Evening all. I'm after some advice regarding the brakes on my 2021 Octavia Hatch 1.5TSI SE First Edition - 17 inch Alloys if anyone can help. 

 

I bought this Octavia from a main dealer, not local to home with 1,500 miles on the clock. Apart the usual infotainment problems everyone seems to be encountering, rattling boot and annoying glove box rattles the car had been OK. We have recently begun to notice the brakes juddering fed back through the steering wheel. In town at slow speed less noticeable. On faster roads seems to be getting worse and worse now. The car has still only cover 8,600 miles, Had the car in local main dealer who say the Discs are Blurring as if got excessively hot. All discs are warped. Basically seem to suggest that we've driven the car hard and therefore it's our fault. Brakes were only covered under warranty up to 6,000 miles and therefore they wouldn't replace them under warranty. My worry is I could change the discs tomorrow but I don't think I should have to and secondly will I have to do it again in another 8,000 miles, I bought this car thinking it would be cheaper to run. 

This car has not been driven hard during our ownership we don't tow anything with it and its not a taxi. No VAG car I've had before have ever needed the brakes changing with such low miles. This is the bit I need some help with... Do the following measurements (from the dealers health check) suggest what the issue maybe as I believe there is some mechanical issue that has caused the discs to warp already. Michelin tyres all round they all seem to be fine at the moment no uneven wear noted:

Front Pads - 10mm Remaining. 
Front Brake Discs - 24.7mm Discs Blurring as if got excessively hot
Rear Brake Pads/shoes - Rear Brake Pads 8mm Remaining

Rear Brake Disc / Drums - 9.8mm Discs Blurring as if got excessively hot

I'm supposed to be driving this car to France in a few weeks so I need to have it sorted. Raised it with Skoda UK and waiting for a response.

Cheers in advance

 

Rich 
 

Bent discs is not something you could expect to be covered under warranty. They were either bent before you bought it (but thats why you test drive it) or it happened while in you. It`s not required to drive super fast until they glow to have them bent - sometimes they may be hot enough to bend once you go through a pool of water where the rapid cool down would force irregularities on them. Unfortunately - your only bet is to buy new ones and have them replaced or, look for a metal turner - they can fix the discs for you and it would usually be one or two only.

Welcome to the forum.

 

If there was an issue between 1,500 & 6,500 miles / 6 months then that was when to report them. 

If the car is over 6 months then you still report to the seller ASAP who is the one that has sold a vehicle with issues. 

 

Not that it will make any difference, but was the car First Registered to VW / Skoda UK, VW Finance / a Dealership and a Demonstrator, Courtesy Car, Media car, 

driven by Management, Employees, anyone and everyone and never raced or rallied but maybe thrashed from new? 

 

This is an issue with Skoda Approved Used Cars / Ex Management. 

VW Group get tax breaks and then profit well from the sale of these Nearly New cars that really are over priced as little is done before sale.

Sometimes not even the oil level is checked or topped up before resale.

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by roottoot

So.  Are the discs going blue with heat ?    Do the discs actually need replacing or just servicing and possibly new brakes pads.     ?       OT, but, Have you got your Michelin tyres at a sensible pressure and not just as the car was handed over to you? And the tpms reset? 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by roottoot

Although they may disclaim any liability I think you have a good case here. Our VW Golf Alltrack wagon, which is a very similar VAG car, took 68,000kms over 4 years to go through its first set of front pads and required the disks to be changed with them. Total cost to us was $AUD 743. To go through the pads and rotors in under 14,000 kms indicates either very hard driving or some sort of failure in the parts.

 

We had a similar situation to yours with the battery in the Alltrack. It failed after 23 months. Although batteries are a maintenance item the VW dealer replaced it under warranty since it should not have failed that early.

 

 

F***wits cannot even stringa coherent sentence together.

 

I suggest they meant "blueing" and would also suggest the discs are anything but blue and the cause is not excessive heat but too gentle application of brakes which is to be commended but the modern pad materials dont like it.

 

Here is what I posted yesterday on this very subject:

 

 

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by J.R.

13 hours ago, Rich66 said:

Do the following measurements (from the dealers health check) suggest what the issue maybe as I believe there is some mechanical issue that has caused the discs to warp already.

They are meaningless, had they measured and reported the run out using a dial comparator it would have been worth something but thats well beyond the competence and comprehension of a modern dealer.

 

Your discs will not be warped, even they are not saying that, they say they are "blurred", tell them to go to Specsavers!

 

1st rule is to disbelieve everything they tell you, then you wont be going down blind alleys looking for imaginary  mechanical issues that cause disc warping, even my fertile imagination cannot dream up one that would have that effect.

Edited 28 June, 20223 yr by J.R.

Thanks for all your responses 👍

I bought an approved Mk4 that had belonged to Skoda UK last August with 9500 on the clock. I had it 2 days and took it on the motorway. Constant rumbling noise, juddering brakes and steering wheel vibration. It had to have front and rear discs replaced plus wheel bearings! Lucky the dealership replaced everything free of charge without complaint. Looks like it may be a common issue.

I have a similar car 1.5 DSG SE L from new and I feel the exact same thing with the brake judder. I drive more economically minded so I can not imagine that I have overheated and warped the discs.

 

I think the opposite as mentioned by @J.R. I don't drive that often too so a gradual build up of "stuff" maybe causing the issue.

 

I had the MK3 1.6 tdi DSG before I got this one and it still had original brakes on it when returned 4 years 75,000 miles no issues at all. 

 

 

Will try the Italian tune up / scrubbing the brakes as mentioned when I next get the chance. 

 

I don't think it a big issue for me as I had to do an emergency stop yesterday and it was fast and controlled deceleration.

 

@Rich66 I would dry scrubbing the brakes as its cost free and might solve the problem. If it doesn't and you feel you need to, then you can just get the parts replaced few weeks before your trip to allow time to bed them in nicely before heading to the faster roads in France.

 

Does the Auto hold potentially cause the issue? Coming to a quick stop at a traffic light and the brakes held on may cause uneven cooling around the disc? Though I expect only the rear discs to work on the Auto hold, not all 4....

 

11 minutes ago, lickspeed50 said:

 

Does the Auto hold potentially cause the issue? Coming to a quick stop at a traffic light and the brakes held on may cause uneven cooling around the disc? Though I expect only the rear discs to work on the Auto hold, not all 4....

 

Autohold applies all 4 brakes, same as using foot brake.

Can’t say I’ve seen many posts on here implying that this causes any widespread problems though. 
I agree not using the brakes or using lightly maybe exacerbates the problem.

I have seen posts and vehicles with disc issues where a car being 'roasted / thrashed with lots of braking and then stopping and the foot brake, parking / e brake being applied causing an issue.

Also similar driving then driving through a ford.   But very Spirited driving can cause many issues.

 

Italian Tuning is the car salespersons way and also the Tech / Fitters way of cleaning up cars brakes.

No real harm done as long as you warm the car / engine up then boot it. 

(Sadly not always the Car Salespersons way when there are a few cars sitting on the lot which are washed daily and the discs are red with rust.)

 

The thing with Auto hold is that there is a light application of the brakes and unless the car moves just enough pressure. 

All Resolved - Thanks for the responses. Skoda UK provided a contribution which just about covered the cost of replacement front discs and pads. Seems to have resolved things for now. Be Interesting to see if this set get more than 10k miles!