Hi, I have just bought a 2023 Karoq auto but am disappointed to find the car does not creep to allow for slow movement parking.Yes I know, I should have checked during the test drive. Is there a setting I have missed? I have read we can cause damage to the clutches if we use the brake to "creep". Is that correct?

Also, my 12 year old Mercedes auto will hold the car on a hill, perhaps on a queue of traffic, by pressing the HOLD feature but the Karoq will need the Auto stop feature turned on. Is that feature reliable?

Seems twin clutch auto boxes need different treatment from simpler torque converter boxes. Still learning.

Thanks in advance

What you have is actually an automated manual gearbox - which, as you are finding, is very different to a TC transmission.

4 hours ago, Cqrmine said:

Hi, I have just bought a 2023 Karoq auto but am disappointed to find the car does not creep to allow for slow movement parking.Yes I know, I should have checked during the test drive. Is there a setting I have missed? I have read we can cause damage to the clutches if we use the brake to "creep". Is that correct?

Also, my 12 year old Mercedes auto will hold the car on a hill, perhaps on a queue of traffic, by pressing the HOLD feature but the Karoq will need the Auto stop feature turned on. Is that feature reliable?

Seems twin clutch auto boxes need different treatment from simpler torque converter boxes. Still learning.

Thanks in advance

my DSG used to move if you took your foot off the brake whilst in d or R for parking without a problem.

I have a feeling you have "Autohold" set on. which puts the the brakes on when you press the foot brake when stopped it then requires the accelerator to be pressed to move.

If you turn the auto hold off whilst maneuvering you may find it better.

Firstly which version if the DSG gearbox do you have? DQ200 dry clutch used with 1.0 TSI engine, 1.5 TSI 2wd and possibly the 2wd diesel Karoqs. DQ381 wet clutch used in all 4x4 Karoqs. Auto hold will have an affect as has been mentioned already. I have a wet clutch DSG 4x4 Karoq and a Fabia with the dry clutch DSG. So taking the wet clutch DSG first with auto hold on, gears ca. only be selected with the foot brake pressed, selecting D or R taking the right foot off the brake pedal and without touching the throttle the car should creep either forwards or back, if you are in a slope it might take fractionally longer before it moves. The wet clutch DSG can slip the clutch without overheating because the clutch plates are cooled by the gearbox oil. Sometimes a light tap on throttle is needed to release Auto hold. With auto hold on there is no need to either apply or release the parking brake manually it is released by tapping the throttle and applied automatically when the engine is switched off. The dry clutch DSG operates in the same way but I find it’s a little slower to start creeping. There are a few situations when auto hold has to be turned off and sometimes left foot braking is needed to make progress- I don’t recommend left foot braking. In the 13 years I’ve been driving DSG cars there most awkward situations were trying to creep out into traffic with severe limited view to the right, a car appears to press the brake pedal and then that car stops to let you out and either hill hold if auto hold has to be released before you can move. Reversing up hill is another that can be awkward if you need throttle to overcome the slope. I find with both the Fabia dry clutch and Karoq wet clutch I can use creep without throttle 99% of the time and use the foot brake to control speed. The trick is to use very light foot brake pressure.

If you are still finding it difficult then if could be the DSG clutch biting points need to be “relearnt”. I had this done on the Fabia by an independent DSG specialist. Before it was done the Fabia wouldn’t creep without throttle but thd clutches kept engaging and disengaging unpredictably - took 15 minutes cost £160 and absolutely transformed the car. Hope this helps.

Many thanks for taking the trouble to respond, folks. Very much appreciated.

I now realise what seems to be happening as I did have the autohold activated.

Best wishes

3 hours ago, Cqrmine said:

Many thanks for taking the trouble to respond, folks. Very much appreciated.

I now realise what seems to be happening as I did have the autohold activated.

Best wishes

I always have this activated, as all you have to do to release it is to blip the accelerator. The car will then ease forward (or backward) for you.

7 minutes ago, CJJE said:

I always have this activated, as all you have to do to release it is to blip the accelerator. The car will then ease forward (or backward) for you.

It does, but with auto hold off in a dsg you can make your final maneuvers by just pushing the brake pedal and changing from D to R to slowly get in the space, no need to blip anything and risk moving too quickly. In some cars the press on the accelerator to release is too much.

Left foot braking is disengaging drive. Well not for me as i have only a left foot so it works the accelerator or brake pedal but not both at once and for 17 years of driving DSG,s using one foot and D, S or R i have never had issues parking or have a vehicle creep.

I tried the above advice yesterday and of course it was spot on. Turned off auto hold, there was a slight delay then the car crept forward. Previously I had reversed out of my drive rather too suddenly with the auto hold on; I presume I will need to leave autohold off until l am in the road.

Thanks again to all for the valuable advice.

Further to my previous reply, which was written from how I thought I was doing things, this morning I made a note of exactly what I was doing when maneuvering using creep.

I have Auto Hold on all the time, I don't switch off to creep. The key to smooth creeping seems to be a delicate presses of throttle OR brake pedals. To shunt back and forth, a light touch on the brake and the gear selector can be moved from D to R OR R to D just before coming to a complete halt - possibly its learning the 'timing' - the auto hold only engages when the car is stationary and you still have pressure on the brake pedal. To creep up carefully and very close to a fixed object like a wall or parked car I was controlling the speed with a very light pressure on the brake pedal. Note that the Emergency braking is feature which uses the parking sensors and front radar is disabled if the brake pedal is being pressed. I experimented with empty cardboard boxes some time ago- my car would always stop before the boxes when creeping without brake pedal pressure, but would hit the boxes if I was lightly pressing the brake pedal. As an aside brake pedal pressure can also be used to prevent Stop/Start from switching the engine off, just reduce the brake pedal pressure slightly just as the car stops, I have stop/start switched on but it hardly ever stops the engine, my right foot has somehow' learnt' to reduce the pedal pressure.

35 minutes ago, thamestrader said:

Further to my previous reply, which was written from how I thought I was doing things, this morning I made a note of exactly what I was doing when maneuvering using creep.

I have Auto Hold on all the time, I don't switch off to creep. The key to smooth creeping seems to be a delicate presses of throttle OR brake pedals. To shunt back and forth, a light touch on the brake and the gear selector can be moved from D to R OR R to D just before coming to a complete halt - possibly its learning the 'timing' - the auto hold only engages when the car is stationary and you still have pressure on the brake pedal. To creep up carefully and very close to a fixed object like a wall or parked car I was controlling the speed with a very light pressure on the brake pedal. Note that the Emergency braking is feature which uses the parking sensors and front radar is disabled if the brake pedal is being pressed. I experimented with empty cardboard boxes some time ago- my car would always stop before the boxes when creeping without brake pedal pressure, but would hit the boxes if I was lightly pressing the brake pedal. As an aside brake pedal pressure can also be used to prevent Stop/Start from switching the engine off, just reduce the brake pedal pressure slightly just as the car stops, I have stop/start switched on but it hardly ever stops the engine, my right foot has somehow' learnt' to reduce the pedal pressure.

Sounds like it's an art learnt over time. I think the problem might be that because we are relying on sensors on the pedals the reliability is governed by them maintaining their accuracy.

The thing i noticed is the delay or latency in the detection. With autohold on when you release the brake and touch the accelerator pedal if it doesn't move the temptation is to press harder which if it then kicks in can have negative consequences. Once you learn the latency it's safer.

@Stonekeeper yes it’s the delay and also the sensitivity of the throttle pedal sensor. I ve read on posts previously that this sensitivity can be adjusted via VAGCOM. We’ve owned 3 different versions of the DSG gearbox: 6 speed DQ250 wet clutch with 2.0 TDI, 7 speed DQ200 dry clutch 1.2 TSI 110 bhp (Fabia) and 7 speed DQ381 2.0 TSI (Karoq). Combination of 6 speed and 2.0 TDI had no perceptible creep delay probably due to diesel low down torque, most noticeable delay is with the Fabia - it’s a smaller engine and it’s a 2015 so DSG and engine software have no doubt been improved since. The 2.0 TSI Karoq, once I mastered the technique, is as good as the 6 speed.

Again, thanks for taking the trouble to help. Much appreciated..

5 hours ago, Cqrmine said:

I tried the above advice yesterday and of course it was spot on. Turned off auto hold, there was a slight delay then the car crept forward. Previously I had reversed out of my drive rather too suddenly with the auto hold on; I presume I will need to leave autohold off until l am in the road.

Thanks again to all for the valuable advice.

Glad we have been able to help. I tend to only turn auto hold off for such things as parking and switch it on for Driving.

I did this with both my previous dsg cars

With my car now being an ev i find it more important because it ties in with the emergency braking function when it thinks you are approaching something too fast. if you can creep properly it doesn't activate.