I would like to downsize the wheels on our Scala Monte Carlo to be more compliant on our poor local roads. my queries are:

 

1> Can anyone confirm the Monte Carlo is exactly the same mechanically as the SE model (brakes, disk sizes etc) so I can fit 16" wheels with no problem ? 

 

2> I expected I would find new Skoda wheels for sale in the UK no problem, but it seems they are not as widely available as I thought, or my search ability is failing me !

Does anyone know if and where I can purchase genuine Skoda wheels for the Scala ? If not I will maybe look at aftermarket, but would prefer to use some genuine VAG parts if I could find them. If I am correct (?) they need to be 6.5 or 7J with 57.1 CB 100x5 bolt pattern and an ET close to 39, and fitted with 205/55/16 tyres ?

I am not adverse to buying some used ones, but finding something that doesn't need refurbing (it seems a lot of people treat their wheels as feelers for where the kerb is 😄) or come with unsuitable sized or type tyres. so often aren't much cheaper than buying new.

2 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

6.5 or 7J with 57.1 CB 100x5 bolt pattern and an ET close to 39, and fitted with 205/55/16 tyres

Octavia 1 (aka A4) Elegance or L&K turbodiesels, some vRS Estates...

Try this listing, they have 16” alloys listed as well as some nice refurbished Scala Monte Carlo 18’s

https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/xactalloys

All Scala models (including the most powerful models with the biggest front brake discs) can be fitted with 195/65R15 tyres and 6Jx15 ET35 5/100 57.1 rims. This is one of the Skoda approved winter wheel sizes...the other being 195/60R16 fitted to a 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 rim.

 

The below link shows Skoda alloy rims for the Scala (from the Skoda accessory catalogue). You should be able to order any of them from a UK VAG parts department using the OEM part number.

 

For example, on the "skoda eshop cz" website, the below silver Nanuq 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rim has an OEM part number 654071496B 8Z8 and is listed at 3399CZK (about £115 each).

 

16" alloy rims for Scala (6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 and 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kola/c/alloyWheels?sort=priceAsc&q=%3AscoreDesc%3AcarType%3AScala%2B%282019%2B%29%3ArimDiameter%3A16%22#

 

I doubt 205/55R16 fitted to the 6Jx16 ET35 rim is approved by Skoda, as I suspect that rim specification is reserved for the 195/60R16 winter tyre size. However, I have seen a Skoda dealer listing both 195/60R16 and 205/55R16 for the 6Jx16 ET35 rim...but that doesn't mean that both tyre sizes are approved by Skoda. If in doubt, check the car's CoC (Certificate of Conformity)...which should list all of the Skoda approved wheel sizes.

 

Steel rims are also available for the Scala, with 6Jx15 ET35 5/100 57.1, 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1, and 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1 specifications.

 

One non-standard option is 205/60R15 fitted to 6Jx15 ET35 or 6Jx15 ET38. The 205/60R15 tyre size was quite common on the Skoda Octavia MK1 and MK2. This could be an interesting option if you wanted a little more sidewall than 205/55R16 but considered 195/65R15 to be a little on the skinny side. The Octavia MK4 uses a very similar 205/60R16, ie. 1" bigger diameter, as it's entry level tyre size.

 

Here's a couple of Uniroyal summer tyres in both the 205/60R15 91V and 205/55R16 91V tyre sizes. Notice that these Uniroyal tyres have a different tread pattern for 60 and 55 aspect ratios. I prefer the tread pattern that the 60 aspect ratio tyre uses. Also notice that both the 205/60R15 and 205/55R16 tyre sizes have the same Standard Load index, ie. 91 (615kg). This means that you could use the same tyre pressures with both tyre sizes because they can support exactly the same weight when inflated to the same tyre pressure.

 

I expect most Scala owners would stick to Skoda approved tyre and rim sizes, but the option is there for those that like to have something a little different. 15" rims do have one big advantage over 16" rims...they weigh quite a bit less. The above 16" alloy rims weigh about 9.4kg each, but you can get super lightweight 15" rims (such as Pepperpots from the early Audi A3) that weigh only 5.7kg each. Multiple that by four, and you've got almost a 15kg saving in unsprung weight. Even the 15" steel rims are considerably lighter than the 16" alloy rims, and might save about 8kg to 10kg in unsprung weight...once you multiple the individual weight saving by four.

 

Uniroyal RainExpert 5 205/60R15 91V (Euro label C A 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m53b0s412p213006/Uniroyal_Tyres_Car_Uniroyal_RainExpert_5_205_60_R15_91V_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Uniroyal RainSport 5 205/55R16 91V (Euro label C A 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s291p185913/Uniroyal_Tyres_Car_Uniroyal_RainSport_5_205_55_R16_91V_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Outside diameter of tyres

205/60R15 627mm (0.8% smaller outside diameter compared to 205/55R16...up to 1.5% difference is often considered insignificant)

205/55R16 631.9mm

 

Another option for 15" alloy or steel rims, are 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 from the Fabia MK3. Skoda fits 185/60R15 tyres to these Fabia MK3 rims, but bigger tyres such as 205/60R15 would be needed for the Scala. The ET38 offset would be ideal for the Scala, because that's what the 205/55R16 tyres on the Scala normally use, ie. 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 

 

Skoda 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rims (from Fabia MK3) (weighs about 8.3kg each) (3629CZK is about £122)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kola/c/alloyWheels?q=%3ApriceAsc%3AcarType%3AFabia%2BIII%2B%282014%2B%29%3ArimDiameter%3A15%22&text=#

 

Edited 23 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

I couldn't find any UK seller listing the OEM ones new  so I don't know what they would cost here., Buying from overseas with wheels is now expensive due to the VAT and import duties 🤨

But great to have clarification on clearance etc, thank you

 

2 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

I couldn't find any UK seller listing the OEM ones new  so I don't know what they would cost here., Buying from overseas with wheels is now expensive due to the VAT and import duties.

 

I am not suggesting you purchase from overseas. I use "skoda eshop cz" purely for information because they are quite good at putting photos up of the various alloy rims in the "Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue".

 

Here is a link to the "2023 Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue". However, I prefer to use "skoda eshop cz" which shows the same Skoda alloy rims.

 

The UK VAG parts departments price shouldn't be much different from that Czech website, although you would need to check. The UK VAG parts departments can order in exactly the same parts as their European counterparts.

 

2023 Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue

https://www.skoda-auto.com/_doc/a1a05a53-26b1-4278-9251-515531f22ecb

 

"skoda eshop cz" (the alloy rims from the Skoda accessory catalogue are shown on this website)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kola/c/alloyWheels

 

Edited 23 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

Here are the four 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rims shown in the "Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue" for the Scala. These are approved by Skoda for use with 205/55R16 when fitted to the Scala.

 

Silver Alaris 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 9.4kg 654071496D 8Z8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-alaris-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496D+8Z8

 

Black Metallic Alaris 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 9.4kg 654071496A FL8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-alaris-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496A+FL8

 

Silver Orion 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 9.4kg 654071496E 8Z8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-orion-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496E+8Z8

 

Black metallic Hoedus Aero 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 654071496F FL8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-hoedus-aero-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496F+FL8

 

Here are the four 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rims shown in the "Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue". These are approved by Skoda for use with 195/60R16 and snow chains when fitted to the Scala. In the UK (car insurance permitting), you could probably also use these ET35 offset rims with 205/55R16, but that tyre size is not approved by Skoda for use with the ET35 offset. However, to be sure what wheel specifications Skoda has approved for your car it's always worth checking your car's CoC (Certificate of Conformity) because all Skoda approved wheel specifications for your car are listed in that document.

 

Silver Nanuq 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 9.4kg 654071496B 8Z8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-nanuq-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496B+8Z8

 

Black Nanuq 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 9.4kg 654071496C FL8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-nanuq-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496C+FL8

 

Silver Italia 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 8.6kg 654071496L 8Z8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-italia-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496L+8Z8

 

Black Italia 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 8.6kg 654071496M FL8

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-italia-16-scala-kamiq/p/654071496M+FL8

 

There are also two steel rims available for the Scala. The 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim is approved by Skoda for 205/55R16, and the 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 steel rim is approved by Skoda for 195/60R16 and snow chains. As you will notice by the 7.3kg and 7.43kg weights of these two steel rims, they weigh quite a bit less than the similar sized alloy rims that Skoda sell for the Scala.

 

Notice that the Scala uses an ET40 offset for its steel rim, instead of the ET38 offset that it uses for its alloy rims. However, the Scala uses the same ET35 offset for both its steel rim and its alloy rims.

 

Black 6Jx16 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim 7.3kg 2Q0601027AA 03C

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/plechovy-disk-16-/p/2Q0601027AA03C

 

Black 6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 steel rim 7.43kg 2Q0601027H 03C

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/plechovy-disk-16-/p/2Q0601027H+03C

 

Edited 26 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

Personally I would go for 15" wheels (and steel at that) and good quality 15" tyres.

 

In Carlston's example above the Uniroyal RainExpert 5 205/60R15 91V have nominally 8% more sidewall than the Uniroyal RainSport 5 205/55R16 91V and of course both have more sidewall than the, to me silly, 17" and 18" tyres.

A 205/55R16 already has about 9/10% more than a 205/50R17 - and a massive about 22% more than a 205/45R18.

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

Personally I would go for 15" wheels (and steel at that) and good quality 15" tyres.

 

In Carlston's example above the Uniroyal RainExpert 5 205/60R15 91V have nominally 8% more sidewall than the Uniroyal RainSport 5 205/55R16 91V and of course both have more sidewall than the, to me silly, 17" and 18" tyres.

A 205/55R16 already has about 9/10% more than a 205/50R17 - and a massive about 22% more than a 205/45R18.

 

Here's a couple of 15" steel rim options for the Scala. Neither are Skoda approved. 

 

Alcar 7760 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel rim (from Fabia MK3 and Rapid)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=799668759568299108&rimCode=ALCAR7760

 

Skoda wheel trims for 6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel rims (from Fabia MK3 and Rapid)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/en_CZ/full-wheel-covers/c/fullWheelCovers?q=%3ApriceAsc%3AcarType%3AFabia%2BIII%2B%282014%2B%29%3AcarType%3ARapid%2B%282012-2020%29%3ArimDiameter%3A15&text=#

 

Another option could be the 5.5Jx15 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rims from the Fabia MK4, as shown below. 5.5J is quite a narrow rim for the 205/60R15 tyre size, but the Karoq 4x4 lists a 225/60R16 fitted to a 6J rim which is a similar fit. The car would ride more like a Rolls Royce than a Ferrari on such relatively narrow rims.

 

Alcar 4055 5.5Jx15 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim (from Fabia MK4)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1360399348768339044&rimCode=ALCAR4055

 

Skoda wheel trim for 5.5Jx15 ET40 5/100 57.1 steel rim (from Fabia MK4)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/en_CZ/hub-covers-calisto-15/p/6VA071455

 

As you can see in the ETRTO chart below, a 205/60 can be fitted to a rim width between 5.5" and 7.5", with a 6" rim width being considered the standard rim width for this tyre size...hence highlighted in bold. When determining the range of rim widths that a tyre can be fitted to it's not necessary to consider the rim diameter, just the tyre's "nominal" width and aspect ratio.

 

ETRTO approved rim widths for passenger car tyres

195/65 5.5-6.0-7.0
195/60 5.5-6.0-7.0
205/60 5.5-6.0-7.5

205/55 5.5-6.5-7.5
205/50 5.5-6.5-7.5
205/45 6.5-7.0-7.5
 

Edited 26 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

You could buy the wheel trims or just run with black wheels, a very serviceable colour, or if you want paint them another colour, dayglo red, orange, green or pink if you want.

 

Only last week I had a neighbour ask if I'd look at his front wheel as he'd kerb'd it (even I can look at things), as we approached the car it didn't look good from a distance.  As I got a bit closer I could see the wheel was steel with plastic trim cover so I said I'd take the trim cover off and take it home to see what could be done but once at the car wheel I could see it was a flexible type of trim cover held at the centre so I eased the cover bent edge from the inside of the wheel rim to outside  with my fingers, three seconds of "repair work".

 

But I did get my fingers cover in muck, that's just one of the things I don't like with farting about with cars, how very dirty many jobs are.

 

But my neighbour was happy, I told him he was lucky it was a steel wheel and not an alloy. On an old shopping-trolly get him to work car, it's not a VW brand so he's had next to no problems with it and those were very minor and inexpensive to sort (so very much not a VW brand).

 

Not a fan of steel wheels and wheel trims myself (for aesthetic reasons) But I am making enquiries on a set of black Alaris 16's, will see how that goes.

18 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

Not a fan of steel wheels and wheel trims myself (for aesthetic reasons)

 

Wheel trims can look attractive, as shown in the below photo.

 

Audi A2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A2#/media/File:Audi_A2_L_Silber.jpg

 

Edited 28 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

16 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

Not a fan of steel wheels and wheel trims myself (for aesthetic reasons)

That's fair enough, each to their own, personally I don't like plastic wheel trims or alloy wheel designs, it's your car and your money you put on what you like, personally I quite like the look of the wheels/trim in Carlston's photo (no idea of real life tho') and think I'd prefer them to many alloy designs but I like steel wheels with chrome "hubcaps" so I know I'm not anywhere near average in this.  I also don't like black painted alloys, but it's not my car or choice. 😄

 

When you're sorted your 16" black wheels bang up a photo, I'm sure the overwhelming majority will agree with you and I might be a convert (on your car).  All the best.  

@Mr Grump this is latest Skoda wheels brochure (even has Superb mk 4 and Kodiaq mk 2)

 

https://www.skoda-auto.com/_doc/6d5c59b3-5d97-451a-ab78-2ef185e6e373

 

There is also a winter wheels brochure (wheels plus winter tyres), useful for reference as these often have smaller rims and deeper tyres 

 

https://www.skoda-auto.com/_doc/c829936c-f0c1-48a3-bd99-55a507038e8c
 

In theory anything in the catalogues should be available for parts Dept of your dealership

 

 

Still awaiting a reply from Hortons, but obviously they will be closed until Tuesday now. I may phone the dealers nearby up if no reply on Tuesday. I am planning to put some all season tyres on the 16's.

One thing could try, is use the part number from the brochure I linked and google it to see if there are any online sellers

4 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

One thing could try, is use the part number from the brochure I linked and google it to see if there are any online sellers

 

Caffyns are listing the "Black Metallic Alaris 6Jx16 ET38 5/100 57.1 alloy rim 654071496A FL8" for £184.60 including VAT.  This is over 20% more than the Czech price shown on "skoda eshop cz".

 

Notice that this OEM part number has the format xxx071xxx which shows that it comes from the "Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue".

 

If the format is xxx061xxx it doesn't come from the accessory catalogue, and is likely to be more than twice the price.

 

Some alloy rims in the accessory catalogue are identical to the factory rims, except for the OEM part number cast into them. With others, it might only be that the colour is different. The black Alaris alloy rim isn't available as a factory alloy rim, but is exclusively available in the accessory catalogue. However, the silver Alaris is available as both a factory rim and from the accessory catalogue. For this reason, if you order a new Skoda, make sure the alloy rims that come with the car are also available from the accessory catalogue so that if you need a single replacement the price will likely be less than half the factory alloy rim price.

 

The reason that the Skoda alloy rims in the accessory catalogue are far more affordable than the factory rims is because Skoda is using their accessory catalogue to complete on price with the aftermarket alloy rim market.

 

Edited 30 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

Yep plus vat and adding £16 for courier "handling fees" they would come in at around £750 from Skoda Eshop CZ, depending on exchange rates. But it looks like you have to pick them up from CZ ... no delivery option.

Caffyns come in at £814 (inc £75.75 delivery).

Some MSW (OZ ? so presume are good quality) wheels come in at £650 at a couple of UK sellers (free delivery), or much less at Demon Tweaks - £513 delivered. 

All of these would require tyres  bought separately, the one place I could get a package with the tyres I want doesn't list the Scala in is fitment selection. 

 

14 hours ago, Mr Grump said:

Yep plus vat and adding £16 for courier "handling fees" they would come in at around £750 from Skoda Eshop CZ, depending on exchange rates. But it looks like you have to pick them up from CZ ... no delivery option.

Caffyns come in at £814 (inc £75.75 delivery).

Some MSW (OZ ? so presume are good quality) wheels come in at £650 at a couple of UK sellers (free delivery), or much less at Demon Tweaks - £513 delivered. 

All of these would require tyres  bought separately, the one place I could get a package with the tyres I want doesn't list the Scala in is fitment selection. 

 

 

VAT@21% (so 1% more than the UK VAT rate) is already included in the Czech price. However, I'm not suggesting anyone should purchase from Czech...I'm simply using their website to compare prices and to find out the specification and view photos, etc.

 

I expect a UK VAG parts department could supply the rims cheaper than Caffyns once shipping is taken into account.

 

About a year or two ago, there were some new 6.5Jx17 ET40 5/100 57.1 Scala alloy rims from the Skoda alloy rim accessory catalogue listed on ebay for about £100 each...so the circa £200 rims look quite pricey in comparison. However, those £100 rims were particularly good value, and only available in silver not black. Not that you would want 17" rims if you were looking for maximum comfort, because the 6Jx16 rims with the 205/55R16 tyre size would be noticeably more comfortable than the 6.5Jx17 rims with the 205/50R17 tyre size. Also, 205/55R16 is generally a much cheaper tyre size than 205/50R17.

 

Edited 30 March, 20242 yr by Carlston

Well finally I have ordered the wheels for the Scala !

We have plumped for Alaris 16" in black metallic (I think they would look nicer than silver on a Monte Carlo). Not a bad price, £667 for 4.

It is just a case of how long I have to wait now, they are a special order as they are already on back order !

I was told 2-3 working weeks, so fingers crossed. Once they are here I'll get the tyres ordered.

I was expecting a long wait, but I got a call today and have just collected them 7 days from ordering as a special order !

Ok Tyres bought and booked for fitting. The tyre fitting Garage with best ratings nearby was a bit busy, so no fitting for  a couple of weeks.

But 4x Michelin Cross Climate 2 in 205/55/16 V rated fited + balanced ( I am not sure about valves, being new wheels. But if I have to pay extra I don't mind) ,comes to a not bad  (IMO) £354.32 😁

Valves normally would be included as they'd be replaced if they were old tyres on existing wheels.

 

Yep, just phoned the Garage to confirm, and that is the case 🙂

 

I now have a couple of weeks to apply a ceramic coating to the wheels 🤓

For those not aware, Skoda have a brochure of all the wheels, with pictures, the tyre sizes, and the parts code

 

https://www.skoda-auto.com/_doc/6d5c59b3-5d97-451a-ab78-2ef185e6e373
 

There is also a complete (with tyres) winter wheels brochure

https://www.skoda-auto.com/_doc/c829936c-f0c1-48a3-bd99-55a507038e8c