KC3 and the family and wider family buzz up and down the Kingdoms like blue arsed flies and occasionally appear in EV,s. 

 

Love the latest from the UK licencing oil and gas exploration drilling under offshore windfarms if those with the windfarm licenses agree to it. 

That is the Crown Estate Sea Beds that will be licensed for the wind farms. 

What a blunder by Glasgow City Council

 

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Thousands of drivers are preparing to appeal against low-emission zone penalties after a legal challenge to the fines was upheld.

A tribunal in Glasgow ruled last week that Allan Hamilton was not liable for a £60 fine for breaching the city’s low-emission zone (Lez), because it was sent via standard post rather than by recorded delivery.

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59 minutes ago, @Lee said:

What a blunder by Glasgow City Council

 

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Plus when you consider that some of the fines at Dundee and the others in Scotland for repeat offenders are just under £1000 and how windy it is there, and the cities are not as big as London etc, makes you wonder if the real agenda is to take all ICE cars off the roads completely. The true pollution can't be that bad with the wind coming off the sea blowing it away. 

Glasgow is on the Clyde and not at the sea side. 

There are no fines for Dundee yet under the LEZ as the scheme does not start till tomorrow.  

Yes, that was all made clear in the article. I'm only too well aware of the geography of Scotland being that I used to be a regular visitor up there for work. 

Well now those that live in the LEZ,s can expect that those with non compliant Diesels or Petrols be them driven by regular or occasional visitors will be fined if they are where they should not be.

Well all except those with exemptions which will be quite a few vehicles. 

 

Crocodile tears from those that will not even be affected by the current or new requirements is just that. 

Bemoaners for the sake of it.   People who do not even have a vehicle that means they can not enter the LEZ without getting a fine. 

 

Those that elect the Councillors / Council and live & work in the LEZ are the ones that should have their say and stuff what the Rebels without a cause or the LEZ affecting them think.

 

 

Edited 29 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

And all the time there are people driving in ULEZ zones in compliant vehicles which have had their systems deleted and so pollute far worse than a car from the 80's

As it showed in a video i posted of a walking tour of Dundee that traffic in the LEZ is very little as most is pedestrian zones and have been for years.

The big car parks are not in the LEZ and as for Taxis and Busses then many are Electric already. 

 

There are differences in Glasgow and Edinburgh but Aberdeen's LEZ is pretty similar to Dundee as not being driver friendly and not covering much of an area. 

Great picture in the press yesterday of probably 20+ buses lined up in the bus lane in Streatham or Lambeth and the other lane full of slow moving ‘non-buses’ . This it seems is as a direct consequence of LTNs in the area forcing all the traffic on to that one road. 
Apart any benefit the people who cycle or walk along those back streets might gain by way of less traffic, I’m not sure what the council are hoping to achieve, certainly not getting bus passengers into work in a hurry 😂

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

As it showed in a video i posted of a walking tour of Dundee that traffic in the LEZ is very little as most is pedestrian zones and have been for years.

The big car parks are not in the LEZ and as for Taxis and Busses then many are Electric already. 

 

There are differences in Glasgow and Edinburgh but Aberdeen's LEZ is pretty similar to Dundee as not being driver friendly and not covering much of an area. 

Much the same as here with regard to walking tours of Chelmsford, the main shopping areas are pedestrian only including the market. We have one street the that has shops both sides and cars still drive down it, one way though. Our buses are not going electric anytime soon though. I expect that those you have which are, belong to the city council who would have to change on order to offer a service? Our buses are privately owned and ran by firstbus. 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Well now those that live in the LEZ,s can expect that those with non compliant Diesels or Petrols be them driven by regular or occasional visitors will be fined if they are where they should not be.

Well all except those with exemptions which will be quite a few vehicles. 

 

Crocodile tears from those that will not even be affected by the current or new requirements is just that. 

Bemoaners for the sake of it.   People who do not even have a vehicle that means they can not enter the LEZ without getting a fine. 

 

Those that elect the Councillors / Council and live & work in the LEZ are the ones that should have their say and stuff what the Rebels without a cause or the LEZ affecting them think.

 

 

My car is fully compliant with all LEZ including those up your way with one exception, Oxford which has a zero emissions zone, but I can still drive in it if I pay £4 a day so looks more like a revenue raiser then an attempt to improve air quality, like the ULEZ as there are still many official vehicles, police, ambulance, fire, military, councils etc that are not compliant. 

So?   Does the wind blow from the Sea or the Thames and get rid of the nasties?

Indeed it does look like a revenue raiser.  But then that is England and a ULEZ.   & kidology.     

You get who you or the majority vote for so you know who to moan at.

 

Scotland has LEZ,s and the Taxis get longer than the general public to comply.

The LEZ in Dundee.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckvv8qzw0w3o

 

http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/news/article?article_ref=4698

 

 

Edited 30 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

So do the nasties rise straight up into the sky from the A991 inner ring road then and not blow with the wind into the small LEZ area? Traffic that might have driven through the zone, now has to go round it on the A991, which I suspect much of it did anyway seeing as its effectively a dual carriageway and should be faster anyway?

No idea as i have not been aware of any fumes around and about for years other than from the bus station or stances and the taxi ranks where they used to sit engines running for 'Long time mister'. 

& i do not carry anything that can read particulates.  Lots of not so old diesels kick about the area at times 'rolling coal' though.  Audi, VW, Seat & Skoda,s being the most common.

 

 

 

Best to just avoid. 

Unless you want your medicines but you can get them delivered quicker than a carry out / Pizza etc, or even with your carry out and probably by someone driving an EV.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 30 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

@Graham Butcher @Ootohere Traffic going around Dundee would generally stay on the A90 (Kingsway (West)) anyway unless it actually requires to go into the city centre.

19 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

@Graham Butcher @Ootohere Traffic going around Dundee would generally stay on the A90 (Kingsway (West)) anyway unless it actually requires to go into the city centre.

That would only really true for traffic that was coming into Dundee and going onto other places such as Perth, Forfar or Arbroath etc. Local traffic i.e wanting to go to or from the University of Dundee, to Hilltown or Stobswell etc would more than likely use the A991 and not cut across the city centre, the entire A991 inner ring road, which forms the boundary of the city centre is actually less 1.75 miles in length and the centre itself is just about half a mile North to South and East to West. The A90 is roughly 1 mile further North then the most northern part of the A91, so is not near to the centre at all.

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Best to just avoid. 

Unless you want your medicines but you can get them delivered quicker than a carry out / Pizza etc, or even with your carry out and probably by someone driving an EV.

 

Haha so HMS Unicorn might be a better attraction after all then?

There must be a car event near Edinburgh today and plenty older, customised and loud and quick cars still around from the last Hoorah in Edinburgh before the LEZ came in.    PS. Bo'ness car show. 

Edited 2 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Take your pick, there is the BVAC Classic show at Thirlestene  or there is the Bo'ness Car Show, or of course it could just be a load classic car owners with 40+ year old LEZ exempt cars protesting about LEZ?

 

Will you be going along and having a look?

There has been much debate about the quality of the air that we breathe in this country and the huge push for clean air zones such as CAZ or LEZ and even ULEZ, but the fact still remains that in the grand scheme of things the air here in the UK is and has been some of the best in the world and has been improving year-on-year and to illustrate this I did a quick check on the global AIQ map yesterday around 1.00pm, and I present you some screenshots of the map, showing the severity of the air, the time and the date so there is no cheating going on. However, I still feel that the whole thing is more about separating us from our cash than anything else.

 

The maps in order are Thailand, India, Europe, Norway, and finally UK, there are vast areas that do need to take steps to clean up their air and if our air was as bad as those then I'd have no beef about these zones being introduced, but the fact is, that our air is just as good as the air in Norway which is the nation that is being hailed as the leader of the EV car adoption with many cities having banned ICE cars from entering them, and yet we still have far more ICE cars but air quality is comparable.

 

For instance, the UK was 12:68 meaning that the equivalent time in India and Thailand was 18:30 in India and 20:00 in Thailand so their pollution levels should be lower than the daytime one. 
 

Edited 27 November, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

What measurements/specific pollutants are being measured to generate those numbers, please Graham? Link to the site?

9 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

What measurements/specific pollutants are being measured to generate those numbers, please Graham? Link to the site?

Link to the site is here Air Pollution in World: Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map

 

The measurements used include the following, there may be more, but these are the core ones. PM2.5, PM10, O3, NO2, SO2 and CO and if you select any monitoring station and hover the mouse over it, you will be presented with a pop box listing these and the results of each of these on an hourly basis, showing date and time, and the bottom of the box it will show you over a few minutes, the results for the last 12 months on a daily basis.

£500,000 fines in first 3 months in Dundee.  Not that they are getting all that money in because of prompt payments, exempted vehicles or those not paying. 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

£500,000 fines in first 3 months in Dundee.  Not that they are getting all that money in because of prompt payments, exempted vehicles or those not paying. 

Am I right in thinking that the figures on GB's maps are for 'whats in the air' ( motor vehicles contribute but not sole source by any means )  ?

 

e.g. in some of the far east buring of fields after harvest is common ( and creates a lot of 'smoke' for many weeks )

Edited 27 November, 20241 yr by olddog