture, but has become obsolete since. G 002 000 has been phased out and been superseded by G 004 000, which I think is semi-synthetic/synthetic anyway. Febi 06161 is a correct fluid, but if you can't get that, any other fluid from a reputable manufacturer that claims to meet the G 002 000 and G 004 000 specs should be good.
I personally used Febi 06161 in my car that has the same G 002 000 warning label on it, and no problem so far.

 

https://www.clubtouareg.com/threads/use-only-mineral-hydraulic-fluid-g002000.292052/

 

Looks like this can replace the Pentosin CHF 7.1

 

 

Description

This is a green mineral based hydraulic fluid equivalent to G-002-000 and G-004-000-M2. If in doubt, please check in your vehicle handbook for specification requirements before use.

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Looks like this can replace the Pentosin CHF 7.1

I am not sure about (I can not find information on it).

 

Febi 06162 that I linked to before at Opie Oils IS mineral oil plus the price of £9.50 ties up. - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-180272-febi-bilstein-06162-central-hydraulic-and-power-steering-fluid-green-chf-71.aspx

 

If you hover your cursor over the small photo of the bottle on this page it will magnify the image and you can read this in various languages. - https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en/article/febi/06162

 

NOTE: Febi Bilstein Parts Finder only list 06162 as with BMW, this is the problems with databases, but they have "General Service Number - CHF 7.1 | Pentosin CHF 7.1"  

 

By the way, the Febi 06162 Safty Data Sheet (15-01-2021) has "Solubility in water - immiscible". -  https://cdn.partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/pf-document/CLP06162_GB.PDF

 

As Opie Oils only has three 06162 in stock my guess is this is because it is old stock being used up as it may no longer be available from who ever Febi Bilstein get it from - and on Bilstein Group Partsfinder I could also not find M 6162 but that may be because it is not for automotive use.  Look up your car here, I tried look but I do not know what engine code you have. - https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/

 

Most 'synthetic' oils are just mineral oils improved a bit so I am not sure that changing to 'synthetic' would  give any difference other that an improvement in the oil quality but you will want to chase this down and the only way you will be near satisfied is to contact Fuchs.

 

Edited 26 January, 20224 yr by nta16
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1 hour ago, nta16 said:

Look up your car here, I tried look but I do not know what engine code you have. - https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/

 

 

Hydraulic oil for central hydraulic system, power steering and height adjustment

https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/el/search/make/Škoda/model/Felicia 1994 - 2001/vehicle/1.3 MPI - 50 kW | 68 hp/article-group/Χημικά προιόντα?sortby=rel&sortdir=asc&f=15

For my car they suggest Febi and SWAG 46161 as ''new edition" BUT also the Febi and SWAG 06161 as ''old edition"

Isn't this a mess? 😲

 

Another car owner (different brand) had the same problem with me

Thread: Pentosin Flush (7.1 Discontinued) - Is Febi Bilstein 06162 MIXABLE with 7.1?

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2126419-Pentosin-Flush-(7-1-Discontinued)-Is-Febi-Bilstein-06162-MIXABLE-with-7-1

Thus, I need an hydraulic fluid that is fully compatible and mixable with the discontinued 7.1, and that can be repeatedly mixed during the partial flush exercise described above.
This Febi Bilstein 06162 product ..... may indeed be it, but I want to be sure it is MIXABLE before proceeding.
Do any of you know if the Febi Bilstein 06162 product is - over and above being a replacement for 7.1 - also compatible and mixable with the old 7.1?

 

Take a look at one of his posts:

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2126419-Pentosin-Flush-(7-1-Discontinued)-Is-Febi-Bilstein-06162-MIXABLE-with-7-1&p=27900911#post27900911

In the meantime, I sent an email to the Managing Director of Febi's North American operations (his contact info was on their site), and append the correspondence below for the future reference of the group.

 

Answer: febi 06162 is absolutely compatible with CHF 7.1 from Pentosin. It can be mixed with CHF 7.1 or can replace it in all applications.

 

I think we have a winner! ✔️

 

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

Most 'synthetic' oils are just mineral oils improved a bit so I am not sure that changing to 'synthetic' would  give any difference other that an improvement in the oil quality

 

Yes that's why they invented terms as ''synthetic technology" or ''synthesised" or ''technosynthese" or ''synthetic blend" etc.

The manufactures oil is in my car's system from 1999 and we have 2022, i think even if i put the same or replace it with another similar oil will do only good.

 

 

 

 

 

I have just spoken with Mark from Fuchs UK (sounded like he was working from home) he told me they never carried across Pentosin CHF 7.1 so he has no data on it and has not sold it all the time he's worked there.  He said mixing of additives might cause foaming but looking up 2000 Felicia 1.3 MPI (AMH) on the database gives CHF 11S .  He said about flushing all the old out.

 

https://fuchs-eu.lubricantadvisor.com/advice.aspx?lang=eng&country=gb&type=a8187c2b31540d9bae842be3b07a74cc

 

If you want the old style mineral get the Febi 06162 from Opie Oils (they only have 3 in stock) or from elsewhere then you have no concern, what you loose in postage you gain in lower cost compared with 'synthetic'.

 

Fuchs is the direct line but that means nothing really.

 

You can email or phone a person in Febi that deals with your area, Thanassis Andreadis, Regional Sales Manager, see link on page, how much he would know about oil I do not know, I would guess they might buy. - https://www.febi.com/en/contact/contact-persons/

 

Me personally I would use the 'synthetic' from my usual oil brand (Millers Oils) but I do not think they sell in Greece - but it is not my car that I have owned for decades.

 

 

28 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Yes that's why they invented terms as ''synthetic technology" or ''synthesised" or ''technosynthese" or ''synthetic blend" etc.

The manufactures oil is in my car's system from 1999 and we have 2022, i think even if i put the same or replace it with another similar oil will do only good.

Those are just different marketing names really, same as using the description 'synthetic', if you have a look back at Mobil loosing their battle for the term but I think IIRC Amsoil claim to be first for, there again Scotty says the only real one is a by-product from the middle east.

 

The thing is a good oil is a good oil regardless of its marketing or description and a better oil is a better oil, I like the extra margins of use, abuse and component failures and better performing and slower deterioration when hot and cold because I have an old British sports(-ish) car that I like to drive as it would have been driven when it was new.

 

As I try to point out to the old-farts that own old cars like mine even if they buy say an engine oil with the same brand and name now as in the 1960s it will not be the same oil it will be a different blend and additives package, but it will be better than in the 60s, but oils have changed and improved a lot since the 60s so a modern 'synthetic' oil suitable for the car will be even better normally.

 

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

He said about flushing all the old out.

 

That is the proper procedure.

 

Febi Bilstein 06162 (mineral) can be found here in Greece:

 

https://www.todos.gr/febi-bilstein-ydrayl-ladi-06162#product-related

 

https://megaparts.gr/Part/FEBI-LADI-YDRAYLIKOY-SYST-ANARTISIS-PR-06162/e10106162

 

According to FUCHS advisor for my car i can use engine oil SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 or 0W-40 or 5W-40 😵  but i have never heard a Greek driver to use it in his Felicia or a mechanic to suggest it or i have never read it in a Skoda forum.

Edited 26 January, 20224 yr by D.FYLAKTOS

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Febi Bilstein 06162 (mineral) can be found here in Greece:

And at lower price, so there is your answer, no worries about possible problems with mixing, you could buy 3 litres and give a very thorough flush and clean.

 

 

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

According to FUCHS advisor for my car i can use engine oil SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 or 0W-40 or 5W-40 😵  but i have never heard a Greek driver to use it in his Felicia or a mechanic to suggest it or i have never read it in a Skoda forum.

That is databases for you.

 

I think you like 10w-40, the following is the type of oil I would use in my road car if I was you, I use Millers classic high performance sports oil in my engine and a modern coemption oil  in my gearbox and rear axle.  I have done for a number of years, and it is a road only use car used in UK winters and summers. - https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-115229-millers-oils-cfs-10w40-fully-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

 

 

Edited 26 January, 20224 yr by nta16

3 hours ago, nta16 said:

my usual oil brand (Millers Oils) but I do not think they sell in Greece

 

They do although the local dealer does not promote them properly so everyone here thinks that are mainly for old British classic cars.

 

https://www.skroutz.gr/c/1228/Ladia-Autokinhtou/m/22964/Millers-Oils.html

 

https://farlekas-parts.gr/λαδια-τρακτερ-millers-oils/

 

As for Febi Bilstein 06162 tomorrow i will give a call to the dealer and i will check my car's hydraulic oil level (we had snow for 2 days and i couldn't).

I have clear mineral oil