Heat from an exhaust can never ignite petrol, it will vaporise it but it would then need an ignition source.

 

Also you say that the heat from the exhaust under the car ignited the fuel sloshing around in the car, never in a million years.

 

They were probably smoking.

2 hours ago, J.R. said:

Heat from an exhaust can never ignite petrol, it will vaporise it but it would then need an ignition source.

 

Also you say that the heat from the exhaust under the car ignited the fuel sloshing around in the car, never in a million years.

 

They were probably smoking.

No, I never said anything, those are the YT notes for the video. I know that petrol on something hot will vaporise. That why I said it was interesting, more to it than meets the eye. 

12 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

No, I never said anything, those are the YT notes for the video. I know that petrol on something hot will vaporise. That why I said it was interesting, more to it than meets the eye. 

 

That wasn't made clear in your previous post. It would have been better to have quoted what was in the YT vid as it comes across as being your words.

25 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

 

That wasn't made clear in your previous post. It would have been better to have quoted what was in the YT vid as it comes across as being your words.

Maybe, but I suppose I assumed that most people would explore it a bit more and as such as actually going to YT to see what the notes state, I know that usually do that myself not only to see if there was more info, but also to see how old the video as I have seen others posting videos that were old. 

They were your words.

 

If you know that petrol can't be ignited from the heat of an exhaust system travelling through the vehicle floorpan then why repeat such nonsense?

 

If you thought there was more to it than meets the eye you would have said so, not that the video was interesting.

This video was released today and the links below will provide you with the documents / articles referred to in the video and aid clarity, these are taken directly from the video on YT and you are welcome to use this link to see them for yourself, they are not my words or made up.

(305) Why Chinese EVS are Killing People - YouTube

 

 

Chinese EV Recall in Australia:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electr...

 

Chinese EVs banned from parking underground in China:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/mo...

On 21/09/2024 at 19:59, J.R. said:

They were your words.

 

If you know that petrol can't be ignited from the heat of an exhaust system travelling through the vehicle floorpan then why repeat such nonsense?

 

If you thought there was more to it than meets the eye you would have said so, not that the video was interesting.

You are making more out of this than there is, because you want there to be more, just do a little more checking, like, read the full notes that appear on YouTube with each video and then you will see exactly where those words/references came from.

 

That is one of the first things that I do when anybody posts a YT video, I click in the top right corner of the video thumbnail where it says "Copy link" and I watch it in YT where I can see any supporting articles and when the video was uploaded, to back up the presenter's claims in order decide if there is any factual substance to their video or is hearsay etc., then I'm being better informed.

8 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

 

 

That is one of the first things that I do when anybody posts a YT video, I click in the top right corner of the video thumbnail where it says "Copy link" and I watch it in YT 

I'm lazy and just  click on the link in the lower LH corner ;o)

1 hour ago, Winston_Woof said:

I'm lazy and just  click on the link in the lower LH corner ;o)

Wow, I never realised that link would also work, that is even quicker, thanks, I've learned something useful today 👍 I just that thought it was an advert saying that it came from YouTube.

Edited 23 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

I'm even lazier, or I like to think not sheep like, if someone trots out rubbish then I challenge it, I have no desire to search out where they read what they swallowed and regurgitated.

 

They were your words Graham, how hard would it be for you ever to say even to yourself (because as sure as eggs is eggs you would never on the forum) I was wrong, I should have asked myself if what I read/watched was plausible before repeating it verbatim.

46 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I'm even lazier, or I like to think not sheep like, if someone trots out rubbish then I challenge it, I have no desire to search out where they read what they swallowed and regurgitated.

 

They were your words Graham, how hard would it be for you ever to say even to yourself (because as sure as eggs is eggs you would never on the forum) I was wrong, I should have asked myself if what I read/watched was plausible before repeating it verbatim.

I posted it because I thought it was interesting and thought others might find it interesting, especially with the backstory as written with the video, for instance, why would they fill loads of cans up with petrol allegedly stolen from a petrol station and the petrol dripping onto the exhaust. That alone is unlikely to ignite the petrol but it will create plenty of highly flammable vapour which would ignite explosively if there is another means of ignition handy. The information provided also clearly states that they had not even put the lids on the cans, so who knows exactly how the ignition happened but it did.

 

It was still interesting in its own right and the observant would have noticed that the flames from the petrol were only going in a vertical direction, there were no sideways flames coming from the car, thus confirming it was not an EV battery on fire. 

US salt water flooding are warning about EV's fire risk, probably due to failed battery seal: 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/is-this-another-ev-myth.187382/post-3668211

source: https://cleantechnica.com/2024/09/29/flood-fire-risk-with-evs-at-least-some-ev-packs-need-better-water-sealing/

 

We've seen this failure mode before with the Scotland flood warranty case, salt water is going to be far worse. 

New video footage has become available for the recent fire in the underground carpark in Korea and although an EV caused the fire, much of the resultant inferno and the high number of other cars destroyed in was caused by the ceiling being clad in something totally unsuitable which quickly caught fire and then dropped burning balls of fire all over the carpark.

 

 

Battery storage unit rolls over on a bridge on its way either into or exiting the port of Los Angeles on the 26th Sept 2024. It completely shut the highway and the port down for 2 days and it took 3 days before the scene was all clear.

 

I paste the full description and words from wrecking crew who were on scene all time and did the clearance job.

 

60,000lb Lithium-ion Battery EXPLODES on Freeway! As always with my channel, this is NOT clickbait. I literally captured this massive 60,000lb lithium-ion battery as it explodes on the freeway. Call it luck, but man are we grateful we were not close when it happened. The drone footage is shot in 24fps so it is very difficult to capture how crazy this was up close. The sound was like a huge bomb. I wear a lavalier mic with a windscreen on, and even at 500' away it was LOUD. BTW don't forget, EVERYTHING is 10% (including my new cool shirt) at shop.pepestowLA.com. I'll let the video do all the explaining, but all in all this was a 3 day job. Day 1 was 11 hours of just standing by, waiting to get to the action. Due to the toxic fumes from the fire, they ended up making the call to let it burn until it dies down. Then the next day, even more standby time as the Fire Department decided to tackle the container for safety reasons. We still got to upright the tractor and tow that along with the chassis. Then day 3 we were called back to actually upright the container, so it can be dismantled and scrapped. Was an insane weekend, with lots of big jobs in between. This technology is still new when it comes to fires, so I'm very curious to see what is going to change in regards to regulating this. Such as, do you need a special license to transport these? How should these fires be handled? With special equipment or just let burn? If you guys like my style of filming and editing, please subscribe so I can keep pumping out this long form content twice a week. And if you're a fan and would like more, become a member! I post all my deleted videos here and other perks:    / @pepestowingservice  

 

 

Further info here.

 

Watch the 60,000lb lithium-ion battery fire that shut down a highway for days - The Verge

Another BEV went on fire,

the picture shows a Vauxhall Vivaro People Carrier but the article does not say what it was and neither does he.

THAT IS NOT THE VEHICLE BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THE VIDEO.  

(There was posts on here when one went on fire, under the bonnet a year or so ago. )

 

Re Corsa electric.

'What appears to be a battery completely melted'

That must be pictures taken from under the car showing that, not shared pictures.

............................................

 

The news paper article was 2 days ago about the vehicle talked about in the Youtube vid.

 

........................

 

WL22 EJN  Shows that the VED was due on 1st August 2024.

It was on fire a year ago, so why would it have VED?

 

***EDIT.

The picture on the Vid is from a Vivaro on fire last year in Cornwall.. ***

 

 

 

 

Last year.

Geoff Buys Cars vids on Fires.

Edited 23 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

9 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Another BEV went on fire,

the picture shows a Vauxhall Vivaro People Carrier but the article does not say what it was and neither does he.

THAT IS NOT THE VEHICLE BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THE VIDEO.  

(There was posts on here when one went on fire, under the bonnet a year or so ago. )

 

Re Corsa electric.

'What appears to be a battery completely melted'

That must be pictures taken from under the car showing that, not shared pictures.

............................................

 

The news paper article was 2 days ago about the vehicle talked about in the Youtube vid.

 

........................

 

WL22 EJN  Shows that the VED was due on 1st August 2024.

It was on fire a year ago, so why would it have VED?

 

***EDIT.

The picture on the Vid is from a Vivaro on fire last year in Cornwall.. ***

 

 

 

 

Last year.

Geoff Buys Cars vids on Fires.

There is a few things wrong here, the picture of the Vivaro was indeed the one from Cornwall, last year, so was only used as an example of burnt car. At no point in the video did he make any claims as to the type / make of car.

 

The Corsa he talks about is the same one that you posted about in another thread, and in that thread it was claimed that the cause was a fag end setting fire to fuel in cans with no top on them. I even mentioned that using my knowledge of fires, that the flames were indeed consistent with something like fuel leaking as the flames were just going straight up and not like the flamethrower jets normally associated with Lithium-ion batteries. In the video he does make out that it was a battery fire and that the car had been parked for some time. Something between the two reports is not correct, I’m not sure if your version or his version is the correct one, but photo does not show a melted battery, it appears to be the invertor unit that has suffered from the flames.

 

The Vivaro is an electric car, just like yours, and it is shown as Untaxed on DVLA database and the taxed and VED was due 1^st August 2024 as the car was registered August 2022 and as the fire was last year, I would say that is why it is shown as untaxed as it currently is maybe awaiting decisions on the cars fate.

 

Like all electric cars, while they currently have zero VED, they still have to go through the same VED procedure each year, as your car is shown as taxed because you have done the required application each year.

 

In that video, which was not mentioned in your post was the report from The Korean Times that shows that EVs have a higher ratio of fires than ICE cars, which is completely the opposite to what people over here claim by the likes of The Fully Charged Show and other entities with a vested interest, like I have mentioned before, I think that we are not being told the full truth.

 

That report states that EVs have 0.93 chance of fire against 0.9 for ICE and these ratios are per 10,000 cars. Well seeing as there many times more ICE cars that there are EVs and also the average of an ICE is considerably greater than that of an EVs, it stands to reason that we all have a far greater chance of seeing an ICE fire as opposed to an EV fire.

I could go on further, but somehow I think I think have done enough to completely debunk the false claims that have been made.

 

Incidentally, I was going to post that video along with others but decided against doing so because I knew that the usual suspects would attempt to rubbish them because they contain things that they don’t to hear, see or admit that maybe that EVs are not all they are being cracked to be and that there could be a dieselgate moment coming along in the future when we are told the truth and we have to find other solutions.

 

Edited 23 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher  The Corsa electric was in Aberdeen, it was on fire.

It was a car fire in Inverurie which is Aberdeenshire that people went on about Electric cars that was a fag but setting the v=back seat on fire and a fuel can was on the back seat. 

 

The Fire & Emergency services are managing to extinguish these EV fires.

Must be down to their training and equipment, and maybe not all cars batteries being in Thermal Runaway. 

 

By now any Car Recovery Companies & Recovery Yards must have the Trained Staff to deal with Electrified Vehicles or just have to refuse to.

You might expect that the Police & Fire & Emergency Services know who these Companies are in their area and who can do what. 

Edited 24 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

PS.

Lots of car fire reports somewhere in Scotland, nearly every week.

I never mentioned the 2 cars on fire in Stonehaven as no mention of what type and the pictures were not clear.

Someone was arrested for arson anyway.

 

There was disruption on 1 major routes yesterday in Scotland because of a car on fire.

 

Edited 24 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Here are a couple of incidents within days of each other, 4 people have died in each of these Tesla cars that burst into flames, in both cases the cars were been involved in accidents.

 

 

 

 

Why is it that only EV fires make the news and ICE fires seldom make the news??

 

 

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

^^^ What is the message? is it do not go to North America, and if you do then do not drive or ride in a TESLA. 

 

BBC, 19 hours ago.

We are doomed.   People are having lucky escapes so far in the UK, unless there have been deaths.

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5l46l2vdxo

 

http://bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0k06fmk

 

 

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

No, there is no hidden message, just posted so that people can decide for themselves about the risks associated with EV cars and Tesla's in particular as both of these cars were reported as driving at speed, so were they just speeding, or were the cars in autopilot mode and become rogue, did the electronic door handles also play a part in the deaths as has been mentioned before, particularly with Tesla's that there is no mechanical internal door release mechanism, nor is there is there so it seems, any direct linkage from the external door handles, meaning that in the event of the handles not working, smashing windows is the only option and with those windows being laminated, is harder to do than you might think

 

I have since updated that post with a 2 further video reports.   

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

3 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

http://bbc.co.uk/articles/cy5l46l2vdxo

 

http://bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/P0k06fmk

 

sorry but these links don't work.

 

I know there is no hidden message.   Just a video telling of issues, and the regulators and authorities need to pay attention, or people Just Say No.  Save me from nasty peoducts. 

 

@Graham Butcher The links did not work until they then did work.

Sometimes you need to give me time. 

Unlike Fires, action / speed is essential.

 

Some EV car fires are getting dealt with much quicker than others.  

Edited 26 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Is this just the tip of the iceberg or is it just an isolated oddball?