Did have a search and not seen anything quite the same, but apologies if I'm duplicating.

 

I'm aware of the earlier issues with the 1.5 manuals, but ours is Mar 22 car, DSG, bought Aug 23 with 4K miles and now has 10K. It's my wife's car and not used much, often going a few days between uses.

 

We did have a lot of trouble with suspension noise, "fixed" eventually by greasing the front shocks piston, but during trying to find this I became aware that the car sometimes judders from rest - I did think it was some suspension issue (some VWs have subframes that come loose, for example) but now the suspension is sorted I was out in the car today and noticed that it still judders.  It's yet another of those annoyingly random things - if you start wheil thinking about the judder it won't do it, next start, and not thinking about it, it'll judder!

 

Anyone else have similar issues?   We did have a manual car in the family that would always have clutch judder first thing but was then fine and it was put down to condensation on the flywheel, which I thought unlikely as the clutch is pressed against it, but it never got any worse in 70K miles.

I have similar Rory.

 

My Karoq was made about the same month and year, and the DSG can judder occasionally. Usually starting from rest, first gear, especially on a slight incline. Perhaps a bit worse when starting from cold and/or car unused for a few days. If it judders i sometimes put the car in sport mode briefly, this seems to stop it happening. As you say, it is an occasional problem, that I never have when the engine is warmed up. Does this sound familiar?

My previous 2018 SE-L  Karoq did not have this problem. This was before a GPF was fitted, perhaps this made a difference to the set-up.

As it's a dry clutch the same as a manual if it's stood for a while the clutch plate can become damp.

 

A bit of judder the first few pull aways is not unkown.

Just now, logiclee said:

As it's a dry clutch the same as a manual if it's stood for a while the clutch plate can become damp.

 

A bit of judder the first few pull aways is not unkown.

 

I do agree. Except that this never once happened in my 2018 DSG Karoq and I had this car for almost 4 years. Perhaps it varies from car to car.

9 hours ago, OldKaroq said:

If it judders i sometimes put the car in sport mode briefly, this seems to stop it happening.

 

Interesting - other than trying it to see what happens, I've never used sport mode.   We live in a semi-rural area, couple of turns out of the village and then the car is doing at least a few miles to wherever we're going, so it doesn't do any frequent stop/start type driving that would enable me to pick up any repetition on this behaviour that would make me think to try sport.  Got to pick the grandchildren up later, so I'll try and remember to try it.

Another possibility on a little used car is there is some condensation in the fuel system.  Try filling it with E5 99ron super unleaded.

 

It will burn hotter and help evaporate any moisture (and is few percent better mpg than E10 95ron unleaded).  The 5% lower biofuel also helps as ethanol degrades over time which is helpful if low usage means only fill up every few weeks

Edited 17 September, 20241 yr by SurreyJohn

2 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

Another possibility on a little used car is there is some condensation in the fuel system.  Try filling it with E5 99ron super unleaded.

 

I put the Costco supa-dupa stuff in the car a while ago and it seemed to go mad!  Made it more likely to squeal its front tyres turning out of junctions and the throttle seemed altogether sharper.   It's taken a while but it's gone back to how it was now.

On 17/09/2024 at 08:46, logiclee said:

As it's a dry clutch the same as a manual if it's stood for a while the clutch plate can become damp.

 

A bit of judder the first few pull aways is not unkown.

 

I experience exactly the same thing with my DQ200 Yeti

On 17/09/2024 at 09:34, Rory said:

 

Interesting - other than trying it to see what happens, I've never used sport mode.   We live in a semi-rural area, couple of turns out of the village and then the car is doing at least a few miles to wherever we're going, so it doesn't do any frequent stop/start type driving that would enable me to pick up any repetition on this behaviour that would make me think to try sport.  Got to pick the grandchildren up later, so I'll try and remember to try it.

 

Backed it off the drive yesterday (car last used 24hrs before) and no judder,  Started forwards in drive ( I thought I had tapped the selector to select sport but once moving saw the dash said D) and it noticeably juddered.  Put it in sport but the only other standing start was joining the bypass road out of the village which is slightly uphill and needs to be done reasonably firmly due to approaching traffic.  It was fine, no judder.

I had judder in first gear on a new Fabia DSG with dry clutch a few years ago.  The dealer dismissed it initially as 'they all do that' but I persevered and took it back whilst it was still under warranty.  The afrersales manager drove the car with me in the passenger seat and agreed it wasn't right.  He said it was either the clutch pack or the mechatronics unit.  They replaced the clutch pack under warranty which fixed the problem.

 

If it were me, I would take the car back to your main dealer and get them to drive it themselves with you in it whilst you still have warranty.

2 hours ago, nbramwel said:

I had judder in first gear on a new Fabia DSG with dry clutch a few years ago.  The dealer dismissed it initially as 'they all do that' but I persevered and took it back whilst it was still under warranty.  The afrersales manager drove the car with me in the passenger seat and agreed it wasn't right.  He said it was either the clutch pack or the mechatronics unit.  They replaced the clutch pack under warranty which fixed the problem.

 

If it were me, I would take the car back to your main dealer and get them to drive it themselves with you in it whilst you still have warranty.

 

 

It very much depends how often you get it.  If it's the first couple of pull aways after it's been stood a few days then I wouldn't be worried.  

 

If it's every time you get in the car and more than the first couple of pull aways I'd be reporting the issue.

 

On 16/09/2024 at 15:56, Rory said:

Did have a search and not seen anything quite the same, but apologies if I'm duplicating.

 

I'm aware of the earlier issues with the 1.5 manuals, but ours is Mar 22 car, DSG, bought Aug 23 with 4K miles and now has 10K. It's my wife's car and not used much, often going a few days between uses.

 

We did have a lot of trouble with suspension noise, "fixed" eventually by greasing the front shocks piston, but during trying to find this I became aware that the car sometimes judders from rest - I did think it was some suspension issue (some VWs have subframes that come loose, for example) but now the suspension is sorted I was out in the car today and noticed that it still judders.  It's yet another of those annoyingly random things - if you start wheil thinking about the judder it won't do it, next start, and not thinking about it, it'll judder!

 

Anyone else have similar issues?   We did have a manual car in the family that would always have clutch judder first thing but was then fine and it was put down to condensation on the flywheel, which I thought unlikely as the clutch is pressed against it, but it never got any worse in 70K miles.

I had thought I'd made an error going for a manual Karoq (odd gearing, less than tractable engine, ease of stalling), but reading this, and other various other threads regarding DSG reliability, I do wonder. 

 

I went for the 5 year warranty when ordering the car, but suspect I would be told 'they all do that' when raising issues with intermittent judder when setting off. 

 

Much like ongoing issues with front suspension noise (which reccured following all attempts at rectification) I suspect even a fleeting judder would drive me mad!

 

The last car I had with judder of any kind when setting off was a 1.6 Vauxhall Zafira 20 years ago. At the time I was told it related to dampness and 'they all do it'. Beyond a Cascada (Opel) that was the last Vauxhall product I ever owned. 

 

Neither the 6 speed ZF in my current 21 year old car, or the 7 speed version in a recently sold 18 year old car were any other than silky smooth and predictable at all times - progress? 

Been out on the car again today - rare that it's used three consecutive days - and it was absolutely fine. 

 

Heavy dew here this morning and we were out pretty early, so if it was due to condensation on the clutches etc then I'd have expected a problem this morning.

 

I do think there's generally a bit of "edgy-ness" about the DQ200 that there wasn't in our 4Motion Tiguan, with it's DQ500.   But then the Tiguan had what felt like significant backlash in the drive train and Karoq doesn't do that at all.

 

I do think these SUVs would be all the better for torque converter autos - the fluid link would make them altogether smoother.   Apparently VW was thinking of switching but the project got canned as the EV deadlines came along rendering long-term ICE related development work pointless.

The wet clutch DQ250 in my 108000 mile TDI Touran was also silky smooth after 10 years too. I think the DSG suits diesels with their low down torque better than petrols especially when pulling away. Having had experience of both wet and dry versions I prefer the wet purely from the way it pulls away because the wet can slip the clutch, like a human would do, whereas the dry cannot as it would overheat. 
@rory I would agree about the edginess when pulling away. Your Tiguan had a wet version.

Edited 19 September, 20241 yr by thamestrader

38 minutes ago, thamestrader said:

The wet clutch DQ250 in my 108000 mile TDI Touran was also silky smooth after 10 years too. I think the DSG suits diesels with their low down torque better than petrols especially when pulling away. Having had experience of both wet and dry versions I prefer the wet purely from the way it pulls away because the wet can slip the clutch, like a human would do, whereas the dry cannot as it would overheat. 
@rory I would agree about the edginess when pulling away. Your Tiguan had a wet version.

 

 

I'm well into double figures now for DSG ownership. DQ250 is by far the best box from a driveability and reliability point of view but the draggy hydraulic system and only 6 ratios meant it's not the most efficient  hence why it's been replaced. 

My old Passat 2.0TDi I gave my Father in Law when it was 4 years old. It's now 14 years old and done 160k miles and the gearbox still drives like new. 

Edited 19 September, 20241 yr by logiclee