The Grant is UK wide. 

 

 

Re the location of the green cabinets, are they not mostly located at junctions between roads on the corners, the sensible place for going off in 3 directions? That is certainly the case here in France and it was in the City of London.

 

Places where no-one parks and to do so would be very dangerous and against the law.

 

I suppose on a long straight residential road with no side turnings they must repeat at intervals.

11 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Re the location of the green cabinets, are they not mostly located at junctions between roads on the corners, the sensible place for going off in 3 directions? That is certainly the case here in France and it was in the City of London.

 

Places where no-one parks and to do so would be very dangerous and against the law.

 

I suppose on a long straight residential road with no side turnings they must repeat at intervals.

they could be anywhere but yes its not unusual for them to be near the junctions

They will  have been placed where they could serve the maximum of properties with the minimum cable lengths.

London might have 8.3 million people or whatever,  but charging BEV,s / PHEV,s need not be all about London.

 

The Green Cabinets are being trialled in Scotland and if the BT / Open Reach vans can charge at then and not hog ones the General Public need then good.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67873890

 

 

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So today we are told that the National Grid needs £58 Billion spending on the Transmission of Renewables.

The Cables from the North to the South and the pylons where the Pylons are required.

 

Obviously much objection from some in England that there needs to be big pylons to get the electricity to them.

Stuff the fact the big pylons are running from Aberdeenshire south to get the electricity to England when it is going overland. 

 

IMO Get them up where ever needed,  and have the end user 100,s of miles away pay the cost of transmission not everyone including those that do not even use the electricity from that source.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-68601354

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

It's astonishing some of the rises in standing charge, over 60p. 

Luckily, in greater London or south east is still at 40-odd pence. 

 

I agree cost of infrastructure upgrades should be built into per-kWh of electricity, not standing charge. Down here should be a noticeably more expensive than where renewables are located, up there. 

 

44 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The Green Cabinets are being trialled in Scotland and if the BT / Open Reach vans can charge at then and not hog ones the General Public need then good.

This makes so much sense. Why let the work van parked not doing anything? When it could be charging or even assisting the grid. 

 

Need to start thinking with the mentality that parked cars = wasted resource; plugged in cars = useful resource. 

Simples really.

If you can only Public Charge and only at expensive public charging then really a BEV is not for you.  'Just say no.'  Or just say no to ridiculous charging providers prices.

 

If a business users and maybe charging between cheap off peak and you have the Tax Breaks from the HMRC & the employer pays for charging for business use then maybe fill your boots.

 

If the bosses get Teslas and can use Super Chargers and go no place and you have to do loads of miles in a Non Tesla an have rubbish charging speeds ask them WTF they are on. 

 

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, Rooted said:

If you can only Public Charge and only at expensive public charging then really a BEV is not for you.

Sadly that means currently a BEV is not for the many millions of people who live in cities and have to park on the road - often nowhere near their own house, so any charging point they can access will be a public one.

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

Simples really.

If you can only Public Charge and only at expensive public charging then really a BEV is not for you.  'Just say no.'  Or just say no to ridiculous charging providers prices.

 

If a business users and maybe charging between cheap off peak and you have the Tax Breaks from the HMRC & the employer pays for charging for business use then maybe fill your boots.

 

If the bosses get Teslas and can use Super Chargers and go no place and you have to do loads of miles in a Non Tesla an have rubbish charging speeds ask them WTF they are on. 

 

 

The role out of the TESLA V4 superchargers should solve this as well as Supermarket roll out and other places charging from about 30p per KWh.

With electricity prices continuing to fall due to more renewable sources coming online competition and price are bound to fall. 

 

59p per kWh is comparable with petroleum prices I suppose though were as I nearly always get a full tank of gas when I charge the EV I only get what I need to get to a cheap charger, home o work etc. 

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Frankley, UK - Southbound

Supercharger

Illey Ln B32 4AR Birmingham England United KingdomDriving Directions

Tesla Support Number0162 845 0660

Charging
16 Superchargers up to 250kW, Available 24/7   CCS Compatibility

This Supercharger is Open to Tesla and Other EVs with CCS compatibility

Charging Fees for Other EVs Owner

12:00am - 4:00pm£0.59/kWh

4:00pm - 8:00pm£0.74/kWh

8:00pm - 12:00am£0.59/kWh Idle fees (up to)£1/min

 

 

Edited 1 April, 20242 yr by lol-lol

It is certainly silly if it is 79 pence at a charger (85 pence now at Instavolt) per kWh to put in 75 kWh if you do not need to go the maybe 200 plus miles until you cab charge cheaper. 

If you do need to then it is a ridiculous price.

 

As for getting in 75 kWh at home if you need to be at 100% or near before the next trip the 75 kWh x 23 pence is £17.25 & even if your Taycan only gets 2.5 miles a kWh and not 3 miles that is near 190 miles you are good for. 

 

Rolling out 50 kW or 100 kW DC chargers for 30 pence a kWh is not happening is it. 

 Even 30 pence for 11 kW AC chargers are not on the horizon are they? 

 

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Where there is plentiful renewables generating electricity. A Public Authority charging Loads of Money. 

(Very limited alternative Charging Providers and 'Much Cheapness' is not part of their mission.)

 

Edited 1 April, 20242 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, Rooted said:

It is certainly silly if it is 79 pence at a charger (85 pence now at Instavolt) per kWh to put in 75 kWh if you do not need to go the maybe 200 plus miles until you cab charge cheaper. 

If you do need to then it is a ridiculous price.

 

As for getting in 75 kWh at home if you need to be at 100% or near before the next trip the 75 kWh x 23 pence is £17.25 & even if your Taycan only gets 2.5 miles a kWh and not 3 miles that is near 190 miles you are good for. 

 

Rolling out 50 kW or 100 kW DC chargers for 30 pence a kWh is not happening is it. 

 Even 30 pence for 11 kW AC chargers are not on the horizon are they? 

 

............

Where there is plentiful renewables generating electricity. A Public Authority charging Loads of Money. 

(Very limited alternative Charging Providers and 'Much Cheapness' is not part of their mission.)

 

 

 

We are vey well off for chargers in Worcester with around 200 public charge points if one included the 26 at Worcester Parkway railway station and the price is 36p per kWh.

 

Soon-not-to-be PM Sunak was asked directly about making public chargers charge VAT at 5% rather than the current 20% ie in line with those than can home charge.   As per usual he did not even answer the question in any way, ignored it. At least he is true to form giving advantages to the well off rather than the less well off again, like the NI ate lowering next weekend.    

 

5p to 10p off most public charger rate would be very nice.  One local charger was charging 28p per kWh but it was oft ICE'd, it seemed to be fussy using their charging App too, this was at a community centre and there was only 1 post with two AC outlets.  DC outlets are all well over 50p per kWh but 22 kWh AC would suit Zoe owners.  Need both Frankley North and Strensham services to get the 24-30 Gridserve and TESLA charger banks and then a price war to start !!

  

Edited 1 April, 20242 yr by lol-lol

The thing is, it is not British Rail.  or Britain Wide run by anyone organisation. 

 

So as far as Railway Station parking, charging and long stay or not it is a post code lottery. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Rooted said:

 

 

 

Wonderful trip to my home town.

Be good when there are more TESLA V4 chargers to bring the cost down.

 

If your Public Charging is costing you 30 pence a kWh on a 7/11 kW AC charger then.

10 kWh is £3.00 and if you get 3.5 miles a kWh that is 35 miles.

 

If 40 pence, £4.00

50 pence is £5.00

60 Pence is £6.00

75 pence is £7.50.   etc.  easy to work out.   

 

So even if you get 4 miles a kWh and you are paying 65 pence a kWh at a PodPoint that is £6.50 for 40 miles worth of electricity. 

Not much there is there to have someone think this makes economic sense at current public charging prices to go EV for my daily around town and out and about private car public charging.

 

*Lots of miles for work*  Lovely, that will getting your miles paid for. 

& yet you like parking where the Hummer driver likes to park, and park all night charging to full.

That is the issue. 'I am a all right Jack' BEV business user,  I can  charge my big battery car on a 3.6 or 7 kW charger all night and stop someone that needs just enough charging for a few hours.  They might not have an employer paying that could have the car on an Ultra Rapid charger and even claim back the VAT.

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 April, 20242 yr by Ootohere

16 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

So even if you get 4 miles a kWh and you are paying 65 pence a kWh at a PodPoint that is £6.50 for 40 miles worth of electricity. 

 

 

 

 

WHich given current pump prices locally to me (.143 per l) and based on a fuel consumption of 40mpg is also £6.50 for 40 miles worth of petrol.

Hang on I need a rewind . Do people keep saying public charging points are extortionate or am I going mad?

Maybe compared to if you are fortunate enough to have home charging but it isn't feeling any more expensive than running a petrol car

65 pence at Podpoints is about the point it is OK if you get 4 miles a kWh.

 

If getting 3.1 as i do much of the last 5 months. that is 31 miles for £6.50  so not cheap. 

Coldest weather to the shops & even some longer runs only 2.7 miles a kWh. 

 

If you have to use BP Pulse and 69 pence or 79 pence without subscription, or Instavolt 85 pence then that is a different matter.

Lots of places are in the 55 pence to 85 pence a kWh now for just a 22 kw-50 kW charger.

 

My Local Authority is now 55 pence a kWh.

South Ayrshire is 37 pence but a minimum £5.   So a total PITA if you do not need 13.5 kWh maybe to just top up before travelling or you do not have the time and just want 15 minutes on a rapid charger and on your way. 

Edited 28 April, 20242 yr by Ootohere

This time. "56% of homes in the UK have a driveway."

The p!ss figures just keep getting rolled out without being substantiated.

Do even 56 % of properties people live in have access to a public road from the door?

Houses with roadside frontages no rear garden access, Terraced, Tenements, four in a block, multi-stories, home of multiple occupancy, Riverboats / Canal Boats end many other places people live without driveways is very likely more than half of homes in the UK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I think Mr EV did a good job demonstrating no home charging still works. Albiet charging is always on one's mind. 

 

Keeping in mind his is also worst case scenario, where they both work from home (no work place charging) and they are in a remote rural area with fewer public charging infrastructure. 

 

I think most people living in rural area will have the space for driveways. Not seen a lot of terraced house in rural area. 

Just now, wyx087 said:

 

I think most people living in rural area will have the space for driveways. Not seen a lot of terraced house in rural area. 

 

 

Really??!!  I think that's your south east home counties viewpoint showing there...   As there's lots of old terraced stone housing in rural villages north of Luton...

5 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I think Mr EV did a good job demonstrating no home charging still works. Albiet charging is always on one's mind. 

 

Keeping in mind his is also worst case scenario, where they both work from home (no work place charging) and they are in a remote rural area with fewer public charging infrastructure. 

 

I think most people living in rural area will have the space for driveways. Not seen a lot of terraced house in rural area. 

 

Some can get 3 phase and that would be great particularly for us Renault etc drivers who can use 22 kw AC 3 phase.

 

I really am amazed at where the agencies or politicians, Office of Statistics etc get their figures.

They do not even know how many people are in the UK, or you have disasters like Greenfell Tower and they do not know how many people lived there, or shared flats.

Google Earth, Electoral Roll and and stuff and Ai will find the actual number of accommodation / homes with driveways.

 

 Post Men and Woman will know best of all how many properties they get to a letter box by walking up a driveway, or driving up one. 

 

EDIT.

Added December. An old vid.

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

20 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I think most people living in rural area will have the space for driveways. Not seen a lot of terraced house in rural area. 

I think you have a very different perspective on this situation, Wyx.

There are a LOT of small terraced houses in Rural areas.

 

 

Tried Gridserve yesterday and only got 45 kW which would have been fine if I was in the Zoe but I was in the Scenic with the battery only one third charged. Got worried that i had the issue which some Scenics have reported of not going over 50 kws. Mind put mostly at rest this morning when popped into Ionity bank of chargers at Mayor S.Wales, despite having just over 50%  charge it went straight up to 80 kws and got 7 kwh very quickly. With prewarming and warmer times should see well over 100 kws from the right  chargers.

Happy Xmas and 2025 !!

 

Edited 26 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol