According to Skoda my spare wheel is a Space saver despite being 195/55 R15 on a steel wheel. The wheels on the car are 205/45 R16 on alloys. There is nothing on the pressure chart on the filler cap about spare tyre pressure but according to the Haynes manual the pressure for a Space saver spare should be 4.2 bar, 61 psi. Is this figure correct?

No  total Rubbish.  You do not have a Space Saver. 

What you have as a spare is what some Fabia come with as a standard size on the car, or are the size suited to using if you need snow chains on the car.

 

You have a Full Size spare a different size from the cars tyres.  A  spare to save space.  Put the spare at no more than 40 psi and if you need when on the car let it down a few psi.   ? Do you have the TPMS on your car. When you put the spare on it needed then reset it.    PS. Skoda / VW,s first language is not English.  So remember much is lost in translation and just them calling things what they are not. 

 

Love this one.  Mr 'start a fight in an empty house' is happy that anyone does what ever they fancy and nae bother to him. 

Must have some Fifers in the family.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/502286-spare-wheel-psi

 

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20233 yr by toot

31 minutes ago, toot said:

No  total Rubbish.  You do not have a Space Saver. 

 

Thanks. That is what I thought. I stuck 40 psi in it when I had it out the other week but when I got the VIN decoded it said Space saver and with it having the yellow stickers on it I thought I had better make sure.

And what's wrong with Fifers? I am a Fifer, born and bred. 🙂

You may want to try these values seen at the bottom of this page.

 

3 hours ago, Jocko said:

my spare wheel is a Space saver despite being 195/55 R15 on a steel wheel.

No it isn't. It is a different size though, hence the speed restriction. As for pressure, I'd set the 3 bar from page 104 in the manual; you can let it down a bit easier than you can pump 0.7 bar in.

The VIN decoder says 1G1     Space-saving spare wheel. Perhaps the car came out of the factory with a Space saver and a later owner has replaced it. It certainly didn't look like any Space saver I have ever seen. 

I'll leave it at 40 psi as I carry an electric pump with me.

I have also purchased an extension braided pipe that will allow me to check and adjust the spare tyre pressure without having to lift the wheel and tyre out. It just threads through the wheel.

 

It is not complicated.

The 15" Steel wheel as Skoda UK Fabia came with have been called a Space Saver. Those are supplied for cars with OE 15, 16 or 17" wheels.

 

I have never seen a SKINNY Space Saver for a Fabia.  Maybe others have.  I have seen the for Octavias & Superbs. 

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20233 yr by toot

12 minutes ago, Jocko said:

The VIN decoder says 1G1     Space-saving spare wheel. Perhaps the car came out of the factory with a Space saver and a later owner has replaced it. It certainly didn't look like any Space saver I have ever seen. 

I'll leave it at 40 psi as I carry an electric pump with me.

I have also purchased an extension braided pipe that will allow me to check and adjust the spare tyre pressure without having to lift the wheel and tyre out. It just threads through the wheel.

 

Look close again at this image from the parts catalog.

You will see PR Code 1G1 (1G2 also)

Along with dimensions, it's not your typical skinny space saver that needs 60 ish PSI.

 

15 minutes ago, toot said:

I have never seen a SKINNY Space Saver for a Fabia.

You are spot on, there is no skinny space saver, the PR code of 1G1 though correct, the text is misleading in this instance as I wouldn't call a 5J width a space saver.

 

If you look at the much newer model Fabia's there does exist a PR code of 1G9 that is a skinny little 3.5J

5 hours ago, varooom said:

 

Look close again at this image from the parts catalog.

You will see PR Code 1G1 (1G2 also)

 

Thanks. I see that now. At the time I was looking at that image I did not have the list of option codes so 1G1 meant nothing to me. It does now.

it is a Dunlop tyre that is on the rim. I must assume it is the original. next time I have it out I will check the date code.

 

As an aside, the spare tyre on my Jazz was unused (still had the pips on the moulding) and I contacted Bridgestone to see if I should change it. This is the reply I received.

 

“Thanks for your mail, which has been passed to me for reply.

For this space saver tyre, if the tyre has been stored in good condition and is displaying no signs of ageing then it should still be suitable for emergency use. However I would stress that space saver tyres are a temporary mobility solution and if used, should be changed for a full sized tyre as soon as possible, driving for a maximum of 50 miles at 50mph.

As with any natural product, rubber does age and will become more susceptible to cracking as it does. The rate of ageing depends on how the tyre is stored and what it is exposed to. We cannot offer an official cut-off point at which a tyre should not be put into service but based on my own knowledge I would recommend changing a tyre of this type once it is 10 years from date of manufacture.

I hope this helps, and if you need any more info, let me know.

Best regards
Pete

Peter Moulding
Lead Field Engineer
Bridgestone UK Ltd”
 

There's a 3.5Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel space saver rim listed for the 2010-2014 VW Polo MK5 and 2011-2014 Audi A1 that could be used with a range of space saver tyres including 125/70R16, 125/90R16, 135/70R16, 135/90R16 space saver tyre.

 

The 125/70R16 and 135/70R16 have an outside diameter similar to Fabia MK1 and Fabia MK2 sized tyres. The 125/90R16 has an outside diameter similar to Scala sized tyres. The 135/90R16 has an outside diameter similar to Kamiq sized tyres.

 

6R0601027J 3.5Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel space saver rim (from 2010-2015 VW Polo and 2011-2014 Audi A1)

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/PO/672/6/601/601012

 

Outside diameter of tyres

125/70R16 581.4mm

125/90R16 631.4mm

135/70R16 595.4mm

135/90R16 649.4mm

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m127b0s0p0/Temporary_Spare_Tyres_-_Space_Saver_Tyres_-_16_inch

 

Edited 20 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

^^^ Did any get put in the Spare Tyre well of Fabia that were brought into and sold in the UK though? 

The spare tyre well can take a 215/40 R 70 oe 205/45 R 17 tyre on a 7" rim and the boot floor still sits flat. 

The bigger the wheel and tyre in the spare wheel well the better, it's part of the rear crumple zone and adds a lot of strength in the event of a hard rear impact.

^^^^Genius.suggestion. 

Fit a roll cage and strengthening.  Simply Clever,

they design in a 'Crumple Zone'  but you want to modify that.

 

Those idiots at VW Group fitted Spare Wheels as standard in a Mk 2 Fabia vRS Estate or Hatch but made them an Option in the Polo GTI or Ibiza Cupra and put the battery in the boot of the Polo GTI. 

As well as 6R0601027J from the VW Polo MK5 and Audi A1 there's also 6R0601027Q from the Skoda Rapid and Seat Toledo with the same 3.5Jx16 ET38 specification.

 

6R0601027Q Steel rim 3.5Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel rim with 125/70R16 space saver tyre

Edited 20 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

17 hours ago, varooom said:

You are spot on, there is no skinny space saver, the PR code of 1G1 though correct, the text is misleading in this instance as I wouldn't call a 5J width a space saver.

 

If you look at the much newer model Fabia's there does exist a PR code of 1G9 that is a skinny little 3.5J

 

That's a 3.5Jx18 ET38 5/100 57.1 space saver from the VW Golf MK4 with OEM part number 1J0601027M.

 

It's also used on some other VAG cars such as the Skoda Scala and Skoda Kamiq.

 

Outside diameter of tyres

125/80R16 606.4mm

125/90R16 631.4mm

125/60R18 607.2mm

125/70R18 632.2mm

 

Edited 20 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

5 minutes ago, Carlston said:

That's a 3.5Jx18 ET38 5/100 57.1 space saver from the VW Golf MK4 with OEM part number 1J0601027M. It's also used on some other VAG cars such as the Skoda Scala and Skoda Kamiq, but it's not suitable for the Fabia MK1/2/3 because a 125/70R18 tyre has an outside diameter similar to 195/65R15, 205/55R16, 225/45R17, etc.

For a Fabia iV [PJ] (hence why I said newer Fabia's)

 

If it's in the catalog, it's probably an option in some Country.

25 minutes ago, varooom said:

For a Fabia MK4, hence why I said newer Fabias.

 

Yes, but because 3.5Jx18 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel space saver rims with OEM part number 1J0601027M have been around for a long time, ie. since Golf MK4, they are common and cheap so it's possible to pick them up on ebay for around £60.

 

However, I'm not sure why anyone would want one if there's room for a full-size spare.

 

Edited 20 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

@Carlston You did orginally put "but it's not suitable for the Fabia MK1/2/3" which you have now deleted, but that's why I posted to say that I never said it was suitable for those.

 

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40 minutes ago, varooom said:

For a Fabia iV [PJ] (hence why I said newer Fabia's)

 

 

Anyhow, Skoda have decided to give the same wheel a new part number to no doubt throw off people wishing to purchase off eBay as they probably won't find it.  The fact is you/me will be able to look at a parts catalog and see that the same size wheel is available on eBay under a different part number as you have posted.

 

The thread might be getting a bit derailed now, so I won't post more here.

29 minutes ago, varooom said:

@Carlston You did originally put "but it's not suitable for the Fabia MK1/2/3" which you have now deleted, but that's why I posted to say that I never said it was suitable for those.

 

I edited "but it's not suitable for the Fabia MK1/2/3" because that was with a 125/70R18 tyre size that the 3.5Jx18 ET38 5/100 57.1 space saver rim normally comes with, and not that the rim is unsuitable for the Fabia MK1/2/3 if used with a suitable tyre size such as 125/60R18.

 

However, a 125/60R18 appears to be rather expensive and has even less sidewall than a 225/35R19.

 

Edited 20 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Jocko, thanks to  UP now know - 1G9 (?RER?) is 'Space-saving spare wheel for temporary use, radial tire (5-hole)'.

 

What are (all) the wordings and markings on your spare tyre as this will help perhaps to decide the matter, IIRC the few (ridiculously thinner) space saver tyres I've had all had 'Inflate to . . . ' on them.

 

I'd sooner (did always) carry a manual footpump than the wheezy plug-in inflates that often burn themselves out and/or blow a car fuse given some real work to do or user neglecting the instructions for them.  The one VWSkoda provided in my wife's Mk3 is particularly noisy and weedy and I think the gauge on it is about as accurate as my pronunciation and spelling.

 

Edited 22 January, 20233 yr by nta16
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28 minutes ago, nta16 said:

What are (all) the wordings and markings on your spare tyre

It is a Dunlop SP Sport 195/55 R1. Just a standard asymmetric tyre on a steel rim. The only difference with the rim is it has the yellow 50 mph/80kph stickers on it.

I was trying to discern what the date on it was but I had already refitted it in the wheel well and could see no markings so perhaps the date is only moulded on the outside of the tyre.

I connected up my extension braided hose so I will no longer have to lift it out to check and adjust the pressure (set it to 230kPa/33.5psi).

The maximum pressure it can take is 51 psi so if I had inflated it to 61 psi as the Haynes manual recommended I might not be here now.

The spare wheel well was bone dry but I drilled a couple of small holes through the lowest plastic bung just in case.

I use an electric pump but it has its own battery. I have checked the gauge against my RACE X RX0014 Tyre Pressure Gauge and the are both within 0.5psi of each other.

 

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Dunlop SP Sport 195/55 R1 sounds like a standard tyre.  A 15" wheel is oversized to the vehicle to me so to have one and tyre that can only be used as an emergency spare would be another annoyance to me, my wife's previous car had a steel wheel of the same size as the four alloys fitted but the tyre was IIRC one ratio shorter so it fitted in the spare wheel well even more annoying.   

 

You probably already know Haynes can have errors and omissions in their manuals, I'd normally go on the Driver's Handbooks instead but VW(Skoda) Owner's Manuals are not always the best written and don't contain things like tyre pressure and oil weights and capacities info most others I've seen do.

 

The DoT manufactured dates are often on the other side it's another example of Sod's Law.

 

You seem well set up in the tyre inflation and pressure checking departments.

 

The road wheels are shod with 205/45 R16 so there is less than a 1% difference in rolling circumference between them and the spare.

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Yeap good for some of the car's computer systems but not any good for full use of the wheel and tyre in rotation of the wheels on the car to get use of five wheels and tyres rather than four and possibly the one in the boot never used.

 

Take no notice of me I think the now decades old fashion for bigger and wider wheels and low profile tyres is just that particularly on family runabout type cars and motorised shopping trollies but I know I'm in a tiny minority, as always it's each to there own. 🙂