I have 2016 model 1.2 tsi fabia. I want change engine oil. 
 

Which one do you think I should use as engine oil?
1) MOTUL SPECIFIC 504 00 507 00 0W-30
2) MOTUL SPECIFIC 504 00 507 00 5W-30
3) Petronas Syntium 5000 AV 5W-30

You need to use Motul 5W-30 but it must be 100% synthetic and I cannot say because I am not familiar with Motul.

6 hours ago, iirfansk25 said:

I have 2016 model 1.2 tsi fabia. I want change engine oil. 

You use different oil depending on if you are on Fixed ( Normal ) or Variable ( Flexible ) Servicing regime.

 

See Here:-

https://www.commaoil.com/products/results/91098390

 

 

6 hours ago, iirfansk25 said:

504 00 507 00

Would indicate you are on a Variable ( Flexible ) Servicing regime.

 

Or use

VW standard 502 00 and VW standard 505 00 

If you are on Fixed ( Normal ) Servicing regime.

 

 

Thanks. AG Falco

Let's be clear VW 504 00/507 00 can be used if on fixed or variable servicing with a TSI and VW 502 can be used only if on a fixed service regime.     With a TDI only VW 504 / 507 can be used even if on fixed.   Long life oil. Low SAP etc.     Then later we have SKODA VW using with cars pre WLTP and when the GPF,s are fitted to VW 508 00 / 509 so 0w 20 FS IV.  Not relevant for 2016 though. 

I do not think these even appeared anyplace from Skoda before 2018. 

If they did it was not anyplace obvious to find. 

On 18/03/2023 at 17:05, AGFalco said:

You use different oil depending on if you are on Fixed ( Normal ) or Variable ( Flexible ) Servicing regime.

Wrong.  From 2006, Volkswagen AG mandated that ONLY 504.00/507.00 be used, irrespective of service regime.  This was applicable to nigh-on all models from all marques/brands (with the exception of two or three very specific models).

 

Furthermore, the 504.00/507.00 specification is backwards compatible with all their former oil specifications.

 

On 18/03/2023 at 17:05, AGFalco said:

See Here:-

https://www.commaoil.com/products/results/91098390

Comma Oils are utter shyte products.  They should be banned!

 

On 18/03/2023 at 17:05, AGFalco said:

VW standard 502 00 and VW standard 505 00 

If you are on Fixed ( Normal ) Servicing regime.

 

502.00 is different from 505.00

I know what type to use. I wanted to tell you which brand should I choose, PETRONAS or MOTUL?

@Black_Thunder

Fabia Mk2 from 2010 so facelift and there were still the engine code for Fixed Servicing only  VW 502 00 could be used for Fixed Servicng with TSI's and MPIs, 

and it still can be right up to now, Euro 6 / 2023. 

 

COMMA oils come in all kind of Specs and they produce oil for other international brands. 

Nothing wrong with the correct oil to the correct spec from COMMA, unless someone has proof otherwise.  Something they will produce not just an opinion. 

 

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by toot

25 minutes ago, iirfansk25 said:

I know what type to use. I wanted to tell you which brand should I choose, PETRONAS or MOTUL?

Castrol is the commercial partner who co-create and develop all Volkswagen Group engine oils.  So Castrol Edge will be the best option.

 

Motul are a fantastic oil company, and so are Petronas.

 

Choose any reputable brand, but avoid cheaper brands, and avoid Mobil (because most American oil companies prefer to use much cheaper Group 3 base-stocks, which are not 'true' synthetics).  Group 4 (PAO) or Group 5 (esters) are the only genuine fully synthetic base-stocks!

Fuchs Oils are the supplier to TPS in the UK and the partner with VW Group and the produces of Quantum oils.

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by toot

2 minutes ago, toot said:

@Black_Thunder

Fabia Mk2 from 2010 so facelift and there were still the engine code for Fixed Servicing only  VW 502 00 could be used for Fixed Servicng with TSI's and MPIs, 

and it still can be right up to now, Euro 6 / 2023. 

 

COMMA oils come in all kind of Specs and they produce oil for other international brands. 

Nothing wrong with the correct oil to the correct spec from COMMA, unless someone has proof otherwise.  Something they will produce not just an opinion. 

You are confusing between what the individual specifications were that were 'available'.  However, Volkswagen AG gave Europe-wide instructions that ONLY LongLife 3 specification oils should be used - ie 504.00/507.00.  They notified all authorised main dealers, and updated ETKA to reflect that only 504.00 or 507.00 should be used.

 

As for Comma Oils - they repeatedly LIE about MANY of their OEM approvals.  erWin and BeVo from Mercedes Benz will give categoric detail about which oils have been officially tested to meet their own relevant standards.

Nonsense,   Where are you getting your duff gen?   VW502 00 is the spec correct for TSI's / MPI's from when they were produced and if you want to use for Fixed Service Intervals.

5w 40 FS.     

If you have your links to your Volkswagen stuff on only 5w 30 FS III or 0w 30 FS III so VW 504 00 / 507 00 then good.

 

TDI's require VW507 00 for fixed or variable servicing.   Long Life.

4 minutes ago, toot said:

Fusch Oils are the supplier to TPS in the UK and the partner with VW Group and the produces of Quantum oils.

Fuchs is a current commercial arrangement solely between Volkswagen Group UNITED KINGDOM.

 

Previously, Castrol made all the Quantum products.  The reason VW UK changed to Quantum is simply because VW UK wanted to expand their TPS operation to cover consumables (ie lubricants, greases, bulbs, wiper blades, etc) to cover ALL marques and brands of vehicles.  Castrol refused to supply non-VW specification lubricants to a VW Group operation (Castrol did not want TPS to be supplying Vauxhall, Ford, Mercedes Benz, PSA, Renault, JASO, etc specification oils to protect the other vehicle manufacturers 'trade' programmes).  Fuchs had no such morales, probably because Fuchs have never had any direct R&D with tier 1 OEMs.

 

Quantum Oils are NOT an official 'brand' of Volkswagen AG in Germany.  All Quantum products begin with the ZGB parts code prefix - which indicate it is a UK-only product.  Quantum products do NOT appear on ETKA.

Comma Prolife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700 is on approved list.

 

You only have to create a login on erWin to be able to see all the approved oils, no cost involved. Link on right side of homepage when logged in.

 

As long as your chosen oil meets 504 00 spec it'll be fine no matter what oil change interval, manufacturer or viscosity index.

 

@Black_ThunderReally all that UK members here with a TSI are caring about is what oil they use or a Main dealer or an Independent might.

 

For well over a decade that might well be Quantum or ot could be Castrol or anything.

& VW502 00 was common enough until many just used Long Life so VW504 00 / 507 00 or now VW508 00 / 509 00 since the WLTP and VW going to 0w 20 FS IV. 

 

There are Main Dealers like Parks in Scotland that did Fixed Service deals and actually used VW 502 00 with TSI's and the owners never new that was part of getting the cheap deal. 

5 minutes ago, toot said:

Nonsense,   Where are you getting your duff gen?   VW502 00 is the spec correct for TSI's / MPI's from when they were produced and if you want to use for Fixed Service Intervals.

That specification was from when the engine was ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.

 

And for the record, a 502.00 oil is still perfectly acceptable for fixed interval servicing.

 

However, 502.00 specification was designed for normally aspirated petrol engines, and includes no HTHS rating.  Turbocharged engines have much greater requirements which makes the 502.00 specification very borderline for turbos.

 

The original LongLife II and the subsequent LongLife III both include a much stricter test requirement, namely the HTHS rating.  The original LL2 had a HTHS of exactly 3.0, whereas the LL3 standard allows a little flexibility, with HTHS of between 2.9 to 3.5

 

 

5 minutes ago, toot said:

5w 40 FS.   

If you have your links to your Volkswagen stuff on only 5w 30 FS III or 0w 30 FS III so VW 504 00 / 507 00 then good.

 

TDI's require VW507 00 for fixed or variable servicing.   Long Life.

NO manufacturer now recommends 5W/40 grades.

 

Not all TDIs can use 507.00.  The V10 TDI PD in the Touraeg can only use 506.01 - which is the LongLife 2 spec

You are in the Fabia Mk3 section.  They only did Euro 6 1.4TDI's for them.  

So if you want to talk oils for other TDI's or diesels then fine.  This thread was about a 1.2 TSI Euro 6. 

VW-Approved-Oil-List.pdf

 

There is the Fabia Mk2, Roomster & various other Euro 5 petrol engine oils chart with the engine codes and the oils.

As people including garages and main dealers still go by.

VW 502 00 perfectly fine for Fixed services, and with a 1.4 TSI / TFSI Twincharger 132-136 kW all i would use as Long Life Oil was and is an issue with them.  As is only 3.6 litres in them.

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by toot

11 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Comma Prolife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700 is on approved list.

That may well be the situation at this moment in time.  But I have closely followed Comma OEM claims for three decades.  And on average, at least 70% of Comma Oils claiming to meet OEM specifications never had formal approval.  They just print the specifications on their labels and hope to wing it.

11 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

 

You only have to create a login on erWin to be able to see all the approved oils, no cost involved. Link on right side of homepage when logged in.

Yes, and erWin is a fantastic resource for anyone seeking facts on engine oil approvals

11 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

 

As long as your chosen oil meets 504 00 spec it'll be fine no matter what oil change interval, manufacturer or viscosity index.

In general, I totally agree about the 504.00 comment.  However, not all oils are made equal.  Some officially approved oils will only just creep over the 504.00 requirements, whereas others meet the 504.00 with considerable ease and headroom.

 

Viscosity is moot - because only 5W/30 can meet the 504.00/507.00 spec

11 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

 

 

Plenty Main Dealers are using 0w 30 FS II( and have been for years now.  VW 504 00 / 507 00

 

 

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by toot

13 minutes ago, toot said:

@Black_ThunderReally all that UK members here with a TSI are caring about is what oil they use or a Main dealer or an Independent might.

 

For well over a decade that might well be Quantum or ot could be Castrol or anything.

& VW502 00 was common enough until many just used Long Life so VW504 00 / 507 00 or now VW508 00 / 509 00 since the WLTP and VW going to 0w 20 FS IV. 

 

There are Main Dealers like Parks in Scotland that did Fixed Service deals and actually used VW 502 00 with TSI's and the owners never new that was part of getting the cheap deal. 

Let me clarify.  In 2006, Volkswagen AG in Germany issued a Europe-wide instruction that ONLY 504.00/507.00 be used in ALL vehicles from all marques (with three exceptions, the B5 RS4, the 5.0 V10 TDI PD, and I forgot the third, though I vaguely recall it was for the 225PS TT and S3) - for all FRANCHISED MAIN DEALERS.

 

502.00 was still acceptable to be used by independent dealers and workshops.  But that still does not mean that 502.00 is the 'best', especially in a TSI or TFSI engine.  Another issue with 502.00 specification is that there is no ACEA 'C' requirement - which is basically about clean-burn oils

8 minutes ago, Black_Thunder said:

only 5W/30 can meet the 504.00/507.00 spec

Nope, look at the list, loads of 0W30s on it. 🙂

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by Breezy_Pete

https://oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php

 

 

December 5th 2012. 

VW-Approved-Oil-List (1).pdf

Edited 31 March, 20233 yr by toot

7 minutes ago, toot said:

Plenty Main Dealers are using 0w 30 FS II( and have been for years now.  VW 504 00 / 507 00

 

 

The top one is categorically NOT a genuine VW oil.  It is simply not possible to meet a 504.00/507.00 approval with a 0W/30 - because 0W/30 is the specification for LongLife TWO (ie, 503.00/506.00/506.01).  The part number is also NOT a genuine VW part number.

 

Autodoc have a long history of providing factually incorrect information, and are often reported on in the various aftermarket subscription trade journals.

 

As for Quantum, they are NOT recognised on ETKA for main dealer use.  Quantum products were only ever designed for the independent motor trade.  Quantum products should never be used by official main dealers.  OEM specific and approved oils from the primary oil companies should be used within franchised main dealers.  So for Castrol, that is their 'Professional Powerflow' range (basically identical to the Castrol 'EDGE', but with additional additives for use in bulk storage).  Shell Oils, Motul, Mobil, Esso, etc - all produce main dealer OEM specific offerings - which most every day folks will probably never know about.

14 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Nope, look at the list, loads of 0W30s on it. 🙂

Which part of 'for U.S. only' did you miss?

 

Technical bulletins in the USA and Canada are NOT valid for any European market

2 minutes ago, Black_Thunder said:

Which part of 'for U.S. only' did you miss?

Did you mean to ask me that? The list I'm referring to is the current 504/507 pdf on erWin, no mention of US that  I can see?