Hi 
I wonder If someone can please help me, I have read so many contradicting posts and really need help. 
I have a skoda kodiaq 2019
When I first got my car I didnt need my phone connected to my car for my traffic and other bits to work but now I dont seem to be able to get this info without it. 

I have both 

Infotainment Online sub

Care Connect - remote access sub. 
and have tried to get things working again when i click traffic it doesnt have any infomation and shows a line through TMC  if I connect to my phones data then it will work. 
I have read online people say you need to have the phone connected all the time but this wasnt the case when I first got the car and toured europe. all traffic seemed to work. 

I have tried everything from updating the gps with the latest 2024 update. which I did via sim as it says invalid licence when i tried doing it via the update button in the car. maybe this is the issue?? 
removed my account and reactivated it on the car and also a factory reset 
if someone can Help I would be extreamly greaful 


 

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by fodbrothers

 

so just to confirm this function should work without my mobile data?

Yes, but i have seen many reports of VW group users saying they have lost it?

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b576a40f0b64646935832/Traffic_and_Travel_Report_1_.pdf

 

My 2014 car still gets TMC updates but it's a Ford and has a DAB radio

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

I am trying to read through the 36 pages of the post you recommended but still looking for a resolution. am I wasting my time? 

On FM the signal was transmitted with classic FM,

 

Just had a dig around google and the only people who appear to  be losing TMC are VAG customers??

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=ca35beedbaf5db4b&q=Does+tmc+still+work+in+uk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiotsjan-CGAxXNU0EAHUYKCfcQ1QJ6BAg4EAE&biw=1920&bih=947&dpr=1#ip=1

just annoying that I will need to use my data just to allow my gps to avoid traffic seems odd. 
when i go out of uk but maybe it will work when i leave UK. ill let this forum know. 

Can you get classic FM on fm?

50 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

the only people who appear to  be losing TMC are VAG customers??

 

Not true... anyone who used the Trafficmaster service. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel

 

United Kingdom

The INRIX^[67] provides a commercial TMC service, iTMC in the United Kingdom. It is broadcast nationally on Classic FM and other commercial radio stations. The BBC Charter prohibits it from carrying a commercial service. ITIS provides traffic data on RDS-TMC to major automotive companies (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Ford, Renault, Jaguar Land Rover and others). The price of the service is included in the price of the car or navigation system.

This system uses Floating Vehicle Data, which include positional information from over 160,000 fleet vehicles fitted. The data is complemented by journalistic or "Incident" data provided by Trafficlink. Trafficlink is owned by ITIS and provides traffic and travel bulletins to BBC Radio and to over 95% of the UK commercial radio stations. Incident data includes road works, accidents and closures.

Trafficmaster, a Teletrac Navman brand, operated a national service using local and regional radio broadcaster Global Radio which provided reception across mainland Britain. This system used road-side infrastructure to measure vehicle travel time between sensors placed a few miles apart, and used number plate recognition technology. Data sources used by Teletrac Navman included Floating Vehicle data from fitted telematics devices, 8500 under-road inductance loops, over 1800 CCTV cameras, Congestion Zone charging cameras, Police control rooms plus a proprietary network of ANPR and IR sensors cameras across the road network. Teletrac Navman provided traffic data on RDS-TMC to major automotive OEM brands including VW, Audi, Skoda, Mazda, Chrysler, Honda, Seat and Vauxhall. Teletrac Navman also supplies the Department for Transport with historical traffic data for modelling purposes which is used by central and local governments and their sub-contractors when analyzing road network improvement opportunities. The Trafficmaster service via RDS-TMC was withdrawin at the end of March 2023.

For what it's worth, it may be possible to use VCDS to change the system to use the INRIX system. See this thread:

 

https://www.ttforum.co.uk/threads/fixed-rds-tmc-no-longer-working-in-uk.2032197/

 

Edit: and in case anyone is interested... some background reading on the switchover to DAB and impact on TMC etc.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b576a40f0b64646935832/Traffic_and_Travel_Report_1_.pdf

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Yogi-Bear

5 minutes ago, Yogi-Bear said:

 

Not true... anyone who used the Trafficmaster service. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel

 

 

United Kingdom

The INRIX^[67] provides a commercial TMC service, iTMC in the United Kingdom. It is broadcast nationally on Classic FM and other commercial radio stations. The BBC Charter prohibits it from carrying a commercial service. ITIS provides traffic data on RDS-TMC to major automotive companies (BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Ford, Renault, Jaguar Land Rover and others). The price of the service is included in the price of the car or navigation system.

This system uses Floating Vehicle Data, which include positional information from over 160,000 fleet vehicles fitted. The data is complemented by journalistic or "Incident" data provided by Trafficlink. Trafficlink is owned by ITIS and provides traffic and travel bulletins to BBC Radio and to over 95% of the UK commercial radio stations. Incident data includes road works, accidents and closures.

Trafficmaster, a Teletrac Navman brand, operated a national service using local and regional radio broadcaster Global Radio which provided reception across mainland Britain. This system used road-side infrastructure to measure vehicle travel time between sensors placed a few miles apart, and used number plate recognition technology. Data sources used by Teletrac Navman included Floating Vehicle data from fitted telematics devices, 8500 under-road inductance loops, over 1800 CCTV cameras, Congestion Zone charging cameras, Police control rooms plus a proprietary network of ANPR and IR sensors cameras across the road network. Teletrac Navman provided traffic data on RDS-TMC to major automotive OEM brands including VW, Audi, Skoda, Mazda, Chrysler, Honda, Seat and Vauxhall. Teletrac Navman also supplies the Department for Transport with historical traffic data for modelling purposes which is used by central and local governments and their sub-contractors when analyzing road network improvement opportunities. The Trafficmaster service via RDS-TMC was withdrawin at the end of March 2023.

 

You take my words out of context.

 

"Just had a dig around google and the only people who appear to  be losing TMC are VAG customers??"

 

 

1 minute ago, Stonekeeper said:

You take my words out of context.

 

I wasn't taking anything out of context. I was simply clarifying that it isn't just VAG customers and providing more information explaining the cause of all this. If I insulted you in any way, then I'm awfully sorry.

32 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Can you get classic FM on fm?

Yes why? 

4 minutes ago, Yogi-Bear said:

 

I wasn't taking anything out of context. I was simply clarifying that it isn't just VAG customers and providing more information explaining the cause of all this. If I insulted you in any way, then I'm awfully sorry.

 

I appreciate that and thank you, was not offended it's just that this forum has a few pedants and some reading your post would pick up on the statement unqualified.

 

Trafficmaster was regional there is a new supplier, INRIX ,of the TMC data now and it is available if the system can receive classic fm but requires a one time licence fee paid by the manufacturer of the vehicles to fund it.

 

It appears to have disappeared from VAGs due to licensing?

 

Do VAG cars still have TA options where the radio switches to local radio traffic reports? (seperate to tmc)

 

 

6 minutes ago, fodbrothers said:

Yes why? 

 

I was going to suggest tuning the radio to it then trying again.

 

But i think it will be pointless New Volkswagen group with latest maps have lost TMC.

 

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

Trafficmaster was regional there is a new supplier, INRIX ,of the TMC data now and it is available if the system can receive classic fm but requires a one time licence fee paid by the manufacturer of the vehicles to fund it.

 

It appears to have disappeared from VAGs due to licensing?

 

INRIX isn't new. There were always (afaik) two systems, until Trafficmaster shut theirs down. Which one was used is/was down to the manufacturer. VAG have never used INRIX. TMC has disappeared from VAG cars because they used Trafficmaster, and the service doesn’t exist anymore - it’s got absolutely nothing to do with licensing, cars are set up to use one or the other.

 

VAG could move over to INRIX - see that link to the TT forum I posted, that suggests a simple coding change can be done (which I suppose means a software update could do the same, maybe). Whether or not new VAG cars now come with that change and use INRIX, I have no idea - but the fact that someone got it working in an old VAG car suggests either the license fee has been paid by VAG and new cars do use it… or there’s absolutely no technical enforcement to check if the receiver of the information is from a manufacturer who has paid up.

21 minutes ago, Yogi-Bear said:

 

INRIX isn't new. There were always (afaik) two systems, until Trafficmaster shut theirs down. Which one was used is/was down to the manufacturer. VAG have never used INRIX. TMC has disappeared from VAG cars because they used Trafficmaster, and the service doesn’t exist anymore - it’s got absolutely nothing to do with licensing, cars are set up to use one or the other.

 

VAG could move over to INRIX - see that link to the TT forum I posted, that suggests a simple coding change can be done (which I suppose means a software update could do the same, maybe). Whether or not new VAG cars now come with that change and use INRIX, I have no idea - but the fact that someone got it working in an old VAG car suggests either the license fee has been paid by VAG and new cars do use it… or there’s absolutely no technical enforcement to check if the receiver of the information is from a manufacturer who has paid up.

 

In the UK the system has always required a license

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

25 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

In the UK the system has always required a license

 

I'm not disputing that. But your assertion - or question - about it disappearing from VAG vehicles due to licensing is wrong (or if it was a question, the answer is no). It's got nothing to do with VAG not paying for the licensing anymore, or anything like that. The service simply ceased to exist, therefore any cars that used that service (i.e. all VAG cars to that point) no longer receive any information because it isn't being broadcast - not because they don't have a licence.

 

And just because a service requires a licence to use it legally doesn't mean it's technically impossible to receive that service without a licence. See also the TV licence and the ability to receive and watch broadcast TV without one.

I have a feeling we are both correct

 

The licence would be a coding to interpret the data.

 

The TMC messages appear in the satnav system. So it is possible that the licence for the data would be held by the map provider. The code for access would be held by the system, If the car was set up with a system using only one of the providers it would cease to function when the provider stopped.

 

I have also read on forums if they get an old map card (for an sd card system unit) the system starts working again. that suggests that newer cards had the code removed. Also that on downloadable update systems that the feature disappeared after an update of map. These also suggest the map provider paid?

 

The information is still broadcast on TMC on FM

 

 

 

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I have a feeling we are both correct

 

I don't.

 

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The TMC messages appear in the satnav system. So it is possible that the licence for the data would be held by the map provider.

 

Nope. The licences were paid for by the vehicle manufacturers. The document you posted about licensing even says that explicitly. It even states, in the very next sentence, how long the vehicle will continue to receive the service for...

 

 

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

If the car was set up with a system using only one of the providers it would cease to function when the provider stopped.

 

And this is precisely what has happened. (Edit: and cars are only set up with one or other of the systems/providers - not both. Manufacturers won't pay 2 x licence fees for the same thing just in case this happens!).

 

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I have also read on forums if they get an old map card (for an sd card system unit) the system starts working again. that suggests that newer cards had the code removed. Also that on downloadable update systems that the feature disappeared after an update of map. These also suggest the map provider paid?

 

Don't believe everything you read on forums 😉. How can it possibly start working again if the traffic information is no longer being broadcast?

 

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The information is still broadcast on TMC on FM

 

Yes, but cars are configured to listen for it on a certain channel. If it is no longer being broadcast on that channel, then the cars do not receive it.

 

This ties in with the TT forum post I linked to - changing the configuration to listen for TMC messages on the other channel (the one INRIX use) appears to fix the problem because the car is now receiving the data from INRIX. But nothing you do will enable a car to receive traffic on the channel that was used by Trafficmaster, because it's no longer being broadcast on that channel.

 

Having thought about it, I suspect that VAG (and the other impacted manufacturers) will just shrug their shoulders - if they were to provide a software update to change all existing cars over to INRIX, they'd have to pay the licence fee for each existing car. And I don't see them doing that...

 

However, as I said, just because the licence fee hasn't been paid for a particular car, doesn't necessarily mean that car cannot be configured to receive the messages...

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Yogi-Bear

the thing is when I use my phone to connect it comes up. so it gets the data that way doesnt one of these provide this 
 

Infotainment Online sub

Care Connect - remote access sub. 

The signal is broadcast along with Classic fm

 

Thread about how to get it back

 

 

21 minutes ago, fodbrothers said:

the thing is when I use my phone to connect it comes up. so it gets the data that way doesnt one of these provide this 
 

Infotainment Online sub

Care Connect - remote access sub. 

You can pair your phone and use your phones data to use waze or googlemaps in compatible vehicles.

 

The subscription for on-line services is why Vag are saying the service has been discontinued. (It hasn't but it will cost VAG to put it right)

They want customers to learn to accept paying for satnav.

 

Some manufacturers are even removing satnav as an option so you will pay for data services available in the new cars since the EU made them put a sim card in them.

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

27 minutes ago, fodbrothers said:

the thing is when I use my phone to connect it comes up. so it gets the data that way doesnt one of these provide this 
 

Infotainment Online sub

Care Connect - remote access sub. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper