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I feel the gearbox is a bit notchy in 1st and 2nd gear, especially when shifting from 1st to 2nd. Is it like this for others as well? 1.0 tsi

I assume you mean manual, if so the shift mechanism might need adjusting.

  • 5 weeks later...

It's the same on my Scala 1.0, 81kw, 2021

I got used to it.. Currently i have 61250 km on the clock

Provided it is a gear rather than clutch issue then on the manual gearbox as put checking and as required adjusting the gear shift cables may be a good first step to try, then (shock, horror for some) changing the gearbox oil and to a better oil than VW use can help and make a noticeable difference, particularly in colder weather and/or when the engine and car hasn't fully warmed up (this can be the whole of some very short journeys that some owners make).

Doing the cable adjustment and/or oil change may help a bit with any clutch issue but of course it won't resolve the clutch issue, poor quality clutches in a Fabia 1.0 TSI is a subject I've just posted to.

I am no expert, but I heard that jerky shifting is because of the turbo lag. 81KW 1.0 tsi with 6-speed manual is only affected..

1 hour ago, Dax83 said:

I am no expert, but I heard that jerky shifting is because of the turbo lag. 81KW 1.0 tsi with 6-speed manual is only affected..

I'd consider turbo lag to be non-existent in both the 1.0 and 1.4TSIs

17 hours ago, Dax83 said:

I am no expert, but I heard that jerky shifting is because of the turbo lag. 81KW 1.0 tsi with 6-speed manual is only affected..

I am certainly no expert, in anything, but I would have thought any(?) turbo lag would be to do with the computer systems or programing more than or as much anything mechanical and at least if the driver is following the poor quality dashboard gear selection advice then when going from 1st to 2nd would be at too lower revs to notice anything.

Some 1.0 litre, 3-cylinder owner/drivers have reported issues with jerkiness when pulling away in first or when in traffic or other times, some get used to it and adjust their driving if required, a few(?) have had faults in the car that could be sorted.

When, for a very limited time, I drove a SEAT with the VW 1.0, 3-cylnder, 110PS, turbo engine with 6-speed manual gearbox I didn't notice any issues with the engine (other than it being even rougher than the 4-cylinder 1.2, 90PS but that's VW engines in my experience) or the turbo or the 6-speed gearbox, the dashboard advised gear selection particularly in 'Eco' driving 'mode' did have the engine lugging more than usual and even more silly for ecumenical mpg driving let alone engine life than with the 1.2 TSI, 5-speed which doesn't have electronic driving 'Mode' selection - other than the driver's brain, which can also select the correct gear for more economical mpg driving and help the engine to be (a little bit) more longer lasting, given a bit of driving experience and thought whilst driving.

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So does that mean there isn’t really much experience with the second gear being harder and notchy when cold? Sometimes it even seems to grind a bit

Yeap lots of posts and some threads on this on and other model forums (possibly Scala forum too?) for the 1.0 (3-cylinder) but usually with older models than yours, often the with MPI engine (well Fabia Mk3 at least).

You don't say which type or code of gearbox you have so information can only be general but wouldn't a 2023 still be under warranty.

It could be a clutch or gearbox related issue or combination of both. On older (manual gearbox) cars you might look at the gear lever to box cables adjustment, swapping out the VW oil for better, different gear changing technique, more major changes.

In conclusion, have a search for information and advice on this for your type of gearbox either through site search over all models or Google which will probably return you to Briskoda - or if under warranty go back to Dealers before the weather warms.

HTH.

If the change into 2nd is notchy then it's almost certainly due to the fact that the shift needs an adjustment.

Is it better / worse if you double declutch?

Is it better / worse engine hot v engine cold?

Is there any noise when in 2nd gear specifically that's not there with the other gears?

Are you certain there are no associated engine symptoms? Maybe like the engine not responding to the throttle pedal correctly?

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Once the engine and gearbox warm up a bit, the symptoms go away. Sometimes there is a slight noise when shifting into second gear, but not always. What is constant is that even when selecting first gear, it feels slightly as if it catches or hangs up, and I have to push the gear lever through something.

This sounds more and more like a slight mis adjustment of the selector linkages.

Just to rule things out you can try:

Engaging gears with the car parked, engine off. Press clutch select a gear, release clutch. Is it more or less notchy going into any gear?

Engine on press clutch and engage a gear (e.g 2nd) keep clutch pressed down. Does the car start to engage the gear after a few seconds even with the clutch pressed down? If it does this indicated that the clutch cylinder seals need changing.

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“With the engine switched off, more or less; in third gear, roughly at the last point. I don’t experience that.

Third and fourth gear should be easiest to engage engine on or off. Once the engine and gearbox warm up the oil in the gearbox is warmer so that helps.

In my wife's 1.2 TSI 5-speed manual to me the engine and gearbox are a bit rough and very family car runabout standard which is fair enough when they are working as well as can be expected - and I'm used to BMC/BL cars of the 1960s and 70s cars (until 3 years ago) but I've also had Japanese cars so know better quality.

First easy thing to try is the cables, if it is this that's it sorted. There are loads of posts on this on this site for various models, this will give the principles, exact details may vary slightly with different models and engines and gearboxes (you've still not said which gearbox you have or number of forward gears). Have a search, if you can't find anything I can give you a link, to probably a Fabia Mk3.

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1.0 tsi 110 hp 6 speed manual

I don't know if the 6-speed has a lot of differences to the 5-speed in my wife's Fabia or just an extra gear thrown in. As I put previously I only have the very limited experience of a VW product 1.0 TSI, 110 with 6 speed manual and that probably had at lower mileage than yours, but possibly plenty of clutch and second gear use but I wouldn't know.

From all the answers I'm fairly sure the linkage needs adjusting.

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I will check it. In the meantime, I also read elsewhere that second gear is harder to engage in cold weather. Often it works better if I shift from first into neutral and then into second.

I mean that others have complained about this as well.

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If it works well for you carry on with it. You could also look up double clutching or double declutching as you had to do with old cars without synchromesh to first gear.

BUT you should not have to do this with a modern car particularly one that's only a couple of years old.

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I was at the authorized service center yesterday; they checked it. They said they are all like this and there’s nothing they can do about it. There was once a Kamiq brought in with the same issue; they took the gearbox apart but didn’t find anything. The importer didn’t reimburse them because they said they are all like this. On the 1.0 engine the gearbox is more notchy. They explained it by saying that the gearbox was built with very tight tolerances.

I told them that after driving a Japanese car, this feels strange. They said, “yeah… well, this isn’t that kind of car — its gearbox will never be like a Japanese one.

Well at least you've reported the issue, if the box drops out you have some history.

Thanks for reporting back.

Obviously you have to be sure the problem is with the gearbox, or at least partly or contributory, and not elsewhere.

6 hours ago, thomaser07 said:

I told them that after driving a Japanese car, this feels strange. They said, “yeah… well, this isn’t that kind of car — its gearbox will never be like a Japanese one.

To be fair the short time we had a (SEAT) 1.0, 3-cylinder, 110 PS with 6-speed manual box it was fine but it was a hire car so low mileage but possibly a lot of gear use and not always careful treatment by the drivers.

To me the VW 4-cylinder engines sound a bit rough so removing a cylinder I can't see helping, the Japanese manufacturers are a lot more use to making small 3-cylinder engines. Also I don't find the 5-speed gearbox in my wife's car to be other than family car sufficient, a bit clonky and off-mesh sometimes for 1st and reverse. All the 3-cylinder Japanese engined gearboxes I've had have been very good including a 6-speed.

In my wife's 2015 Fabia 5-speed though there was no problem with the gear change I changed the gearbox oil (at 5.5 years, 31,000 miles / 50,000 km) from what VW use from factory to a better suitable oil and my wife said she noticed a general improvement, not much but noticeable. You don't list your location so I've no idea what warranty you might get but once out of warranty I would change the gearbox oil to a better oil. For many decades better gearbox oils have been produced for various gearboxes with different requirements or to make up for design and build compromises there have been for previous VWs I understand.

I've no idea how easy or awkward a change is on a 6-speed, on my wife's car it was more farting about than on all the others I've done but I expected that from a German marque.

I would expect a better more suitable quality oil to help, possibly cure, but not necessarily always fully eliminate the issue without taking care on that gear change.

Good luck.

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