All the reviews which I have read about this engine (PD 170) point to it being ridiculously 'peaky' and a real handful to drive. In the wet, apparently it was described by one reviewer as 'bordering on dangerous!' Is it really the sort of engine we need in an Octavia - I merely ask the question!

YES

It didnt stop the early Porche cars selling, just that people were advised " BEWARE IT BITES IF NOT TREATED WITH RESEPCT "

Having said that, the Golf GT was fine, and the Octy is expected to be bigger & heavier.

Farmers in Leicester have a Racing Blue 2.0TDI vRS on order aswell

Darren

I'd have the diesel because I don't like the way petrols drive. Turbos help but lazy and low-down is the way I like it

The 2.0 T drives very like a diesel, lazy and low down PLUS tonnes at the top as well:D

The 2.0 T drives very like a diesel, lazy and low down PLUS tonnes at the top as well:D

That's one of the things that surprised me and convinced me to go back to petrol again.

Sherlodge have one arriving soon.

But if you drive it at all enthusiastically you'll be on the wrong side of 30mpg.

The diesel one should still be on the smiley side of 40 ' date=' and when driven gently on a motorway or A roads will get 50.

If you do a lot of mileage thats still a significant saving[/quote']

I agree with the Lobster

I agree with the Lobster

Thank you , kind sir!

I agree with the Lobster

Me too, took the vRS petrol demo out and drove normally, trip computer showed between 29-32mpg average. My 2.0 TDI gets more than that while towing the caravan

Darren

OK...let's not get this out of proportion. Based on the petrol doing 32 and the diesel doing 42 mpg and taking into account the £900 higher price for the diesel I have worked out that the break even point for the diesel comes at 29300 miles. (based on unleaded at 97p (super) and diesel at 99p/litre).

So that's nearly 3 years of driving for the average motorist just to break even, only after that will any benefit come. And during those 3 years they have a slower/noisier car.

So for high mileage/company drivers I see the point BUT how the average private motorist could desire this car over the petrol is beyond me, sorry but I just don't get it.

Dan

I presume the silence means all you diesel lovers agree with me then!

I presume the silence means all you diesel lovers agree with me then!

Nope, everybody is entitled to their own opinion though

Darren

Everyone is...even if they are wrong;)

Dan - Don't forget the diesel will be worth far more when it comes time to sell!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan - Don't forget the diesel will be worth far[/b'] more when it comes time to sell!!!!!!!!!!!

Dam....I wondered how long it would be for someone pointed that out!

Dam....I wondered how long it would be for someone pointed it that out!

Both are great cars I'm sure, personally my car gets used as a tow car aswell as general running around so I'd go for the TDI for that reason mainly

Darren

Dan - SORRY!!

Must admit until recently I wouldn't have had diesel but as I get closer to 30 the +'s outwiegh the -'s!!

If I was doing more 'energetic' driving i'd still have petrol but with a wife, child and dog this doesn't happen often enough to justify it:orb_upset :orb_upset !!

Dan - SORRY!!

Must admit until recently I wouldn't have had diesel but as I get closer to 30 the +'s outwiegh the -'s!!

If I was doing more 'energetic' driving i'd still have petrol but with a wife' date=' child and dog this doesn't happen often enough to justify it:orb_upset :orb_upset !![/quote']

Same here (well except I'm over 30 )

You need something small and racey tucked up in the garage for when you get some alone time

Darren

Me....I'm 35 with 3 small children, my wife has a Renault Scenic but all the kids say these days is "can we go in daddy's fast red car"

Seriously though I can't see what the +'s are for the average mileage (non towing) private motorist.

Dan

I'd say that diesels are certainly of most benefit to high mileage drivers. However even for the "average mileage (non towing) private motorist" diesels have their advantages.

- They do generally cost more to purchase in the first place, but you get much if not all of this back when you come to sell the car (compare the prices of used petrol/diesel Skodas and you'll see a big difference).

- Diesels engines are stronger and more reliable than petrol engines, and are likely to achieve higher mileagues.

- Diesel are much better for stop-start motoring.

- Diesel engines are much more efficient than petrol engines (if you compare a 2ltr petrol to a 2ltr diesel you're looking at a difference of around 15mpg).

- Diesels are better for the environment (a much discussed topic, but it's proven that as petrol engines wear they release some pretty nasty stuff)

- Many drivers (including myself) prefer the power delivery of diesels (ie. lots of power at low revs and effortless overtaking)

and that's just a few advantages!... One thing I would say is that at the moment diesels are not necessarily the answer if you're looking for a high performance car. However I think you'll find this will change in the future as new engines are developed.

OK...let's not get this out of proportion. Based on the petrol doing 32 and the diesel doing 42 mpg and taking into account the

I'd say that diesels are certainly of most benefit to high mileage drivers. However even for the "average mileage (non towing) private motorist" diesels have their advantages.

- They do generally cost more to purchase in the first place' date=' but you get much if not all of this back when you come to sell the car (compare the prices of used petrol/diesel Skodas and you'll see a big difference).

- Diesels engines are stronger and more reliable than petrol engines, and are likely to achieve higher mileagues.

- Diesel are much better for stop-start motoring.

- Diesel engines are much more efficient than petrol engines (if you compare a 2ltr petrol to a 2ltr diesel you're looking at a difference of around 15mpg).

- Diesels are better for the environment (a much discussed topic, but it's proven that as petrol engines wear they release some pretty nasty stuff)

- Many drivers (including myself) prefer the power delivery of diesels (ie. lots of power at low revs and effortless overtaking)

and that's just a few advantages!... One thing I would say is that at the moment diesels are not necessarily the answer if you're looking for a high performance car. However I think you'll find this will change in the future as new engines are developed.[/quote']

OK, I give in!

Just one point though, my last car was a 2.2 dci laguna with 150bhp and loads of torque so I understand all this low down power and effortless overtaking stuff, all I can say is that the petrol vRS is truly exceptional in this respect in that it really is effortless low down the revs but then (as you would change gear in a diesel) all hell breaks loose and the performance goes from being fast to:eek: .

Dan

I'd imagine for those mpg figures the petrol is being babied on a motorway and the diesel is being ragged. A remapped Fabia vrs kicks out around 170bhp or so and gets around 35mpg when being ragged, 47mpg for normal around town and over 50 on a motorway jaunt.

If the mpg differences is around 15 (most probably will be, may even be more) then going by 99.9p for diesel and 97.9p for petrol, over 12000 miles (average year) that works out a saving of

OK' date=' I give in!

Just one point though, my last car was a 2.2 dci laguna with 150bhp and loads of torque so I understand all this low down power and effortless overtaking stuff, all I can say is that the petrol vRS is truly exceptional in this respect in that it really is effortless low down the revs but then (as you would change gear in a diesel) all hell breaks loose and the performance goes from being fast to:eek: .

Dan[/quote']

I completely agree with what you say about the petrol VRS, the same applies to cars like the Civic TypeR. It is in these situations where diesel can't really compete. However wait 5 years and I wouldn't mind betting the performance of diesel engines will improve to a point where petrol engines no longer make any sense even in these situations (another reason why I have a diesel - the resale value of petrol cars is only going to get worse!)

I agree about resale values, my car is on a 3 year 30k/annum lease and the "guaranteed future minimum value" at 3 years and 90k is