@Graham Butcher "Around here." Very much relevant. For UK wide they will need rolled out UK wide. Getting full Mobile & Digital Receptions UK Wide might be a good idea. There are Average Speed cameras about on 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 mph & on 70 mph roads in many regions of the UK. It hardly requires having watched a Vlogger to know this, just pay attention while out and about driving.

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I cannot see the cameras being used to charge people ppm it will be mandatory reporting like they have said. The way the cameras could be used is a back check for credibility, It will be quite simple for a registration number to be put into the computer system to validate "hits" and an AI model see if that 3,000mile was credible

@Evolution13 Agreed about the vlogger, apart from the fact he was seeing this happening years ago in his part of the country, the west of England, at the time, many here were rubbishing vloggers. Yes, much of what people here say is rubbish. There is not a single one of us who could not learn something new every day by opening our minds.

I also understand there are average speed cameras on roads that carry speed limits from 20 to 70 mph, many of which do not have a history of excessive speeds or accidents. There are many stretches of the A12 road which have had them installed recently.

I agree with the mobile phone signal aspect, and yet that has not stopped remote chargers being installed in some poor signal locations, which you have documented in some of your logs, and yet some others have claimed that they never experience such issues. There are some locations where you can get 4G or even 5G phone signal but still have major issues getting any internet.

ANPR was happening years ago and anyone could see if they opened there eyes. Drug Dealers and Terrorists tracked into Scotland before stopped here. Plenty ANPR for decades to Sea Ports. Scottish Ports to Northern Ireland. Who are the plenty saying the Vloggers are speaking rubbish when they are only repeating what the heard or read someplace else, or things they predict with any of us do regularly. The Muppet that buys cars is not Nostradamus or someone with an ear into Government or Think Tanks meetings. Is he still out their posting what is sometimes guff like is often posted here?

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Just now, Evolution13 said:

ANPR was happening years ago and anyone could see if they opened there eyes. Drug Dealers and Terrorists tracked into Scotland before stopped here. Plenty ANPR for decades to Sea Ports. Scottish Ports to Northern Ireland.

Indeed, didn't they also play a big part in catching the murderer of Ann Widcombe because they tracked him and arrested him within a very quick time?

Do you never watch the Murder Documentaries there are on the various TV channels & stuff on Organised Criminals? It has been many a year now of tracking vehicles. Much tracking during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

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1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

I cannot see the cameras being used to charge people ppm it will be mandatory reporting like they have said. The way the cameras could be used is a back check for credibility, It will be quite simple for a registration number to be put into the computer system to validate "hits" and an AI model see if that 3,000mile was credible

Totally agree, certainly at least until they can get massively improved camera coverage and prove beyond doubt that the system is fully reliable.

3 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Do you never watch the Murder Documentaries there are on the various TV channels & stuff on Organised Criminals? It has been many a year now of tracking vehicles. Much tracking during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Yes, I watch them occasionally.

Thank Goodness that Reform UK members, officials and Elected Politicians vehicles movements by road can be tracked.

19 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Thank Goodness that Reform UK members, officials and Elected Politicians vehicles movements by road can be tracked.

Probably have special inbuilt trackers fitted as well.

@Graham Butcher 'Experts' that are local residents reckon that Private Flights during the Grouse Shooting season or during Golf Events in the Region are a cause of increased pollution. Their answer seams to be closure of the airport. Ignoring the fact the private flights will land someplace else maybe less that 30 miles away increasing pollution there. http://thecourier.co.uk/fp/business-environment/transport/5574581/experts-dundee-air-pollution-airport

Edited 23 September23 Sep by Evolution13

I still reckon all flights should attract greater green levies in light of their greenhouse gas emissions. The individual motorists is too easy a target whereas airlines & airports have a powerful lobby influencing governments.

@SteveTheElder

Edited 23 September23 Sep by Evolution13

Good to see that the ADT will include private flights in the coming years.

The rates of Air Passenger Duty are ridiculously low. For an internal flight in economy, it is a mere £8. So, should my wife and I choose to visit friends on the Black Isle and fly from Southampton to Inverness it is £16 (2x£8) in duty. If I drive, fuel duty, and VAT on that duty (not the VAT on the base fuel cost), would amount to £28.60. Bonkers.

[Rant over, for now!]

When I first started this thread, I had my suspicions that it was a money-making scheme and far less about clean air. I kept pointing out that our air was already pretty clean and we were all on average living far longer than people before us, and this trend has been going upwards since 1950, never once dipping down, despite what we were all told.

Now I urge you all to actually watch this video, and please don't dare to comment without actually watching the video. I know that many of you claim that these videos are nothing other than clickbait, but you would be totally wrong on that point.

I also said that these LEZ cameras were being installed, using clean air as a cover for their real purpose, and many of you at the time disagreed with me and claimed that the air quality was actually shortening people's lives, despite figures proving the exact opposite was happening.

So this guy actually goes through all the contracts issued by governments, councils, etc., and follows where and who the money goes to and who has to end up actually paying and just who ends up making fortunes from these deals, and why there is never any real consultation and why even when there is massive backlash, with a bigger number of objections than votes were cast for the government in the election, these schemes still go ahead.

Genuine comments welcomed to this, please, but only after you watch the video.

Air pollution linked to 30,000 UK deaths in 2025 and cost...

The majority of those deaths would have been due to decades of earlier pollution.

The ulez zones have had less effect than the earlier actions taken which was bringing the levels down as older vehicles were leaving the roads.

Annual emissions of PM10 have decreased by 82 per cent since 1970, to

127 thousand tonnes in 2022. They have increased by 1 per cent between

2021 and 2022.

Annual emissions of PM2.5 have decreased by 88 per cent since 1970, to

65 thousand tonnes in 2022. They have decreased by 2 per cent between

2021 and 2022.

In the UK PM2.5 emissions decreased by 41 per cent between 2005 and

2022. Therefore, in 2022, the UK did meet the 30 per cent emission

reduction commitment required between 2020 to 2029 as set out in the

NECR.

Levels of both pollutants generally decreased between 1970 and the late-

2000s. There are many reasons for this long-term decrease, which covers

most emissions sources, but the reduction in the burning of coal and

improved emission standards for transport and industrial processes are

major drivers. Since the late 2000s annual emissions of PM have generally

continued to fall, but the rate of change has reduced. Compared to earlier

decades, emission levels have been relatively steady with small annual

fluctuations. Considerable decreases in emissions from some sources

(e.g. from road transport and energy industries) have been largely offset by

increases in emissions from wood burning in domestic settings and from

solid fuel burning by industry (particularly the burning of biomass based-

fuels). In 2020 PM emissions reached the lowest level since estimates

began due to reduced economic activity during the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://programmeofficers.co.uk/Highsted/CoreDocuments/CD21%20-%20Air%20Quality%20-%20topic%20specific%20documents/21.1%20Emissions%20of%20air%20pollutants%20in%20the%20UK%20%E2%80%93%20(PM10%20and%20PM2.5),%20DEFRA%20(Feb%202024).pdf

It would appear that the massive increase in the use of nitrous oxide as a fertiliser has risen massively, and in 1950 it was 50 million tonnes globally, and by 2000 it had reached 300 million tonnes – that's 6 times. It also turns out that it is 300 times worse than CO₂ for global warming and thus climate change, and as it makes up now, some 8% of the air, it therefore seems logical that it has far more effect than CO₂, so maybe we should be turning the attention away from combustion engines and start looking at ways of drastically cutting the use of nitrous oxide as a fertiliser.

It has already been shown that being indoors (at home) exposes us to far higher levels of harmful pollutants than standing at the roadside, especially while cooking is being done, and that would also explain why when air quality monitoring stations are located next to catering facilities such as fast food, cafes and restaurants, those stations measure far higher levels of pollution than those situated right alongside the A406 (the north circular road) in London.

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

as it makes up now, some 8% of the air

What?

Go back and check that please.

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Nobody's got time

22 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

What?

Go back and check that please.

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Agreed. Load of nonsense.
As is the rest of this topic.

Locked.