45 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

How?

 

The  changes on ICE are that the diesels will have to meet the Nox limit of the Petrol reached in Euro 6 and the length of time cars have to meet the emissions level will be increased from 5 years to 10

 

 

Londoners will still be able to drive a twenty year old Jaguar  into the ulez zone. Unless Khan moves the goalposts

 

All the other changes will apply to all cars including BEV

 

 

Not as I read it, yes tailpipe gases remain broadly similar but Euro 7 tightens up on PMs from brakes and tyres.

 

Brake dust generally not an issue for EVs and full hybrids as the have strong regen an only use their brake pads in emergencies and very heavy braking.

 

Tyre PM emissions might have been an issue for some EV makers who make heavy EVs but French companies and some others make quite light EVs where tyre PMs should he similar to ICE.

 

Paris charging heavy EVs mainly will hit German EVs and some  big Chinese and Korean EVs where the tyre PM pollution will be bad unless tyres are advanced type.

 

EURO 7 transfers increased focus on to brake dust and tyre dust I understood.

 

10 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not as I read it, yes tailpipe gases remain broadly similar but Euro 7 tightens up on PMs from brakes and tyres.

 

Brake dust generally not an issue for EVs and full hybrids as the have strong regen an only use their brake pads in emergencies and very heavy braking.

 

Tyre PM emissions might have been an issue for some EV makers who make heavy EVs but French companies and some others make quite light EVs where tyre PMs should he similar to ICE.

 

Paris charging heavy EVs mainly will hit German EVs and some  big Chinese and Korean EVs where the tyre PM pollution will be bad unless tyres are advanced type.

 

EURO 7 transfers increased focus on to brake dust and tyre dust I understood.

 

 

Ice won't have to meet the targets being set for electric energy consumption, electric range, battery durability  though.

 

Brake dust will depend upon the driver but the rules will just modify the manufacturing process and make them dearer probably the same with tyres.

 

I expect there to be resurgence in ICE sales as the deadline nears.

 

The government have already done things to make people hang on to their cars longer and Euro 7 will probably add to that too

 

Massive discounts like the one Nissan has just done on the leaf and Vauxhall did last year with the Corsa are also going to put people off buying a new EV. It will also affect the PCP deals offered and put the monthly payments up on the new ones for those who want to rent the vehicles. GFVs are going to suffer.

 

The next ten years will be very entertaining

https://thehaveringdaily.co.uk/2024/06/07/videofirefighters-tackle-electric-car-fire-in-collier-row/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3y2sW_1TrPQkagBDU0uO8qksZd4W5DBXJhjeELUW-3oGGv7BQSAFSZvz4_aem_AVLR86j6Lp0mtGC_r9jvMui1TMXE0wTIVaZeXJ6KjVzFEWbRIJnQGKElB3pUMTO-JHRO1rEaTjoMwUKmYw-Ntl1D&amp

 

Fire on EV at MFG rapid charger. 

 

Though firefighter were dozing the inside of the car, not under the car where battery pack is situated. It's probably just another JLR vehicle fire 😜 

 

Also worth noting, there is active recall for LG ES cells used by IPace, Taycan and some Audi's. 

Correct, it was 2022 Jag Ipace, I wouldn't read too much into where they were dousing, it could be that there was fire inside the car and/or they were trying to locate the HV battery isolator and of course it could be that there has not yet been found a universal way of actually dealing with EV battery fires, but this does not look like a battery fire.

 

There is no sign of any flames at the time the video was taken and the smoke/gas was greyish so it could just have been a normal car fire caused by anything, smoking, electrical etc and they have already knocked it out and the clouds were residue smoke and steam from the water they had pumped into it. 

 

The traction battery did not look like it had been involved at that point otherwise there would still be flames coming below and around the car, so all signs in the video look like just a normal interior fire.

 

This video shows what a typical EV battery is on fire, looks like, witness the huge gas cloud being ejected at great pressure, then the flamethrower effect when ignition occurs and how quick the tyres burst, then the building in front also catches fire, scary.

 

 

Edited 10 June, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Sorry to bring this up again, but did anyone clock the horrific fire in a Lithium-ion battery factory in South Korea, CCTV shows in just seconds how the factory was engulfed in the toxic fumes which claimed 22 lives of the workers inside the factory which is precisely the reason why fire brigades all over the world are so concerned about electric cars.

 

Footage shows moment deadly South Korea factory fire breaks out - BBC News

 

South Korea: Exploding lithium batteries spark deadly factory fire - BBC News

 

 

 

 

This is also yet another fire at a battery recycling plant, the second fire at this site in 2 years.

 

Watch as fire engulfs industrial estate in Renfrewshire - BBC News

 

Huge plume of smoke as firefighters tackle industrial site blaze - BBC News

 

 

People all over the world are concerned on many things.  Climate change / global warnings, forest fires, flood, oceans rising.   All concerning Fire and Emergency Services as well.    Fire Service and Emergency service in the UK are purchasing quite a lot of BEV,s into their fleet of cars.  They go with the flow sort of thing.  It is fortunate that there are fires at recycling plants in the UK but they really are less common than moor fires in the UK and take up nothing like as many man / woman fire fighters time and resources as these.       These informative videos and bloggers / vloggers are very good at giving information and telling the news of vehicles and ev,s.    Not sure that any governments or manufacturers are giving a flying duck on anything they have to say though..

Edited 26 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Massive fire, injuries and people made homeless in South Korea.

 

 

This man needs to get real.

Maybe visit Falkirk.

 

Falkirk so not posh or known for money about, disabled bay so probably a Motability car and an EV.

What a tw-at.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I never mentioned that video by Geoff Buys Cars because of lack of supporting proof, unlike the John Cadogen video which contain the support, and what he said, is more than likely why the Government have placed a blanket ban of EV's in their underground car parks on government buildings. Why FFS have they only done that in their own buildings??? 

 

I did post a link to the UK Government statement banning EV cars in their underground car parks a few months back.

Edited 10 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

The recent deaths in the car accidents in the Falkirk area, and building fires are in the news this past weeks.

 

As for the Car Fire, strange not even on Facebook or in local press. 

I thought the Hyundai Kona ev charging point was in the grill at the front?

These videos also cover the Korean fire, and then another one in Korea just a few days later.

 

 

 

 

 

Do Electrified cars that burn out be them a MHEV, PHEV or BEV just get left on the public highway after the fire has extinguished & the emergency services, fire fighters have left?

46 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I thought the Hyundai Kona ev charging point was in the grill at the front?

There are a few models, certainly the new 2024 has it at the front, but I think after googling images, this one in the photo is a hybrid, so that could be either the fuel filler or the charge point flap. 

3 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Do Electrified cars that burn out be them a MHEV, PHEV or BEV just get left on the public highway after the fire has extinguished & the emergency services, fire fighters have left?

so the fireman said in his video, that they should be escorted to the dump by a fire truck for safety.

UK / Scotland.  Really there needs to be more than that happening. 

 

 

EDIT.

Strange nothing about a Car Fire, disabled driver or passengers or not in Falkirk.

 

But anyone with a Fisker has been put on notice.

Edited 11 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Just now, Ootohere said:

UK / Scotland.  Really there needs to be more than that happening. 

I can't comment on what the practise is in the UK, I can't honestly say as I've ever witnessed an EV on fire other than on video,

January this year. 

It is nearly a year since i last used that chargers. 

Edited 11 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

For a fair and equitable comparison the question should have been more generic whilst remaining specific.

eg rather than asking for EV Vehicle only (which in itself is an oxymoron, what's an electric vehicle vehicle??) the question could have said "how many vehicles broken down by EV & ICE......."
 

^^^ Lucky to have had any answer via a FOI.   & as to if the reply can be trusted, anyone's guess.

A BEV is a Battery Electric Vehicle.  Battery power no Engine.   

 

This past week a fire in Perth Scotland. 

No more info on if a full BEV, or PHEV or MHEV or a Range Extender.

 

..................

If they left after 1 hour was it a BEV on fire, or did they leave with the vehicle?  Was it less than 2 hours they were there?

2 Fire & Emergency service (fire engines) attended.

 

Edited 18 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I was referring to this



The word "vehicle" after "EV" is superfluous

41 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ Lucky to have had any answer via a FOI.   & as to if the reply can be trusted, anyone's guess.

A BEV is a Battery Electric Vehicle.  Battery power no Engine.   

 

This past week a fire in Perth Scotland. 

No more info on if a full BEV, or PHEV or MHEV or a Range Extender.

 

..................

If they left after 1 hour was it a BEV on fire, or did they leave with the vehicle?  Was it less than 2 hours they were there?

2 Fire & Emergency service (fire engines) attended.

 

I would say it may have been any of them but the fire was not involving the traction battery. Not every EV fire was started by the HV system, they suffer from the same fire risks as ICE do. 

@Winston_Woof  That was the question. By whoever.   It is common for people to say that, even those with a EV..

The answer did not repeat what they asked, they replied to the EV,s and none caught fire.

Just over 150 electric vehicle (BEV, PHEV and REx EV) is a rather small sample size......

 

Even according to the highest statistical likelihood per year seen previously, 150 * 5 * 0.011% = 0.083 car...... Regardless of powertrain, anything greater than 1 in such small sample size is unusual.

 

On 23/11/2023 at 11:18, wyx087 said:

Section 2.6 in the covered car park fire guidance gives similar stat as the Guardian article, with the same caveats such as age of vehicle in the data set.